How bad is Weed?

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On 6/9/2018 at 6:06 PM, Tsuki said:

Will this make me a Witcher? or just make me Willy Nelson..

It's really shocking the effects of Country music. Thats the real toxic addiction. Sweet Home Alabama the most toe-tapping thing you'll ever hear. Only one beat can get you hooked for life. 

[dizmo]

People that smoke it every day generally have a different lifestyle than those that smoke it every so often. You shouldn't judge (not saying you do) what others choose to do with their lives, as it doesn't really affect you, and that's one of their rights as a human; deciding how they'd like to live.

 

Others have already touched on some issues, most of which can be side stepped with vaping and edibles.

It can mess with your mind. I've had friends who can't sleep without getting high, I've had friends become extremely paranoid.

 

Interesting note: I know several people who smoke daily and lead very productive lives.

 

2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Right it's cool to be used instead of opioids and for other medical reasons. Just recreational use seems silly. Maybe if it was legalized and there were strict rules but you can smoke a cigarette and still drive but weed not so much  

Recreational use makes perfect sense. It's something people can bond over, and have some good laughs.

2 hours ago, Jonnyswboy said:

Is drinking silly? It has zero medical benefits and is closer to heroin than cannabis, yet it is legal and socially acceptable to use for recreational purposes. Alcohol is a hard and primitive drug and society has let us forget that.

Depends what you're drinking Wine for example has shown some benefits.

2 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Drinking is silly and using drugs without a medical reason is stupid. 

 

0 deaths? You're probably not counting: crimes committed while drugged, while alcohol statistics usually include those; cardiovascular diseases and suicides.

Haha, oy. While yes, marijuana can cause people to act stupid, the most criminal thing someone's likely to do is get behind the wheel while impaired. It's not a drug like crack or heroin where you're more likely to have people fiending for it.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

You got it wrong.

 

Maybe it was not that clear, but what I've said is that any drug taken may interact differently from a person to another because different DNAs end up producing variations of aminoacids/proteins/etc. 

 

That's one of the reasons producing good drugs is such a pain, and there will always be people that the drug simply doesn't work and/or may cause some mild to severe side effects.

 

Weed may have mutagenic effect, but it was not the point and I've never read anything about that.

Look you’re probably a cool guy but I don’t think you understand what you are typing. We are all wrong sometimes and don’t know, don’t worry about it.

 

If you want I can tell you what you are trying to say, which is that a drug may interact with the transcription of a gene or exhibit an interaction in the pathway of a gene. 

 

What you are inferring as the DNA of an individual is their phenotype (when considering the impact of a drug it’s prudent to include their epigenome - which smoking directly effects, including marijuana) 

 

If you want I can provide you with some reading I give to some students I tutor for genetics so you can learn a little bit. 

 

Now there is proof that marijuana can be harmful to you and even induce cancer. It’s not a cancer cure at all, so there is some merit to what you are saying. 

 

The fact remains it’s not as dangerous as alcohol or tobacco, so it should be legalized, which I believe is the argument here. 

[Canada EH]

5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

If someone does it every 6 months how bad is it compared to someone who does it every other day? I know personally I can see the life decisions being made between the two but what about health risks?

Its a gateway drug, the effects are pretty major if you smoke it frequently compared to rarely.

[MadyTehWolfie]

4 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

I am. It's the truth about any drug/medicine/etc you decide to take, including components in weed. 

 

I've spoken like someone who actually worked on research about this kind of interactions and mutations...

Nah, you come off as knowing very little/puranical. I used to be the same way till I had a drink/tried weed for the pain I get for a medical issues I have. Not only is weed good to numb the pain a little its pretty fun to get baked with friends. 

[MadyTehWolfie]

50 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

Its a gateway drug, the effects are pretty major if you smoke it frequently compared to rarely.

I'd say the opposite. If you smoke it a lot you'll get a tolerance for it. Don't know anyone who smoked weed and then went to narcotics. I'm sure it does happen just idk how likely it is. As I said in my other posts I use weed to numb the pain from my medical condition. Only ever tried weed to see if it'll help with my pain so I don't have to take Percocet all the time when the pain gets too much. I can see how some people with an addictive personality would abuse the two and I wouldn't really suggest mixing the two together though people have with varying results.

[captain_to_fire]

8 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Honestly, I'd rather see it legalized. Though, I find it funny that senators are looking to legalize it only after some pharmaceutical companies have "shown interest" in cannabis. 

Too bad Jeff Sessions once said "good people don't smoke marijuana" which I think is a big pile of bullcrap.

8 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Anyways, I've been prescribing CBD and other hemp-based products (Florida doesn't allow marijuana) for pets and out of 10 pets, 6 will respond positively to it, 2 won't be affected, and 2 might get worse before getting better (most of these are due to pancreatitis more than anything else). 

