Experiences with non-techies

[WkdPaul]

What happened after that?

I told him he had to let Windows update finish installing the updates, that forcing it to shutdown wasn't good and that it would create more problems, etc ... he insisted it was fine, "it's not that bad", bla bla bla (pretty much stopped listening)

 

I basically didn't helped him since he didn't want to listen, don't know if he still has that laptop or if he still force shutdown the thing, so as soon as I heard him arguing me I decided I wouldn't help. I'm not paid for this shit!

[Frankie]

I told him he had to let Windows update finish installing the updates, that forcing it to shutdown wasn't good and that it would create more problems, etc ... he insisted it was fine, "it's not that bad", bla bla bla (pretty much stopped listening)

 

I basically didn't helped him since he didn't want to listen, don't know if he still has that laptop or if he still force shutdown the thing, so as soon as I heard him arguing me I decided I wouldn't help. I'm not paid for this shit!

 

I don't get people who act like that. It's fucking annoying.

 

Basically

1: Win 7 is shit, it has slow boot time. bla, bla, bla.

2: It's not OS's fault you shut it down installing updates so you are the problem here.

1: It's not that bad.

 

How can you fucking change your mind that quickly ? If it's not that bad, don't bitch about it in the first place.

[WkdPaul]

I don't get people who act like that. It's fucking annoying.

 

Basically

1: Win 7 is shit, it has slow boot time. bla, bla, bla.

2: It's not OS's fault you shut it down installing updates so you are the problem here.

1: It's not that bad.

 

How can you fucking change your mind that quickly ? If it's not that bad, don't bitch about it in the first place.

that's why I didn't help, not sure if it's brain cell missing or medication but some people are just ... 

 

especially with force shutdown during updates, it's written in big to NOT turn off the computer, seriously!!

 

*sigh*

[Frankie]

that's why I didn't help, not sure if it's brain cell missing or medication but some people are just ... 

 

especially with force shutdown during updates, it's written in big to NOT turn off the computer, seriously!!

 

*sigh*

 

I wouldn't help either

 

It's because - ain't no computer gonna tell me what to do!

 

One thing I also don't understand, is how much luck these people have. If I would to shut it down during update, it would corrupt the OS completely, these people do it all the time and it still works... well it doesn't work great but still.

[burnttoastnice]

I'm not exactly sure.

The user has the option to turn most of these spy features off and they agree to it when they agree to the agreement.

But most users don't read that so if it collects data without their knowledge, then MSX might be a SpySystem?

I'm open to others opinions.

Before installing windows 10 I read the entire EULA. They did not mention all of the extra 'spying' functionality which is being discovered now. Technically illegal imo and MS has lost every last ounce of my trust. Me and the majority of my computing class have already began switching to various flavours of Linux.

[Dautin]

Before installing windows 10 I read the entire EULA. They did not mention all of the extra 'spying' functionality which is being discovered now. Technically illegal imo and MS has lost every last ounce of my trust. Me and the majority of my computing class have already began switching to various flavours of Linux.

 

I have not read the EULA, I assumed that it would be in there.  That is very interesting.  I agree with you then, that does seem Illegal.  

[Speedbird]

Before installing windows 10 I read the entire EULA. They did not mention all of the extra 'spying' functionality which is being discovered now. Technically illegal imo and MS has lost every last ounce of my trust. Me and the majority of my computing class have already began switching to various flavours of Linux.

What extra spying is not mentioned in the EULA? Do you mean the ones that do not exist and are just misunderstandings of the Microsoft Services Agreement blown up by mainstream media?

[burnttoastnice]

What extra spying is not mentioned in the EULA? Do you mean the ones that do not exist and are just misunderstandings of the Microsoft Services Agreement blown up by mainstream media?

 

The EULA was ridiculously short and did not even mention Microsoft collecting all typed keyboard input by default. There was an option to opt out of the "Make Windows Better" rubbish (this programme makes no sense anymore, since MS now has the 'insiders' as data prostitutes, no offence ) on the pre-install screen, but no options provided to disable the keyboard input collection as well as other various privacy switches in that control panel section.

