AMD reports Threadripper 2990 is upto 50% faster than the Intel 7980

[Master Disaster]

AMD were shouting from the rooftops (though the page has been removed) about their new TR chip being the fastest chip in the world right now, they claim it's 50% faster than the competitors HEDT offering (remember folks, always wait for independent benchmarks before making a judgement)

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In the official transcript posted over at AMD’s France webpage, the Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX is listed as the most powerful desktop processor in the world. It’s without a doubt the beefiest CPU to make its way in the HEDT market so AMD’s claims hold lots of weight to it. Following is the excerpt from the now removed/updated section of the webpage which listed the performance numbers:

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Tests performed by AMD Performance laboratories on 26/06/2018 on the following system. The configurations may vary by PC manufacturer, and give different results. The results may vary depending on the driver versions used. Test setup: TR4 motherboard with AMD “Whitehaven” socket X399 + AMD Ryzen ™ Threadripper ™ 2990WX + Gigabyte X299 AORUS Gaming 9 + Intel Core i9-7980XE.

 

Both systems feature a GeForce GTX 1080 graphics card (driver 24.21.13.9793), 4 x 8 GB DDR4-3200, Windows 10 x64 Pro (RS3), Samsung 850 Pro SSD. “Power” is defined as computing power as represented by the Cinebench R15 processor benchmark.

According to AMDs internal testing, the TR score 5099.3 points on Cinebench while the I9 scores 3335.2, simple math shows that to be a 53% improvement.

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The results were compiled in late June on an X399 testbed which was running one of the early samples. The final results were that the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX system scored about 5009.3 points while the Intel Core i9-7980XE system scored around 3335.2 points. This is a 53% performance lead for the AMD system and knowing how early this score is from, we can only expect the final retail chips to perform even better.

• AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX Cinebench R15: 5099.3 Points
• Intel Core i9-7980XE Cinebench R15: 3335.2 Points

The new TR 2990 is expected to have a base clock of 3Ghz with a 4Ghz boost and a +200Mhz overdrive for single core workloads.

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The AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX will rock 32 cores and 64 threads that eclipses Intel’s halo product which will sport 28 cores and 56 threads. The chip is expected to feature a base clock of 3.0 GHz and a maximum boost clock of 4.0 GHz while the precision boost overdrive clocks are rated at +200 MHz so expect up to 4.20 GHz in single core optimized workloads. This shows that AMD can still achieve very high clock speeds even when they jumped to twice as many cores as their previous flagship, the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X.

If these results are independently verified then the TR chip really does seem like quite the bargain, based on 12nm, 14 more cores, 28 more threads, cheaper and still able to achieve faster clocks. Oh dear Intel.

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When compared to the Core i9-7980XE, the Ryzen Threadripper 2990X at $1799 US offers a better architecture based on a 12nm process, 14 more cores, 28 more threads and for $200 less since the i9 costs a grand $2000 US. Comparing it to the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X, we get 16 more cores, 32 more threads, and faster clocks at $800 US more. Given these prices, it would be another great product for the high-end market and put Intel’s HEDT in a lot of trouble which can cost in excess of $2000 US considering their new platform and Xeon Platinum prices.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-crushes-intel-core-i9-7980xe-cinebench-benchmark/

 

AMD really aren't fucking around any more, they've smelled blood and seem to be going for the jugular. Again though, please wait for these numbers to be verified independently although the gap is so large that even if AMD are embellishing a bit the gap is still going to be huge.

[NelizMastr]

Chipzilla is getting a pummeling. We as consumers benefit from this, so I can't do anything but applaud the efforts of what was previously Awfully Mediocre Devices.

[D13H4RD]

Still pretty early so we'll have to wait.

 

If this pans out though, Intel really needs to respond. AMD is not playing around anymore. Maybe their SVP, which just happens to be Jim Keller might have a plan. 

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Still pretty early so we'll have to wait.

