I regret smoking weed.

[dalekphalm]

13 hours ago, WindirBear said:

I did it as a teenager and I fucking hated it.

I would get anxiety, paranoia, even sadness.

 

I did it because the crowd I was with. sometimes it wouldn't be so bad, but most times it was.

Its legal in California, and next year it'll be sold legally in stores.

 

I personally think this a gateway drug, despite being an unpopular opinion.

 

I'm just ranting

Like any other drug or stimulant (including Sugar and Alcohol), it affects different people in different ways.

 

Obviously, it affects you rather badly. You should probably stay away from it.

 

But you are just you. Other people can consume it with no issues at all.

 

I strongly feel like Marijuana should be legalized and regulated for recreational use. Give it similar rules as with Alcohol: Illegal for underage people to consume it (19 in Canada, 21 in the US). Make it illegal to be under the influence while driving or operating heavy machinery.

 

Then tax it. Some of that tax income can go into health related funds for dealing with any negative impacts.

 

I personally think that cigarettes are way bigger gateway drugs vs weed is. When I was in high school, all of the people I knew who jumped from weed to stronger stuff, started with cigarettes. The ones who smoked weed but didn't smoke cigarettes? Stuck with weed or eventually quit all together on their own decisions. Of course, that's anecdotal, so of very limited value.

 

Our Government promised to legalize marijuana during the last election. They're supposedly going to announce legislation this spring/summer for the framework and legalization, but they're dragging their feet like crazy.

[Nup]

Woo chemicals! 

[dizmo]

If you hated it you shouldn't have done it. Plain and simple. Trying to say it's a gateway drug is trying to demonize it from your own experiences, which is an experience that's clearly not shared with everyone. The exact same thing can be said about alcohol. You know what causes further drug use? People who either want to try it, or who lack a backbone and give into peer pressure.

 

8 hours ago, hey_yo_ said:

-snip-

While marijuana is being prescribed by doctors as treatment for those conditions you mentioned, I don't think you should be self medicating and get a consult from a credentialed therapist or psychiatrist.

It's not always a medicine though, and is quite often used for recreation.

8 hours ago, Kumaresh said:

Alcohol and drugs like Marijuana, cocaine and heroin are bad for your body and have numerous negative long term health implications, damaging both your body and mental condition. I can't say for certain which is objectively worse, but both are bad. Better to avoid them entirely....

However they can also have positives. Including alcohol, as been proven time and time again. It's all about moderation.

8 hours ago, SCHISCHKA said:

There are people allergic to alcohol and don't realise it. there's also a gene that triggers a bad response to alcohol. Back to weed. it really has such a small effect on me that I just can't be bothered getting high. Some people react badly and end up with bipolar or some other mental illness. Some people think it's the most wonderful thing in the world. Making it available like tobacco is going to repeat the mistake of allowing tobacco on every corner store, possibly worse. I'm not against decriminalisation I think possession should not be punished but should be treated as an illness not crime. Commercialising it is very wrong and will have the same or worse results on societal participation like all other legal drugs. I.e. An addiction will cost you your job

Addiction won't always cost you your job. I know many, many people who smoke weed on a regular basis and perform quite well at their careers. To the point where a lot of their co-workers don't even know. It entirely comes down to the individual.

 

I've never heard of someone becoming bipolar. What you stated is simply showing that it's a bad treatment. Just like how you wouldn't give methadone to someone who has a broken leg.

 

So if they didn't commercialize it, how would you gather they go about it? Keep letting drug dealers make money, buy weapons and harder drugs and carry on that way? You simply can't have one without the other. Possession as an illness also doesn't make sense.

7 hours ago, hey_yo_ said:

-snip-

This is I actually agree. While I am against to any drug war similar to what Philippines or Richard Nixon did, I don't think drugs should be advertised like skittles. And yes, war on drugs is as silly as diabetics declaring war on sugar or obese people declaring war on cooking oil or butter. 

That's the problem right there. It won't be advertised like Skittles, and it won't be available everywhere (though the US might be a different case). If they keep it behind the counter like cigarettes, it should be fine. I don't think you can advertise cigarettes, the same will likely be true for marijuana.