 

 

I use both the on screen keyboard (with my graphics tablet occasionally) as well as my physical keyboard, so either way MS definitely have some of my passwords >_> all of which I have changed by now. I have also enabled extensive logging on my home network so I can keep a close eye on what MS is doing to my laptop. As much as the Windows 10 UI looks good, there will be some features I'll miss (such as running windows apps on the desktop like a normal program) as well as the new redesigned start menu - but I can't settle for something I have miniscule control over. Microsoft didn't even include the group policy editor, and it takes more than just a few registry tweaks to get control over your system. Group Policy Editor was on my system before the upgrade, and now it just says the application isn't found. Sideloading GPE doesn't work as it just throws a different error and closes.

 

Some of the spyware that MS has included in Windows 10 may or may not be on purpose, some may be just left in from the testing - but the fact that they are still there is raising eyebrows. If MS is collecting data from my system, depending on what it is (things like how long I use my system & what programs I use while it's on is fine as long as they make clear the extent of data that is actually being collected) but currently their choice on collecting a wide range of data under an 'improvement programme/make windows better' is just unacceptable. Google collects data, quite a lot of it and quite frequently - but they actually let you know what is happening and when it's happening(in my case). A frequent example would be the notification popup on my phone when they are updating my location on Google Now, and Android Device Manager. I am able to access that location data under my Google account when I log in from a computer. Google also collects information on what articles I like to read (You set these manually at the start, then google's prediction takes over), as well as YouTube channels I watch frequently (Some people may find these intrusive) and deliver suggested content via notifications or Google Now. I have left the features on as I find the suggested content to be of my interest. These can however be turned off in both YouTube settings and Google Now settings.

 

Straight blue line down the middle caused by other devices logged into the same account in different places

 

As far as I have seen, MS doesn't allow a user to pick what extent of data can be shared, or even allow the user to access that data at a given time - maybe that user may want to view their browsing habits, or view what programs they use often. I personally prefer Windows 8.1 because I've been using it since the early developer preview and I have a licensed key for the pro version that I haven't used yet - I'm planning on dual booting that as a secondary OS alongside Elementary Linux.

 

I'm personally the kind of person who likes to know the guts of how something works, or I simply won't trust it. Windows 10 appears to have so much going on behind the scenes that it's ridiculous. My hard drive was never being consumed 90% of the time by rundll32 when I was running Windows 8.1. Only since moving to Windows 10, my hard drive is literally always ticking away with rundll32 being the culprit. For those wondering, rundll32 is Microsoft's program used to run system applications, such as windows background updates and the win98-style personalisation panel. I would be scared to use Windows 10 on an SSD. It does way too much reading and writing pointlessly to the storage drive. The majority of the time I check resource manager, the System process is having a peek at Firefox's 300MB data cache folder (I don't know why at all, Windows 8.1 never used to do this - and Firefox accesses that data in resource manager under it's own process name - and I disabled Windows Search...). I think you generally get the idea of what I'm getting at.

 

In my opinion, Windows 10 is great for casual home users who don't want to worry about their computer getting infected or compromised - at the loss of effective control over settings for power users. For me personally, that control loss is a deal breaker. Had I waited a bit longer for before upgrading to Windows 10 I wouldn't have done it at all. I have enough difficulty fighting with Windows Update preventing it from installing shitty generic drivers instead of ASUS's official ones. When Windows updated my touchpad driver to some ELAN bullshit, I noticed the change immediately. Scrolling, moving the mouse around and even just clicking things felt laggy and lifeless. Device manager even has built-in functionality to select your own drivers to be used on a device, in my case I use generic drivers for my laptop speakers - just because they support a wider frequency range compared to the Realtek drivers, and it have a bunch of enhancements including Bass Boost, which is shitty on the realtek driver. Despite manually selecting that driver about 3 times already, Windows Update insists I use Realtek drivers. To be honest, I haven't restarted my laptop for weeks - simply because no restart = no driver update. Shutdown for me means either hibernate or sleep.

 

Anyways, before my response which turned into a rant goes too far from the original point, I'll just end it here.

[Boink]

One of my teachers asked me to upgrade her computer yesterday because it is running very slow. When I told her that part of the reason could be viruses and malware, though component age is a major factor, she said viruses wouldn't be a problem because she has several antivirus programs...