 

If this pans out though, Intel really needs to respond. AMD is not playing around anymore. Maybe their SVP, which just happens to be Jim Keller might have a plan. 

Keller is a CPU architect, he's the best in the business but anything he can do is literally years away.

 

Intel are stuck at a higher node than AMD and that's going to be the case for a good few years.

 

I'm struggling to see how Intel can respond to this.

[NelizMastr]

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I'm struggling to see how Intel can respond to this.

In regard to threadripper I doubt they really need to.

 

It's a very small segment with low yields, low sales, just high profit per sale, much like server gear. Unless TR2 can close the clock speed gap, there's still quite a use case for the lower core higher speed Core-X lineup.

[GoldenLag]

Let the leacher leach!

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

In regard to threadripper I doubt they really need to.

 

It's a very small segment with low yields, low sales, just high profit per sale, much like server gear. Unless TR2 can close the clock speed gap, there's still quite a use case for the lower core higher speed Core-X lineup.

Tbh, threadripper is more about mindshare than marketshare and profits. Just look at the boxes they come in. The newest box can literally be used as a case

[GoldenLag]

8 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

It's a very small segment with low yields, low sales, just high profit per sale, much like server gear. Unless TR2 can close the clock speed gap, there's still quite a use case for the lower core higher speed Core-X lineup.

Do the 7980XE have that much of a clockspeed advantage? Even when overclocked, very few go past 4.2 ghz. (At least according to what ive heard).

 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Do the 7980XE have that much of a clockspeed advantage? Even when overclocked, very few go past 4.2 ghz. (At least according to what ive heard).

 

with good chips that use low voltage and cooling system with 2 360mm radiators, 7980XE at 4.8GHz isnt impossible to sustain

[NelizMastr]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Do the 7980XE have that much of a clockspeed advantage? Even when overclocked, very few go past 4.2 ghz. (At least according to what ive heard).

 

Just saying that the 2990 shouldn't be like 2.6 base and maybe 3.4 turbo or something like that. IPC is more or less the same, though. And overclocking isn't really the selling point of this segment, that's just enthusiasts, not the real thread rippers that want stability

[Kukielka]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Do the 7980XE have that much of a clockspeed advantage? Even when overclocked, very few go past 4.2 ghz. (At least according to what ive heard).

 

I've run a 7980XE at 4,6ghz @ 1,147v all cores stable.

It was binned and delidded tho.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

with good chips that use low voltage and cooling system with 2 360mm radiators, 7980XE at 4.8GHz isnt impossible to sustain

Indeed, but as far as ive heard, those a very much golden samples. Remember, this isnt 14++ (in which case i wouldnt be surprised by 4,6-8 ghz). This is 14+ in a very large chip. 

 

Still a very impressive chips imo. Its ability to have high core clocks (even only at a few cores) is very nice

[Dabombinable]

21 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Keller is a CPU architect, he's the best in the business but anything he can do is literally years away.

 

Intel are stuck at a higher node than AMD and that's going to be the case for a good few years.

 

I'm struggling to see how Intel can respond to this.

They'll probably respond in a similar way when Pentium III 500 were coming into existence. Have the fabs barely manage to churn out anything and be 6+ months behind:
http://www.redhill.net.au/c/c-f.html

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Kukielka said:

I've run a 7980XE at 4,6ghz @ 1,147v all cores stable.

It was binned and delidded tho.

Delidding and high end cooling is a must on these high wattage CPUs if you are gonna overclock. 

 

This goes for TR aswell, you just skip the first part. Didnt binned 1950x's go to 4,2?  Though at very high voltage. Like "it will die in a year or two" voltage

[Kukielka]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Delidding and high end cooling is a must on these high wattage CPUs if you are gonna overclock. 

