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google will remove news previews rather than pay for them

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Google is changing the way it displays news stories produced by European publishers in France as new copyright rules go into effect.

Rather than paying publishers to display snippets of their news stories, the company will show only headlines from articles, Google's vice president of news Richard Gingras announced Wednesday. The company will only display previews and thumbnail images from news stories if publishers agree to provide them for free.

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This move will disappoint publishers who had hoped for additional revenue as a result of new copyright law that goes into effect in France in October. The country is the first to implement European Union copyright rules passed earlier this year.
When the European Parliament approved the changes, the expectation was that Google could be forced to pay publishers to use snippets of their content, a so-called "link tax." Proponents described the measures as empowering publishers to strike deals with companies like Google (GOOG) and Facebook (FB).
But Google says that it doesn't pay for news content as a matter of policy. The company shut down Google News in Spain after a law passed in 2014 would have mandated such payments.

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"We believe that Search should operate on the basis of relevance and quality, not commercial relationships," the company says on an FAQ page for European publishers. "That's why we don't accept payment from anyone to be included in organic search results and we don't pay for the links or preview content included in search results."
The company asserts that opting into previews will benefit European publishers, which it says receive 8 billion clicks through Google Search each month.

source: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/tech/google-france-copyright-news/index.html

 

Well this is just an absolutely idiotic move by news publishers and the EU parliament. They are basically asking google to pay the news publishers to advertise for them as the preview is there to help attract people to click on their article. Unsurprisingly google declines to do so and publishers who don't allow google to show previews are only hurting themselves and depriving themselves of people visiting their site. 

What EU parliament and news publishers where thinking:

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I understand Google's point of view, and it seems like a good one to have, but what a world we live in to think that a single company is so powerful in the distribution of news that you either bow to the way they'd prefer to serve viewers, or get no viewers at all.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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3 minutes ago, Suika said:

I understand Google's point of view, and it seems like a good one to have, but what a world we live in to think that a single company is so powerful in the distribution of news that you either bow to the way they'd prefer to serve viewers, or get no viewers at all.

you can replace google with any search engine and they probably wont be jumping to pay news publishers to advertise for them. like duckduckgo probably dont have enough money to do it even if they want to. and a law like this probably helps google maintain their monopoly more than anything if they decided to cave and pay

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34 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

you can replace google with any search engine and they probably wont be jumping to pay news publishers to advertise for them. like duckduckgo probably dont have enough money to do it even if they want to. and a law like this probably helps google maintain their monopoly more than anything if they decided to cave and pay

DDG does have an ad service similar to Google. I'm not sure how it works though

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I'm conflicted between my hatred of how Google manipulates search results to fit their political agenda, and my hatred of news sources that proclaim themselves as journalists, which should arguably a non-profit endeavor, that also report solely to fit their own political agenda (which stands in clear defiance of journalism as a moral endeavor.)

 

However, I am glad to see the two eating one another, since the majority of news sites have the same political agenda as the people who work at Google.

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With so many free news websites out there I don't think there is a point to read paid newspapers these days. 

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I vote they replace all removed content with photos of Linus, and video/audio with Linus moaning in pleasure.  

 

Be an interesting sponsorship deal.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

DDG does have an ad service similar to Google. I'm not sure how it works though

They take keywords from your search and deliver ads based on those.  They don't store these keywords or send any other information to the ad supplier.  For instance:

 

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32 minutes ago, williamcll said:

With so many free news websites out there I don't think there is a point to read paid newspapers these days. 

fun fact: newspapers these days actively try and get rid of online news sites by dismissing them and making up lies about them, unfortunately these isn't any law that disallows this (here in down under at least) and putting in one would just be a waste of time, plus they just print crap stories such as: see how much little jimmy the roo jumped today!

guess what: no one fucking cares!

online news sites don't do this, they just do some shit clickbait and remove other parts of the story to make it more intresting (e.g https://i.redd.it/mctjabqao3521.jpg )

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I vote they replace all removed content with photos of Linus, and video/audio with Linus moaning in pleasure.  

 

Be an interesting sponsorship deal.

probably would be possible with a DNS redirection to an image of linus from the server domain thats severing the news images.

but thats a theory it might be different as the app might get the image data from multiple servers or something stupid like that it's google after all!

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6 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

They are basically asking google to pay the news publishers to advertise for them as the preview is there to help attract people to click on their article.

A very significant amount of freelancer and businesses rather be paid with cash rather than exposure. It makes sense to want to be paid for your content rather than just promised exposure. The businesses should be given the choice to let google use their content for free or not.

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This move will disappoint publishers who had hoped for additional revenue as a result of new copyright law that goes into effect in France in October

Anyone who thought this was going to get people to pay them for their information was and is completely delusional and has no grasp on reality.  Everyone with a shred of understanding immediately saw when this was initially talked about years ago that the result of something like this would be an abandonment of companies behind such a paywall or "tax", and now we see that indeed that is what has happened.

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Now many people can learn the truth from other sources. Only the truth may not be the way those who order these articles want.

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5 hours ago, CircleTech said:

So what you're saying is the news in general is a joke and we shouldn't read it anyway.