I think in the US (at least in some states) there are now purified CBD products that doesn't have the THC which induces high even though in certain situations like palliative care for cancer, some people are prescribed with CBD/THC combo. That's the first time I've read about CBD for pets. Are they indicated for nausea like in people? I find it interesting. 

[captain_to_fire]

5 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Weed may have mutagenic effect, but it was not the point and I've never read anything about that.

I've yet to see a positive ames test (test for mutagenicity) with crude ethanolic MJ or even purified CBD and THC. Until now I haven't read one that is based on evidence that is corroborated that marijuana can have teratogenic or cancerous effects. However, if MJ is grown on a soil contaminated by heavy metals like mercury or cadmium, it may result to infertility and other diseases associated with heavy metal poisoning but that doesn't mean MJ's secondary metabolites can cause dangerous mutations. 

 

5 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Maybe it was not that clear, but what I've said is that any drug taken may interact differently from a person to another because different DNAs end up producing variations of aminoacids/proteins/etc. 

 

That's one of the reasons producing good drugs is such a pain, and there will always be people that the drug simply doesn't work and/or may cause some mild to severe side effects.

Are you implying about personalized medicine and how marijuana can affect different people from different races from all over the world? Unfortunately there's not a lot of studies and here's the reason why, so many countries (especially mine) consider the sale and use of marijuana as a criminal offense and that alone prevents scientists (both state and private) from testing hypotheses with the effects of marijuana with a particular race. This is not like certain heart medications that works well with Caucasians but could be hit or miss with Asians.

[kaiju_wars]

7 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

Growing up in the Baltimore area, one of the drug capitals of the world, I've seen my fair share of this and in my experience, they just become whiny douches.  I mean I guess that's an asshole to some.  The tweakers and drunks I consider assholes because they abandon their kids here, tell them how they were a mistake, lock them out of their house, cheat on their spouse with other addicts/drunks, and continue to neglect their child.  To me, that's an asshole.

That’s fine if that’s an asshole to you. 

I grew up in Dallas, where a good portion of people smoked weed.

I know the difference between a douche and an asshole.  The people I knew weren’t douches.

So, I’d really appreciate it if you’d stop trying to tell me what I experienced.

[LoganTNZ]

It makes you high, kills off brain cells, increases risk of brain cancer, smoking it can cause a risk to asthmatics, its in high demand on the black market, and because its marijuana

 

EDIT: it also makes others around you high

[Levent]

inb4

to be honest, there are significantly worse drugs, both prescription and off the shelf that were supposed to help with psychological problems and I been on some of those for a while (around 8 years) and everytime you reduce your dosage shit starts falling apart (for me atleast), I been smoking weed for over 5 years and its much more effective than any of those drugs that were prescribed to me, I am not depended on it, I dont smoke it every day, I dont keep a joint with me wherever I go. I am off those "meds" since then and it has been going far better for me.

ya all need to experience this stuff rather than going "oh thats bad, cuz my mom told me so", if this was as bad as heroin or alcohol it wouldnt have been legalized for medicinal or recreatinal use.

[Princess Luna]

10 hours ago, Blebekblebek said:

It just bad as drinking beer, or breathing.

 

Government trying so hard to make propaganda about how bad weed is.

 

Alcohol is a lot worse than it.

 

I don't drink, hate the effects of alcohol how it gives you headaches makes you feel bad physically and mentally, it's also expensive in a way... I smoke a joint every weekend and I think I'm doing fine enough... My memory is fine, my health is fine then again I feed myself really well (I know how to cook and I do grocery by myself) not to mention I do plenty of physical exercises so nah I don't feel any thing bad on my lungs.

 

it's the best immersive experience in games and animes when you're somewhat high and the best part is that I never feel bad with it, no hangovers nothing of the sort.

 

It also is much cheaper than drinking I'd like to point out, a small joint does all the trick you need to have the alternative state of mind experience while with alcohol you gotta drink plenty or expensive distillate.

 

I mean I know that the only reason many countries have a law forbidding weed is solely because corrupted police and politicians are profiting from it someway, it has long been proven that the "combat on drugs" is a failure, might as well regularize and turn it into a profitable tax paying market.

 

The fact I smoker it on weekends is doing no one any harm, probably not even to myself.

 

This is my 2 cents.

[BuckGup]

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Alcohol is a lot worse than it.

 

I don't drink, hate the effects of alcohol how it gives you headaches makes you feel bad physically and mentally, it's also expensive in a way... I smoke a joint every weekend and I think I'm doing fine enough... My memory is fine, my health is fine then again I feed myself really well (I know how to cook and I do grocery by myself) not to mention I do plenty of physical exercises so nah I don't feel any thing bad on my lungs.

 

it's the best immersive experience in games and animes when you're somewhat high and the best part is that I never feel bad with it, no hangovers nothing of the sort.