4 hours ago, Kumaresh said:

I feel it would be better to legalize these drugs and have dedicated centres where these drugs can be taken under careful supervision. This method would have quite a few advantages

1. No risk of impure or poorly manufactured drugs
2. No law and order problems due to people under the influence of drugs
3. No risk of overdosing or addiction 
4. Street gangs and drug cartels would lose business because nobody would want to buy drugs from them when there would be this better legal alternative, reducing crime greatly ( at least until they figure out something else to do )
5. We could properly tax and regulate the flow of drugs

This system would only work if there properly if there were no corruption on any level and nobody was trying to flood certain communities with drugs in order to ruin their societies *coughs*CIA*coughs*.....

I don't think they need dedicated centers. Weed isn't a drug where you're likely to get an infection, like you would intravenous drugs that have safe injection sites. The safe injection sites aren't there to keep them safe while they're high, simply to insure a safe injection.

• You can't really overdoes on marijuana
• How would a safe area prevent addiction? That's ridiculous
• The government would have to completely change its mentality on drugs, and become a pusher itself. I don't see that happening

I gather most of the way through that you mean legalize all drugs?

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

-snip-
I strongly feel like Marijuana should be legalized and regulated for recreational use. Give it similar rules as with Alcohol: Illegal for underage people to consume it (19 in Canada, 21 in the US). Make it illegal to be under the influence while driving or operating heavy machinery.

Then tax it. Some of that tax income can go into health related funds for dealing with any negative impacts.

 

I personally think that cigarettes are way bigger gateway drugs vs weed is. When I was in high school, all of the people I knew who jumped from weed to stronger stuff, started with cigarettes. The ones who smoked weed but didn't smoke cigarettes? Stuck with weed or eventually quit all together on their own decisions. Of course, that's anecdotal, so of very limited value.

 

Our Government promised to legalize marijuana during the last election. They're supposedly going to announce legislation this spring/summer for the framework and legalization, but they're dragging their feet like crazy.

Exactly. The tax revenue alone can do worlds of good compared to letting it go untaxed and destroying not only peoples homes, but certain communities as well.

 

I smoked weed in the past. I did mushrooms a few times, but that was because I wanted to, not because weed led me there.
The gateway drug is a ridiculous argument.

 

To be fair, there's a lot of stuff to go through. Miles and miles of red tape. Laws to rewrite. I think they've said that everything will be complete in 2018 or 2019. Which I'm all for, gives me more time to contemplate ways to capitalize on it. I'm really interested to see what happens to a large majority of the smaller drug dealers. I know a few and at the prices marijuana is likely to be sold at it simply isn't worth it to carry on.

51 minutes ago, Nup said:

Woo chemicals! 

Except there's usually no chemicals involved at all. Someone's a little uneducated.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

15 hours ago, WindirBear said:

I did it because the crowd I was with. sometimes it wouldn't be so bad, but most times it was.

This would be the most important takeout: don't do what you don't like doing. You could say that, in your case, following others instead of yourself was the gateway (to a) drug.

 

12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Except there's usually no chemicals involved at all. 

That's pretty impossible in this universe  

[dizmo]

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

That's pretty impossible in this universe  

Haha, knowing a grower or two and knowing they don't, not really.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, knowing a grower or two and knowing they don't, not really.

I mean in this universe. Literally, the whole universe. I think you are just using "chemicals" as something much, much narrower than what it actually means  

[Megah3rtz]

I can't believe somebody thought it was a good idea to post this 

[WindirBear]

2 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

I can't believe somebody thought it was a good idea to post this 

I didn't think it through.

[HelplmChoking]

16 hours ago, WindirBear said:

I did it as a teenager and I fucking hated it.

I would get anxiety, paranoia, even sadness.

 

I did it because the crowd I was with. sometimes it wouldn't be so bad, but most times it was.

Its legal in California, and next year it'll be sold legally in stores.

 

I personally think this a gateway drug, despite being an unpopular opinion.

 

I'm just ranting

 

I get mad when people say it isn't addictive, because it very much is. I had a huge problem with weed, and the only reason I'm not high right now is because I have no way to get it. Unfortunately, for some people it really does lead to stronger drugs. For example, I can't stand being sober anymore so I'll take whatever I can find to get a high, whether that's alcohol, cough syrup, prescription meds or what.

