Windows 10 finally overtook Windows 7 in market share

[mynameisjuan]

48 minutes ago, Sfekke said:

On the surface it seems great.

But if Windows 7 got DirectX 12 & some much needed love it'd be better.

I do not see a reason to keep releasing new OS iterations. If they would have stayed at 7 & asked a fee of $ 25 a year to use & update it. I would have paid that fee.

Just give us the option. Since if they do not W7 is becoming WXP. Horribly outdated but until you force everyone out they'll keep using it.

New iterations are def needed. Starting from a fresh slate is great. Also windows 7 UI was getting horribly outdated and just needed to go. 

 

They needed to standardize everything, have more control over their OS. With XP and 7 that just wasnt possible because would never update then bitch about security or stability, now microsoft has control and problems from home users to enterprise are falling across the board. 

[Zubkover]

12 hours ago, mr moose said:

All I am saying is there is no specific reason linked to windows 10 that would make it run slow on an 8320 or any CPU of that era. I've seen it run very well on celerons and old Pentium dual cores.  

Well. Win Vista - check. Win 7 - double check. Win 8 - double check. Win 10 - ... dobule not fine and checked.

[TVwazhere]

I was using pre anniversary update since pretty much launch until I saw a few of @GoodBytes's post on (it was either features of creators updates or security issues, I cant remember, possibly both)

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Zubkover said:

Well. Win Vista - check. Win 7 - double check. Win 8 - double check. Win 10 - ... dobule not fine and checked.

Logical deduction says that if others can run it fine on an 8320 and all other versions of windows run fine then you have either got a hardware problem somewhere else in the system or you are doing something wrong.  It would be nice if there was a simply answer like the 8320 was not supported or something,  but the fact is it is supported and there are no wide spread complaints of win 10 running slow on it.

[SolarNova]

Well i use W7, and thats great. i do have to always check updates online to ensure i dont install Microsoft spyware or performance nerfs, but so long as i do that its fine.

 

W10 on the other hand, i have it on another system, thankfully its not MY system becouse i  would have thrown it out of the windows by now ...or at least formated and installed W7. Honestly cant stand W10, primarily becouse i dont like the changes, but also becouse its so full of spyware its a PITA to get rid of it, disable it, and block it all that its just easier to stick with W7.

W7 'feels' like a PC OS, W10 'feels' like a tablet/phone OS ported to a PC.

 

I would go on with specifcs, but ill save that and just say, i dont like W10, i think its hororible and ill be sticking with W7 for as long as possible.

[Zubkover]

3 hours ago, mr moose said:

Logical deduction says that if others can run it fine on an 8320 and all other versions of windows run fine then you have either got a hardware problem somewhere else in the system or you are doing something wrong.  It would be nice if there was a simply answer like the 8320 was not supported or something,  but the fact is it is supported and there are no wide spread complaints of win 10 running slow on it.

Well. Logical deduction says if I work in IT repair place and this affects every FX build and lower-powered i3/i5s then it must be true, or either MS distributes different copies for polish IP adressess

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

I have Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7/10 all in one computer, i like all of them and they are all extremely stable. So i dont really care. Although Once windows 7 is discontinued in 2020, a WHOLE bunch of schools and businesses will have a hard time migrating over LOL   

[Jito463]

1 hour ago, Zubkover said:

Well. Logical deduction says if I work in IT repair place and this affects every FX build and lower-powered i3/i5s then it must be true, or either MS distributes different copies for polish IP adressess

I work at a repair shop as well, and we've installed Windows 10 on numerous AMD FX and older Core i# systems, and they work just fine.  A little slower than more modern systems, but that's to be expected.

[mr moose]

3 hours ago, Zubkover said:

Well. Logical deduction says if I work in IT repair place and this affects every FX build and lower-powered i3/i5s then it must be true, or either MS distributes different copies for polish IP adressess

I'm going to have to call BS now.   You may as well claim the the earth is flat and you know that from first hand experience.

[Donut417]

13 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

now microsoft has control and problems from home users to enterprise are falling across the board. 

