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Software Engineers Don't Know Hardware and Vice Versa

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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So I have been at two colleges so far after transferring and I'm a computer science major. I still don't understand how little a computer/electrical engineer knows about software and how little a software engineer knows about hardware. Even the professors are super cringey when talking about hardware or software. Like just today they were like your CUDA GPUs have hundreds of cores and run at 700Mhz. Or most CPUs are 2.5ghz and 4 core and you need liquid nitrogen to hit 5ghz on any CPU. I understand it's like saying why doesn't a psychologist know astronomy except knowing both software and hardware is almost mandatory with how beneficial it can be. 

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5 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

So I have been at two colleges so far after transferring and I'm a computer science major. I still don't understand how little a computer/electrical engineer knows about software and how little a software engineer knows about hardware. Even the professors are super cringey when talking about hardware or software. Like just today they were like your CUDA GPUs have hundreds of cores and run at 700Mhz. Or most CPUs are 2.5ghz and 4 core and you need liquid nitrogen to hit 5ghz on any CPU. I understand it's like saying why doesn't a psychologist know astronomy except knowing both software and hardware is almost mandatory with how beneficial it can be. 

It do be like that.

 

Although I disagree that knowing both soft- and hardware in depth is mandatory, at work I don't ever have to worry about the hardware my software is runnning on, we have a sysadmin for that. Everything I know about the hardware-side of things I've had to teach myself, even in school we only ever really talked about some really theoretical stuff and never about specific hardware

75% of what I say is sarcastic

 

So is the rest probably

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Just now, myselfolli said:

It do be like that.

 

Although I disagree that knowing both soft- and hardware in depth is mandatory, at work I don't ever have to worry about the hardware my software is runnning on, we have a sysadmin for that. Everything I know about the hardware-side of things I've had to teach myself, even in school we only ever really talked about some really theoretical stuff and never about specific hardware

But when you are programming wouldn't it be better to really understand what's happening. Or programming for an ASIC/ARM you have to know what's going on

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Just now, BuckGup said:

But when you are programming wouldn't it be better to really understand what's happening. Or programming for an ASIC/ARM you have to know what's going on

I think aside from a few edge cases it really won't matter... Hardware today is so powerful, that you can throw almost anything at it and it'll cope fine.

 

Which is kind of a curse in itself, I mean you can't even open a tab in chrome with the amount of RAM that was used to send people to the moon

75% of what I say is sarcastic

 

So is the rest probably

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Just now, myselfolli said:

I think aside from a few edge cases it really won't matter... Hardware today is so powerful, that you can throw almost anything at it and it'll cope fine.

 

Which is kind of a curse in itself, I mean you can't even open a tab in chrome with the amount of RAM that was used to send people to the moon

I feel like that's lazy programming though. Because you see that a ton and are even taught to never worry about memory or anything

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Isn't this the result of how specific hardware and software tends to be?

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18 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Even the professors are super cringey when talking about hardware or software. Like just today they were like your CUDA GPUs have hundreds of cores and run at 700Mhz. Or most CPUs are 2.5ghz and 4 core and you need liquid nitrogen to hit 5ghz on any CPU.

Maybe it's just that they never bothered to keep up with current hardware and just talked about 1990s hardware

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Im guessing they didnt get much more than what i got regarding hardware/software during middleschool. We were told that Firewire was the shit and the by far fastest external bus available today lol

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20 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Most CPUs are 2.5ghz and 4 core and you need liquid nitrogen to hit 5ghz on any CPU.

That's just because it's been a while since they've been "in the field".

 

Regarding hardware versus software, let's take a look at hardware design - specifically in respects to thermal management: They only *really* need to know the sources of heat and the goal deltas, not how the underlying architectures work.

 

Sure, it would be useful to understand it all, but generally, becoming more knowledgeable in your specific field has more benefits than branching out a little bit.

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Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

Im guessing they didnt get much more than what i got regarding hardware/software during middleschool. We were told that Firewire was the shit and the by far fastest external bus available today lol

Lol maybe that was true at the time depending on your age

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Just now, CUDAcores89 said:

Think about how many specializations there are in both software and hardware. 

 

Not everyone can know everything, nor do they need to.

 

Your professors only need to know something very specific, and somebody else with a different specialization will take care of the other part. 

 

This is essential to our current economic system where individuals specialize to the best of their abilities. Of course yes I think knowing both would be beneficial, but I personally think everyone should know about personal finance yet most people don't. 

 

There simply isn't enough time in the world for someone to learn everything when it comes to both software and hardware, so we really have to pick one then maybe learn a little about the other.

Nah I think 8 years of school plus your own self learning you could get to know both pretty well

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I think it has got something to do with interest mainly. I know plenty of people (inlcuding myself) who are straight up interested in the hardware and only the aspects that link with that, they then build and sell PC's or work in tech support industries or as Networking engineers etc (things that rely heavily on hardware). However, there are also plenty of people who only know the software side and they do that sort of stuff in their spare time along with their studies or as a job etc. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in some of the software aspect too but I find it hard to stick at it, I'd rather just better myself in the hardware and I feel a lot of people are like that in the tech industry. HTML and CSS I have tried to get into and have stuck at it but other coding... Nah sorry. You've either got the brain for it or ya don't haha. 

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I worked with a very good programmer who new very little about the hardware the servers/clients ran on. He made sure his programs were as resource efficient as possible, could name all the components in a computer but had no interest in understanding the deeper workings of the hardware itself. It happens I guess.