 

It also is much cheaper than drinking I'd like to point out, a small joint does all the trick you need to have the alternative state of mind experience while with alcohol you gotta drink plenty or expensive distillate.

 

I mean I know that the only reason many countries have a law forbidding weed is solely because corrupted police and politicians are profiting from it someway, it has long been proven that the "combat on drugs" is a failure, might as well regularize and turn it into a profitable tax paying market.

 

The fact I smoker it on weekends is doing no one any harm, probably not even to myself.

 

This is my 2 cents.

I guess I have a hard time understanding why people get drunk or high. It sounds pretty close minded and self centered but why do you feel the need to get high? You mentioned you feel better so are you depressed or something? Couldn't you go for a walk or golfing to feel better? Or do people do drugs to escape reality temporarily because they hate their life in some way? Sorry I am just trying to understand stuff

[EPENEX]

It might be bad for your lungs to a certain point, but it most likely isn't going to kill you like alcohol can, and I'm sure people can get a physical addiction to it. That could screw up their life because they're high all the time. So, it's okay in moderation like everything else.

[Princess Luna]

22 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I guess I have a hard time understanding why people get drunk or high. It sounds pretty close minded and self centered but why do you feel the need to get high? You mentioned you feel better so are you depressed or something? Couldn't you go for a walk or golfing to feel better? Or do people do drugs to escape reality temporarily because they hate their life in some way? Sorry I am just trying to understand stuff

None of it actually.

 

It's a lot more straight forward and simple than all that conjecturing... It just feels nice and makes things funnier.... really... I'm not going to try justify it saying oh it cures depression, gives new purpose and meaning to life and what not, I smoke occasionally because I enjoy it and that's it.

[MadyTehWolfie]

5 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

You used for medical problems. As I said, in this case you're balancing the pros/cons, but getting the isolated drug, without THC/other crap, still the best thing to do. 

 

Again, my point was just informing instead of people who say "do it, nothing will happen", ignoring the risks. If you have people in your family with psychosis, using weed is probably not the brightest idea.

 

If some people think it's worth the risks and don't cause any problems, good for them.

Lol I think you missed the part where I said it was fun to do it with friends just because. Aside from the THC isnt going to kill you and it's what products mostly a body high in people which is what number pain least for me. I don't think you really know much about weed here. Everything you do has risk. Weed has very little risk involved for majority of people who use it.

[MadyTehWolfie]

3 hours ago, EPENEX said:

It might be bad for your lungs to a certain point, but it most likely isn't going to kill you like alcohol can, and I'm sure people can get a physical addiction to it. That could screw up their life because they're high all the time. So, it's okay in moderation like everything else.

Depends on how you smoke it. If you smoke with a electric cig your not getting all the particles ect from it in your lungs just the thc. All I know is out of all the times I had a drink vs weed. Alcohol caused way more negatives then weed. Except when I first started because my lungs weren't used to smoking period. After that I have had 0 discomfort from it. Also it's good for people with Crohn's/scilliac disease because it's supposed to help reduce inflammation in the intestines.

[wasab]

Weed is suppose to open your mind and enlighten you. After a few puff of these mind clarifying and enhancing drugs, you will become immune to the effects of alien mind control. You will find out that aliens from alpha centuries have infiltrated the human society. Normal humans can't see them because of the cloud of confusion and their mind control ability.

 

To see prove, watch a movie called cabin in the woods. One of the character was able to resist mind control because of weed.

[bob345]

As long as you dont smoke it, id say is far safer than even alcohol. Purposely breathing in burnt stuff is stupid no matter what it is.

[aezakmi]

12 minutes ago, wasab said:

Weed is suppose to open your mind and enlighten you. After a few puff of these mind clarifying and enhancing drugs, you will become immune to the effects of alien mind control. You will find out that aliens from alpha centuries have infiltrated the human society. Normal humans can't see them because of the cloud of confusion and their mind control ability.

 

To see prove, watch a movie called cabin in the woods. One of the character was able to resist mind control because of weed.

Weed can also cure every known disease including cancer, it's time to wake up sheeple and see that cancer was made by the big pharma corps to sell their pills just like AIDS or Ebola, yes our right wing governments around the world are hiding the truth man about weed, about extraterrestrial life, about life in mars and about the grey aliens that live amongst us, yeah they have these alien suits that makes them look human but they're not, and these aliens are the ones against weed because the infinite power of weed can make humans see through their fake glass eyes man that's right bro wake up world!!1

[John Ellmaker]

You might think twice about getting on the reefer after you watch this.

[DildorTheDecent]

best plant.

[idontknowwhy]

is this post allowed on the forum?  

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Jonnyswboy said:

No.

 

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/alcohols-effects-body

https://www.healthline.com/health/alcohol/effects-on-body#3

I can find and post links too

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/in-depth/red-wine/art-20048281

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/wine-good-you

[Canada EH]

Alcohol is a poison.