*facepalm*

[Frankie]

One of my teachers asked me to upgrade her computer yesterday because it is running very slow. When I told her that part of the reason could be viruses and malware, though component age is a major factor, she said viruses wouldn't be a problem because she has several antivirus programs...

*facepalm*

 

Give those people examples, sometimes it helps.

 

You are basically saying that because you have airbags, you can't get into accident. When you are lucky and not talking to a complete ignoramus something switches and they understand.

[Fgtfv567]

One of my teachers asked me to upgrade her computer yesterday because it is running very slow. When I told her that part of the reason could be viruses and malware, though component age is a major factor, she said viruses wouldn't be a problem because she has several antivirus programs...

*facepalm*

The irony here is that I actually installed 3 adblocks that will hog up my ram, but I still recommend people not get multiple antivirus programs

[WkdPaul]

The irony here is that I actually installed 3 adblocks that will hog up my ram, but I still recommend people not get multiple antivirus programs

[KingKeith55]

So this kid in my school thinks he knows a lot about building PC's, and he said he built one for a friend. I asked the specs. Anyways, he's either lying or made a huge mistake.

 

He said that he got his friend an AMD A6 (He might have meant FX 6300, either way who knows.) And an R9 Fury. Also a Micro ATX motherboard for overclocking.

 

He said that it wouldn't bottleneck at all, after I said "Dude thats not a good idea, the GPU is going to be bottlenecked really badly by the CPU" He just replied with no you're wrong and kept trying to fight what I said. It was pretty funny.

 

What do you think about this?

 

Any things like this happen to you?

[Emanuel_M]

So this kid in my school thinks he knows a lot about building PC's, and he said he built one for a friend. I asked the specs. Anyways, he's either lying or made a huge mistake.

He said that he got his friend an AMD A6 (He might have meant FX 6300, either way who knows.) And an R9 Fury. Also a Micro ATX motherboard for overclocking.

He said that it wouldn't bottleneck at all, after I said "Dude thats not a good idea, the GPU is going to be bottlenecked really badly by the CPU" He just replied with no you're wrong and kept trying to fight what I said. It was pretty funny.

What do you think about this?

Any things like this happen to you?

there is an amd a6 apu

[Interfectorem]

He might've meant the AMD A6 series APU's

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113282

[Raytsou]

I have a friend that has an exact opposite bottleneck. He bought a prebuilt with an i7-5820k and a r9 270x.

[PlayStation 2]

There's pissing people off with ridiculous bottlenecks then there's this.

[XTankSlayerX]

There are people who could use a little more knowledge and less ignorance out there...

What I think?

Move on, not your money, not your PC, not your issue.

[Fgtfv567]

FX-6300 or A6 APU, either way, it will seriously bottleneck the Fury

[comicsansms]

Some kid was getting a skylake build just so he could get really high frequency memory.

I told him, "No, that makes no difference in gaming" and he said "Yes it does"

and it wasn't even his computer he was making!

 

(He is also known as the person to ask about computers)

[PlayStation 2]

Some kid was getting a skylake build just so he could get really high frequency memory.

I told him, "No, that makes no difference in gaming" and he said "Yes it does"

and it wasn't even his computer he was making!

 

(He is also known as the person to ask about computers)

I love ignorant people when they realize their computer is shit.

It pisses me off greatly, too. Oh well, can't have the good without the bad.

[TheKDub]

Another case of "Ignorance is bliss" 

 

Guess people will never learn...

[Ostwind]

Happens, when those types refuse to listen I just leave them to wallow in their ignorance. Mainly because of the chance that I get to see the backlash that can result from them helping someone and that person finding out that their "expert" didnt know what they were talking about and made them waste money. When it happens it always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

[Yoinkerman]

idk why people insist on belittling others when they're trying to share their accomplishments

[comicsansms]

I love ignorant people when they realize their computer is shit.

It pisses me off greatly, too. Oh well, can't have the good without the bad.

He does know a fair bit, but he fakes it a lot too.

He was going to get a new motherboard for a Core2 Duo laptop! (Waste of $100)