Not for all users however. Ive had issues with Windows 10. Across 5 install if you include my laptop. One issue is my cursor glitches out, it has survived across at least 4 Installs. I dont know why this happens, but it does. Mostly I just tolerate the issues. Though Ive been testing Fedora out as of late, so Im looking in to alternatives. 

 

Now that being said. There is a lot about Windows 10 I do like. Its faster, it boots quick, especially if you have and SSD. I like the recovery options, so I dont have to track down a Flash Drive every time I need to refresh my machine. I also really like the notification screen, mostly because its easy to get to the settings and stuff. But the bugs I have encountered like the start menu stop working, has left a bad taste in my mouth. 

 

 

[Canada EH]

On 2/2/2018 at 9:50 AM, AnonymousGuy said:

how bad Windows 10 is compared to Windows 7.  So much spying bloat shit in it that I absolutely hate it. 

Yes, Billy Boy loves his data to use against you to fatten his wallet

[TidaLWaveZ]

Where my Windows insiders at? REPRESENT!

[Zubkover]

On 6.02.2018 at 4:04 AM, mr moose said:

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On 6.02.2018 at 2:18 AM, Jito463 said:

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Ok, sooooo... what proof do you need?

I could even get my gf's Sony Vaio SVF as a proof, since it not only has audio issues on Win10, but each time it boots up on Win10 it actually gets an extra stage of "Wait", while the HDD is in a perfect shape and boot of Win8 is done in a matter of 20ish seconds instead of 1min+.

[handymanshandle]

I'm running Windows 10 Education (1709 - Build 16299.129) and it's alright.

I've been tempted to buy a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate and play around with that either in a VM or getting a larger SSD and throwing Windows 10 onto the larger SSD and Windows 7 on my current 120GB SSD. But I really don't have the money for that and it looks like Microsoft doesn't wanna support Windows 7 on Ryzen systems so, oh well.

[handymanshandle]

On 2/2/2018 at 10:52 AM, Delicieuxz said:

Like Captain Chaos mentioned, other sources say that Windows 7 is still the most used Windows OS.

 

Also, even in that Net Market Share graph, non-desktop devices, like tablets, are going to be counted as contributing to Win 10's "desktop" market share (despite Win 7 not competing in the mobile devices OS market). So, the actual figure is going to be less in Win 10's favour, and more in Win 7's favour than any graph shows.

 

My guess is that Windows 10 is still a long way off from reaching Windows 7's % of desktop market share.

Eh I think when Microsoft was doing that free upgrade thing is when the telemetry shit from Windows 10 got put into Windows 7.

 

Although I don't think they put as much telemetry crap in W7 after that update with that allowed free upgrades to 10 from 8.1/8 and 7.

[Jito463]

4 hours ago, Zubkover said:

 

Ok, sooooo... what proof do you need?

I could even get my gf's Sony Vaio SVF as a proof, since it not only has audio issues on Win10, but each time it boots up on Win10 it actually gets an extra stage of "Wait", while the HDD is in a perfect shape and boot of Win8 is done in a matter of 20ish seconds instead of 1min+.

I never said you weren't experiencing issues, I was simply relating my own experience at the store where I work.  As to why you have issues but I do not, is the only question of import.

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Zubkover said:

 

Ok, sooooo... what proof do you need?

I could even get my gf's Sony Vaio SVF as a proof, since it not only has audio issues on Win10, but each time it boots up on Win10 it actually gets an extra stage of "Wait", while the HDD is in a perfect shape and boot of Win8 is done in a matter of 20ish seconds instead of 1min+.

I don't need any proof,  win 10 runs fine on the hardware you mentioned, if you are having troubles then you need to fault find.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

On 2/8/2018 at 6:29 AM, Zubkover said:

 

Ok, sooooo... what proof do you need?

I could even get my gf's Sony Vaio SVF as a proof, since it not only has audio issues on Win10, but each time it boots up on Win10 it actually gets an extra stage of "Wait", while the HDD is in a perfect shape and boot of Win8 is done in a matter of 20ish seconds instead of 1min+.