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I think it has got something to do with interest mainly. I know plenty of people (inlcuding myself) who are straight up interested in the hardware and only the aspects that link with that, they then build and sell PC's or work in tech support industries or as Networking engineers etc (things that rely heavily on hardware). However, there are also plenty of people who only know the software side and they do that sort of stuff in their spare time along with their studies or as a job etc. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in some of the software aspect too but I find it hard to stick at it, I'd rather just better myself in the hardware and I feel a lot of people are like that in the tech industry. HTML and CSS I have tried to get into and have stuck at it but other coding... Nah sorry. You've either got the brain for it or ya don't haha. 

Yeah there is a huge increase in demand for good programmers now though which sorta sucks if you only like hardware

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This is the feeling Android gives me, some aspects feel like no one involved with making them actually uses them. What's with blinding navigation buttons that can't be dimmed or turned off? And why is every software menu on top when the navigation buttons are on the bottom. Screens have been getting bigger and bigger, but features that help you use your phone with just one hand are few and far between. Fingerprint reader on the back gets easily blocked by a flip cover, but software doesn't bother compensating (lift to wake), keep stretching those fingers!

 

I hear there are decent exceptions like Samsung and Huawei, but sometimes I struggle to imagine what all the Android development is about. We get a new theme, reshuffled menus and more invasive search bars, but anything helpful/useful still has to come from individual phone manufacturers. (Or worse, from third parties. Which could be somewhat fine if it was embraced by the lazy parties.)

 

/rant

 

Trivia is just trivia, your job's what you need to stay good at, the rest can just be casual water cooler blabber. Everyone's perception is skewed in some way, for some reason. No need to burn anyone at the stake for that. (The way I see it, managers are responsible for every issue I have with commercial products. They of course deserve to be burned, slowly.)

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah there is a huge increase in demand for good programmers now though which sorta sucks if you only like hardware

True, there are definitely more jobs out in the world available to software and programmer guys. It just sucks that the more interesting bit is hardware and there isn't a huge amount you can do with it in comparison, job wise at least anyway. 

 

It's the whole reason I'm teaching myself HTML and CSS, not coding but it's useful at least. 

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3 minutes ago, Brennan_Price said:

True, there are definitely more jobs out in the world available to software and programmer guys. It just sucks that the more interesting bit is hardware and there isn't a huge amount you can do with it in comparison, job wise at least anyway. 

 

It's the whole reason I'm teaching myself HTML and CSS, not coding but it's useful at least. 

Yeah except weebly, square space, and AI exist that have put many web devs out of a job. 

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16 minutes ago, tatte said:

This is the feeling Android gives me, some aspects feel like no one involved with making them actually uses them. What's with blinding navigation buttons that can't be dimmed or turned off? And why is every software menu on top when the navigation buttons are on the bottom. Screens have been getting bigger and bigger, but features that help you use your phone with just one hand are few and far between. Fingerprint reader on the back gets easily blocked by a flip cover, but software doesn't bother compensating (lift to wake), keep stretching those fingers!

 

I hear there are decent exceptions like Samsung and Huawei, but sometimes I struggle to imagine what all the Android development is about. We get a new theme, reshuffled menus and more invasive search bars, but anything helpful/useful still has to come from individual phone manufacturers. (Or worse, from third parties. Which could be somewhat fine if it was embraced by the lazy parties.)

 

/rant

 

Trivia is just trivia, your job's what you need to stay good at, the rest can just be casual water cooler blabber. Everyone's perception is skewed in some way, for some reason. No need to burn anyone at the stake for that. (The way I see it, managers are responsible for every issue I have with commercial products. They of course deserve to be burned, slowly.)

Exactly the hardware and software teams are probably separated leading to these conflicts that shouldn’t exist if they talked 

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A lot of these people have no reason to know much about hardware if they're software engineers or software if they're hardware engineers because they're usually given what they need from the opposite spectrum full-stop or they have people who can do the grunt of the work for them.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Lol maybe that was true at the time depending on your age

im 19 so that was only 5 years ago or so

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45 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah except weebly, square space, and AI exist that have put many web devs out of a job. 

Yeah, there is that, hey ho. I guess it just allows for more of a justified answer when at a job interview, it's a good thing to put on your CV for example as they can see that you've made semi-decent websites or whatever ?‍♂️

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I don't see why hardware engineers have to know software or why software engineers have to know hardware. At the end of the day, is it even valuable for them to know it? You may argue it is, but in the eyes of those people it may not.

 

If you think you should know hardware as a software developer, then you should be able to hash me out a basic audio amplifier using a BJT.

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14 hours ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I don't see why hardware engineers have to know software or why software engineers have to know hardware. At the end of the day, is it even valuable for them to know it? You may argue it is, but in the eyes of those people it may not.

 

If you think you should know hardware as a software developer, then you should be able to hash me out a basic audio amplifier using a BJT.

That's electronics though, which is something probably even less people know about haha ? I ain't even gonna try to bring up that argument as to why people need to know that as well lmao. 

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19 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I feel like that's lazy programming though. Because you see that a ton and are even taught to never worry about memory or anything

Ofc it's lazy, but it's usually a lot quicker plus it just works, because we have memory etc. in excess...

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20 hours ago, BuckGup said:

knowing both software and hardware is almost mandatory with how beneficial it can be. 

It is a bit more complicating.

We for instance have to learn CPU architecture to know how to optimize programs better. We don't learn anything CUDA or CPU OC related. And why would we? How is knowing how to OC a CPU to 5GHz help them? Mind you they are not SW and HW engineers, they specialize in one thing. And many of them (especially professors) legit have no time to follow all new tech that is coming out. And of them of course are not interested. You can basically write most of software for instance without knowing what a register is. 

You know those stuff? Good for you, you might at some point have an advantage due to that, but don't mix our little niche here with something that engineers need to know. Some things are mandatory, some are not. 

The ability to google properly is a skill of its own. 

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