Granted not everyone has these problems, but it's in no way a harmless drug. All this being said, if I found some weed in a cupboard I'd smoke it all right away because I freaking love it despite all the shit it's caused in my life.

[Trik'Stari]

5 hours ago, TacticlTwinkie said:

It just sounds like marijuana isn't for you. There's no shame in that. Some people can't handle alcohol. If it doesn't respond well to your body, don't partake. 

 

Also, the argument that it is a "gateway drug" has been proven demonstrably false. That's lingering anti-pot propaganda from the Nixon administration. But that is a topic for another day.

Marijuana is a gateway drug in the same way Tobacco, Alcohol, Caffeine.....

 

Ritalin, Adderall, concerta.... Are we really surprised that drugs are a problem and/or commonplace?

[dizmo]

56 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

I get mad when people say it isn't addictive, because it very much is. I had a huge problem with weed, and the only reason I'm not high right now is because I have no way to get it. Unfortunately, for some people it really does lead to stronger drugs. For example, I can't stand being sober anymore so I'll take whatever I can find to get a high, whether that's alcohol, cough syrup, prescription meds or what.

Granted not everyone has these problems, but it's in no way a harmless drug. All this being said, if I found some weed in a cupboard I'd smoke it all right away because I freaking love it despite all the shit it's caused in my life.

*to you

 

You have to remember that some people just have extremely addicted personalities. You appear to be one of them. Hell some people are unhealthily addicted to pop. It kills them. It doesn't mean it's addictive to everyone, though, does it.

I smoked weed for many yeas. I wasn't addicted to it in the slightest. I know countless people that smoke weed, and while I'd consider a few of them "addicts", it's not necessarily the substance, but their personality.

[HelplmChoking]

Just now, dizmo said:

*to you

 

You have to remember that some people just have extremely addicted personalities. You appear to be one of them. Hell some people are unhealthily addicted to pop. It kills them. It doesn't mean it's addictive to everyone, though, does it.

I smoked weed for many yeas. I wasn't addicted to it in the slightest. I know countless people that smoke weed, and while I'd consider a few of them "addicts", it's not necessarily the substance, but their personality.

 

In fact, anything that provokes a response from your body is addictive. Generally, if your life is great you won't easily become addicted to something (not including physical addictions) but once things start going less well, the substance becomes a coping mechanism and is difficult to stop. 

I also know countless people who smoke (all in their early 20's), and about half of them have totally screwed their lives up because the drug became their priority, with a few of them moving into much harder stuff.

[DildorTheDecent]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

Except there's usually no chemicals involved at all. Someone's a little uneducated.

He's just having giggle, calm down son. 

[MadyTehWolfie]

Weed can have negative effects but that's on a Case by case basis. Aside from that the weed addiction is like any other addiction. Anything can be addicting to the point of impacting your personal life.

[KingKeith55]

It affects everyone differently. I'm the opposite of most when I get high, I don't get any sort of paranoia or anxiety at all. Even if there's police or something that would normally trigger paranoia involved. In fact it makes me happy and want to do something (that's not intensive, but at the same time I don't like sitting still while high for some reason). It does affect people in different ways, one of my friends stopped because it would make him have sad and disturbing thoughts whenever he smoked. As for me, I just talk a lot and say funny shit. There's also people who spill secrets and shit that they normally wouldn't say while high, I had a friend like this who never told anyone certain shit but only ended up telling me because we were both high af.

 

Also the thing about weed is it's not chemically addictive, but it can be mentally addictive. What I mean by that is weed itself doesn't make you addicted, but some people like the feeling they get so much that it's all they want to do. It happens with a lot of young kids who don't have much or any self control.

 

Personally I'm not a fan of alcohol, because I find I end up loosing control and doing/saying stupid shit. Most of the time with alcohol I get social, and that's it, but the main reason I don't drink a lot is because the lack of control. When I smoke weed I can still control myself, I can act normal and still function normal if I have to. Under the influence of alcohol it's really hard, and even if it seems as if you're acting normal you're not. I also never really stayed around certain friends while they were drinking, because they got really aggressive and some of them got really stupid, like breaking shit and getting into trouble. When all of my friends would smoke weed, we would just chill and laugh and find something to do sometimes if we were bored.