 

This goes for TR aswell, you just skip the first part. Didnt binned 1950x's go to 4,2?  Though at very high voltage. Like "it will die in a year or two" voltage

Pretty much all 1950X can do 4,2ghz. TR / Ryzen are fairly "lottery-free", you cannot overclock them much over stock tho and they don't really respond to voltage at all unless you go -100°C.

[Master Disaster]

14 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Just saying that the 2990 shouldn't be like 2.6 base and maybe 3.4 turbo or something like that. IPC is more or less the same, though. And overclocking isn't really the selling point of this segment, that's just enthusiasts, not the real thread rippers that want stability

Hang on, I missed a paragraph from the article in the OP

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The chip is expected to feature a base clock of 3.0 GHz and a maximum boost clock of 4.0 GHz while the precision boost overdrive clocks are rated at +200 MHz so expect up to 4.20 GHz in single core optimized workloads

I'll add that in now.

[vanished]

32 cores vs 18 with similar clockspeeds and maybe 10% in IPC between them (or less)?  Sounds about right to me.  Not shocking in the least really.

[Jurrunio]

14 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Indeed, but as far as ive heard, those a very much golden samples. Remember, this isnt 14++ (in which case i wouldnt be surprised by 4,6-8 ghz). This is 14+ in a very large chip. 

 

Still a very impressive chips imo. Its ability to have high core clocks (even only at a few cores) is very nice

Yeah, need a lot of things to be in the right way for 7980XE to run 4.8. Buying and overclocking 7980XE itself is plenty crazy from the start, even if it gets nowhere near 4.8GHz

[cj09beira]

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Hang on, I missed a paragraph from the article in the OP

I'll add that in now.

going from the results it should have a 3.4ghz all core turbo, and if i am not mistaken the max boost clock is for 1 core per ccx so this might have 8 cores boosting to 4.2ghz

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

32 cores vs 18 with similar clockspeeds and maybe 10% in IPC between them (or less)?  Sounds about right to me.  Not shocking in the least really.

It's not the result I'm shocked by, it's how quickly AMD seemed to have leapfrogged Intel and the fact Intel don't seem to have any way of responding to this.

 

I think we all knew Ryzen would shake things up but I didn't think it would have this kind of impact. Maybe that was just me being naive?

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

going from the results it should have a 3.4ghz all core turbo

Might be 3.6 with IPC hit from Leach mode. Though it is probably 3.4 as Cinebench isnt the most memmory intensive workload

[vanished]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

It's not the result I'm shocked by, it's how quickly AMD seemed to have leapfrogged Intel and the fact Intel don't seem to have any way of responding to this.

 

I think we all knew Ryzen would shake things up but I didn't think it would have this kind of impact. Maybe that was just me being naive?

Doesn't Intel have a 28 core "enthusiast" chip now (as in not server)?  The one from the chiller fiasco?  If so, AMD should really be comparing to that, otherwise we should be taking the 7980 vs 1950X.  If not, where is it and what was even the point of that demo?

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

It's not the result I'm shocked by, it's how quickly AMD seemed to have leapfrogged Intel and the fact Intel don't seem to have any way of responding to this.

 

I think we all knew Ryzen would shake things up but I didn't think it would have this kind of impact. Maybe that was just me being naive?

Intel is working on a type of chiplet design. Though not as modular as Ryzen. Seems like they are planning on doing different CPU components at different nodes. Allowing them to have better yields since the entire chip doesnt have to be 10nm

[kingmustard]

I should think it's faster. The Core i9-7980XE was released in September 2017; almost a year ago.

[vanished]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

Intel is working on a type of chiplet design. Though not as modular as Ryzen. Seems like they are planning on doing different CPU components at different nodes. Allowing them to have better yields since the entire chip doesnt have to be 10nm

I think it's time for something new.  I don't know if sandy bridge was technically a big change vs what came before or not but everyone thinks of it that way and for good reason.  Just like Ryzen vs FX, etc.  I feel like it's just been small increments since Sandy on the Intel side and yeah it's time for another leap.