 

Early this year I stopped reading the news altogether. If something is really important to me, chances are I will hear about it some other way than a bunch of websites shoving the same thing in my face in 20 different variations. 

Sort of?

 

The news is a joke, in so far as it's run largely by a cabal of like minded political zealots.

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5 hours ago, poochyena said:

A very significant amount of freelancer and businesses rather be paid with cash rather than exposure. It makes sense to want to be paid for your content rather than just promised exposure. The businesses should be given the choice to let google use their content for free or not.

And lies sell for a lot more than the truth. So? :(

 

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 It was expected tho.

 

 

Can someone make a gru meme out of this? 

 

 

France: "you should pay us for ads"

 

Google: *removes ads

 

France: *Revenue drops and page views drop

 

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"fair use" might not be the best description, but there is always a question over how much of someone else's work you can quote before you should just pay for it. Google was and is using using other's content in various ways to generate income. If the law is altered to require payments (or at least permission) for news snippet usage, it is still a choice to pay for that usage or not. If Google don't want to, that is their decision. 

 

BTW if I search for "weather" on google, I get the local weather at the top of the search results, but just below it is often newspaper "articles" with exaggerated clickbait headlines for what is just normal weather. These are online versions of UK national print papers, not a random nobody. Does producing that crap really generate revenue for them? That says more about society as a whole.

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The company shut down Google News in Spain after a law passed in 2014 would have mandated such payments.

 

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This move will disappoint publishers who had hoped for additional revenue as a result of new copyright law that goes into effect in France in October.

I mean, I know the French aren't exactly the smartest baguettes in the bakery, but when another country has done exactly the same thing and Google just completely pulled the News platform, how can publishers be disappointed they aren't getting additional revenue when there is already a precedent set for Google just leaving rather than paying up?!

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6 hours ago, poochyena said:

A very significant amount of freelancer and businesses rather be paid with cash rather than exposure. It makes sense to want to be paid for your content rather than just promised exposure. The businesses should be given the choice to let google use their content for free or not.

they get paid when people click on their site if google doesnt show the preview for their article less people clicks on their site so its not really paying them with exposure. its like if you list a product on amazon hoping people will come buy it but then you say amazon has to pay you money to display your pictures of the product and ofc amazon says no and less people buys your product

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9 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Anyone who thought this was going to get people to pay them for their information was and is completely delusional and has no grasp on reality.  Everyone with a shred of understanding immediately saw when this was initially talked about years ago that the result of something like this would be an abandonment of companies behind such a paywall or "tax", and now we see that indeed that is what has happened.

Then let them fail. They have the right to ask to be paid for their content.

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good thing i stopped reading news altogether 

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4 hours ago, comander said:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/06/08/google-rewards-reputable-reporting-not-left-wing-politics

https://realnumeracy.wordpress.com/2019/06/12/google-news-search-is-probably-not-biased/

 

Let's just say I have some familiarity with Google, Facebook, etc. The most vocal employees at those places definitely have a liberal slant (think "elitist" wing of the democratic party) and there's event a handful that are borderline militant about it. The people at the top, even if they hold similar views, appear to push for non-partisan outcomes as much as possible. If there's anything that they DO push for it's money. If half of the people like A and the other half likes B, those people WILL be targeted accordingly. 

If you have traditionalist or conservative views (or could be mistaken for having them) I would NOT write anything on an internal discussion group (or publicly visible forum with your real name attached) at Google or Facebook out of fear of having people brigade you. I would NOT worry about having well-written and thought out news articles censored though.

That kind of thing scares the crap out of me. I really dislike the idea of militant extremists (of any flavor) trying to control what the populace thinks. via underhanded means.

 

It's one thing if you approach me and outright try to convince me of your position, that's all well and good. But manipulating people my making sure opposing voices are never heard or seen, or preventing people from even being aware that they exist?

 

That's basically the first step in tyranny, in my book.

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2 minutes ago, comander said:

The algos are relatively unbiased. The distribution of news pieces doesn't skew one way or another when viewed in aggregate. On an individual basis though, it's probable that there's partisanship, which matches to an individual's habbits.

This isn't a band of extremists trying to change how the masses think. 

But yeah, there are extremists who will push for this: https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/4/18296113/google-ai-ethics-board-ends-controversy-kay-coles-james-heritage-foundation

I'm not suggesting a "conspiracy" or "cabal".

 

I'm suggesting Group Think. They don't need to communicate on what to do, because they all have the same end goal and will take little steps to do it.

 

I don't agree about the algorithms. I do believe they are biased, at least on Youtube. Crowder is being actively suppressed, to the point that if you search Prove Me Wrong, at least for some people, his videos are not in the top results. Other peoples reactions to his videos are.

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21 hours ago, williamcll said:

With so many free news websites out there I don't think there is a point to read paid newspapers these days. 

They're starting to put strict paywalls on most places that aren't yellow journalism. 

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Who said publishers where only hoping google would pay them?  As far as I have read, all they wanted was to either be payed for their content or not have their content used.  It seems the law has done exactly that, google are no longer making money from other peoples work and robbing the original news article of those visitors.

 

The question of googles search results and manipulation is another debate and problem in it's own right.

 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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