 

Also by no means I think it's a "Gateway drug". It depends entirely on who you are. If you're someone with poor self control and is easily addicted and lured towards bad things, then no shit there's a good chance you'll end up doing worse.

 

My main argument is why is marijuana illegal if alcohol is legal? Alcohol is a poison, and can kill you, make you sick, and leads to more injuries and fights than marijuana does. While it's technically possible to die from marijuana, it's realistically impossible, and I don't know anyone who smoked pot and ended up going out and fighting and breaking shit. Marijuana can make you sick if you green out though. Based on this comparison, why should a less harmful "drug" be illegal when a more harmful one isn't? I should say that just because alcohol might be worse than marijuana, doesn't mean it's bad.

[.50]

For one who made this,

Your reason to smoke weed is worst. Being psychologically forced to do it by presence of people around you is just bad which can be led to other drugs also. Gateway to everything.

 

Most of the people smoke weed cause it seems cool to someone or they feel kinda badass. While some do it cause of medicine or find joy or way out in it.

 

I dont like alcohol nor I ever drink a coffee, but I do smoke weed even I smoked tobacco only once.

 

I mostly smoke alone, but I have no problems smoking with someone else,unless that person is aggressive and paranoid etc without any supstances. 

 

Never had any problems, neither I heard anyone did. 

 

For me,weed just relax me, force me on endless thinking and mind games, while I have on my mind thats everything done by weed (when you start to think pesimistic what if ) so it cant force me on fear.

 

Im on phone btw, and all I said was just for my country.

 

[captain_to_fire]

2 hours ago, Rangaman42 said:

I get mad when people say it isn't addictive, because it very much is.

Then why is it that people who had undergone surgery especially hip replacement surgeries don't become junkies? Diamorphine/heroin used in hospitals are pharmaceutical grade, it's pure and way more potent than the ones found from drug dealers which are laced with contaminants. Alcohol is very addictive and yet it's legal and not everyone who takes it become addicted to it.

 

Addiction in itself is a complicated thing. To say that you take this and you become addicted is quite the slippery slope. There's so many things people can get addicted to. Sex for instance can be addictive to some people. Shopping can be addictive and so is gambling. Addiction always requires an external environmental stimuli. The medications only amplify it because on how it interacts with the reward center of the brain as well as the dopamine receptors which causes pleasure. 

 

[SCHISCHKA]

3 hours ago, dizmo said:

Addiction won't always cost you your job. I know many, many people who smoke weed on a regular basis and perform quite well at their careers. To the point where a lot of their co-workers don't even know. It entirely comes down to the individual.

 

I've never heard of someone becoming bipolar. What you stated is simply showing that it's a bad treatment. Just like how you wouldn't give methadone to someone who has a broken leg.

 

So if they didn't commercialize it, how would you gather they go about it? Keep letting drug dealers make money, buy weapons and harder drugs and carry on that way? You simply can't have one without the other. Possession as an illness also doesn't make sense.

addiction will not always cost you your job but it can. just coz your friends are employed stoners does not nullify the fact that drug addiction does cost people their jobs.

Just because you have never heard of it doesn't make what i said false. Theres plenty of evidence out there that some people react badly to weed.

You're getting carried away with my comment on decriminalization. What i meant was possession should not be a crime, addicts should be treated by health professionals not prisons. I did not invent the concept of decriminalization it is well argued. The stuff grows in the ground, if you decriminalize it then people can grow their own. Sure there will still be a black market, theres a black market in tobacco and alcohol, theres a black market in everything that gets taxed.

[.50]

Smoke once per week and you will feel like you smoke for first time. 

 

Smoke every day for atleast 2 months, you will build tolerance and nothing will be problem.  

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, Rangaman42 said:

In fact, anything that provokes a response from your body is addictive. Generally, if your life is great you won't easily become addicted to something (not including physical addictions) but once things start going less well, the substance becomes a coping mechanism and is difficult to stop. 

I also know countless people who smoke (all in their early 20's), and about half of them have totally screwed their lives up because the drug became their priority, with a few of them moving into much harder stuff.

Not entirely true. I've smoked weed during very low points and never got addicted to it. Again, it depends on the person.

The same can be said about many, many things though. To say it's evil and should be illegal is simply a poor way of looking at it. Your experience shouldn't affect others. Just like how there's millions of people who can responsibly consume alcohol, and it shouldn't be ruined by the few that can't. You stated yourself you just have an addictive personality.