I have heard about Sony VAIO machines not playing well with Windows 10. My friend has a VAIO Duo which also had tons of issues with Windows 10. This could be a result of Sony selling off the VAIO brand back in 2014, one year before the release of Windows 10. 

[vorticalbox]

On 02/02/2018 at 12:58 PM, hey_yo_ said:

My initial reaction when I saw this was "duh!". It shouldn't come as a surprise. Microsoft for the most part disguised Windows 10 as a software update for Windows 7 and 8.1 users so most of them clicked "update".

Oh come on that my have been true years a go but isn't now. 

[Zubkover]

On 9.02.2018 at 11:32 PM, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

I have heard about Sony VAIO machines not playing well with Windows 10. My friend has a VAIO Duo which also had tons of issues with Windows 10. This could be a result of Sony selling off the VAIO brand back in 2014, one year before the release of Windows 10. 

Problem is that the issue persists even when backed down to Win8 p.p As if the system reflashed the sound controller by itself, no matter how unlikely it sounds.

I cannot get this thing to output more than like... 30% volume that it once had? Before 1709 I could listen to YT vids comfortably on 12/100 - now it is barely audible and the preupdate dB level is somewhere around 70-80 mark.

 

On 8.02.2018 at 9:16 PM, mr moose said:

I don't need any proof,  win 10 runs fine on the hardware you mentioned, if you are having troubles then you need to fault find.

So basically "I don't need proof, but you need to find a proof"?

On 8.02.2018 at 7:40 PM, Jito463 said:

I never said you weren't experiencing issues, I was simply relating my own experience at the store where I work.  As to why you have issues but I do not, is the only question of import.

Ya, sounds like logic. I do want to know why though, since even when we install these OSes on fresh new HDDs they tend to hiccup a lot during first few hours/days like crazy, even after getting drivers and such done. We had even some returned to us after a week or so with a comment "it runs slow now" after getting a fresh install of Win10. On SATA/PCIe SSD the issue is no more, but that is to be expected.

And before anybody asks, we usually get latest distro iso from MS site, so there are no update issues to speak of.

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, Zubkover said:

So basically "I don't need proof, but you need to find a proof"?

 

 

What are you even trying to say?  It's really not that complicated.

 

you were blaming windows 10 for your problems, it has been pointed out that there are no intrinsic issues with win 10 that make it incompatible or slow with your hardware, so your problems must lie elsewhere.  Some how you seem to have it in your head we are telling you you don't have issues.  On the contrary, we are acknowledging you have issues, we are just confirming that your issues are not because of win ten but likely lay some where else in your system (and specific to your system).  If you don't want to accept that then fine, but don't try to keep turning this thread around to make a point that is largely not true for nearly all of the world running fx/old  processors.

 

 

 

[Zubkover]

2 hours ago, mr moose said:

If between my freakin reinstalls on ALL of my hardware the ONLY thing that changes on them is operating system and Win10 is NOTICEABLY slower on stock settings then IT MUST BE Win10.

There is no escape from this logic, no matter if I saw it on old Sempron, old P8400, Ivy Bridge i3 or my main 8320.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, Zubkover said:

If between my freakin reinstalls on ALL of my hardware the ONLY thing that changes on them is operating system and Win10 is NOTICEABLY slower on stock settings then IT MUST BE Win10.

There is no escape from this logic, no matter if I saw it on old Sempron, old P8400, Ivy Bridge i3 or my main 8320.

 

Say it all again, maybe win 10 will suddenly stop working fine for everyone else on their 8320's too. 

[Silentprototipe]

Only reason why I switched form 7 to 10 was because my laptop ran 10 and that 2020 deadline for Windows 7 is dangerously close. I may as well get it over with and remember Win 7 as the last good OS 

[Zubkover]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

 

Say it all again, maybe win 10 will suddenly stop working fine for everyone else on their 8320's too. 

That's just flipping the definition of "sample size" on this topic, but whatever.