1 hour ago, SCHISCHKA said:

addiction will not always cost you your job but it can. just coz your friends are employed stoners does not nullify the fact that drug addiction does cost people their jobs.

Just because you have never heard of it doesn't make what i said false. Theres plenty of evidence out there that some people react badly to weed.

You're getting carried away with my comment on decriminalization. What i meant was possession should not be a crime, addicts should be treated by health professionals not prisons. I did not invent the concept of decriminalization it is well argued. The stuff grows in the ground, if you decriminalize it then people can grow their own. Sure there will still be a black market, theres a black market in tobacco and alcohol, theres a black market in everything that gets taxed.

Just like always being late because you procrastinate can make you lose your job. Just like any number of millions of things can make you lose your job. To say smoking weed will lead to job loss is idiotic, and not fact. Those employed stoners are also very high functioning members of society, one's a school director and the other works for government infrastructure.

Yes, that's true. However to say it leads to someone being bipolar, via the information you've provided, is false. Everything on Google looks at it from a treatment aspect, NOT a cause. If we're talking strictly marijuana here, then even treating someone with possession with medical personnel is a waste of resources. Here it's a simple slap on the wrist and off you go. People growing it on their own still raises huge issues, such as property destruction. True, however why not let the government tax it and actually put that money to good use? You can effectively eliminate the illegal trade of marijuana.

1 hour ago, .50 said:

Smoke once per week and you will feel like you smoke for first time. 

 

Smoke every day for atleast 2 months, you will build tolerance and nothing will be problem.  

Haha, not entirely true, as that too is very person to person dependent.

[HelplmChoking]

Just now, dizmo said:

Not entirely true. I've smoked weed during very low points and never got addicted to it. Again, it depends on the person.

The same can be said about many, many things though. To say it's evil and should be illegal is simply a poor way of looking at it. Your experience shouldn't affect others. Just like how there's millions of people who can responsibly consume alcohol, and it shouldn't be ruined by the few that can't. You stated yourself you just have an addictive personality.

2

Oh for sure, it shouldn't be illegal at all. Honestly, I don't believe the government should have much power over the individual beyond making sure we don't kill each other so I think all drugs should be legal, with plenty of education around the effects and issues.

I think the most important thing to prevent addiction is to admit that drugs are actually awesome, rather than the old "drugs are bad" line. Because if you believe they're bad, then try them and they turn out to be great then you start questioning whether there really is anything wrong with them, they don't explain that the bad stuff is when you don't have drugs.

 

But whatever, you're right and not everyone will have a problem but I'm really tired with the constant preaching about how wonderful weed is. I mean, we used to say the same shit about cigarettes back in the day. It's great stuff, but let's not pretend it's totally harmless.

[Tech_Dreamer]

cool

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, Rangaman42 said:

Oh for sure, it shouldn't be illegal at all. Honestly, I don't believe the government should have much power over the individual beyond making sure we don't kill each other so I think all drugs should be legal, with plenty of education around the effects and issues.

I think the most important thing to prevent addiction is to admit that drugs are actually awesome, rather than the old "drugs are bad" line. Because if you believe they're bad, then try them and they turn out to be great then you start questioning whether there really is anything wrong with them, they don't explain that the bad stuff is when you don't have drugs.

 

But whatever, you're right and not everyone will have a problem but I'm really tired with the constant preaching about how wonderful weed is. I mean, we used to say the same shit about cigarettes back in the day. It's great stuff, but let's not pretend it's totally harmless.

Haha, yeah no I feel ya. I have one friend who makes it seem like anyone who doesn't smoke it is an idiot, and everyone should always be high. He'll go on about how many benefits it has, and how it cures this and that. But really, he's quoting other stoners. So it's a liiiittle biased. It's also the only way he seems to be able to connect with people. Each to their own, I suppose, but it's almost like he's a preacher.

 

I think legalization makes the most sense because with the revenue you make off of the many, you can help the few that it affects poorly, and help them properly.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

 

[WereCat]

14 hours ago, Centurius said:

You know what else has numerous negative long term health implications that are damaging to both your body and mental condition? Oxygen.

Breath taking revelation!