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[Captainmarino]

Even F@H is getting into the spirit. It is what the holidays are all about...

 

[RollinLower]

Pleasantly surprised with the PPD this 3090 spits out:

This does not align with the Linux numbers for the PPD database by @LAR_Systemsthough. I wish there was a way to add to the DB with a headless system.

[LAR_Systems]

1 hour ago, RollinLower said:

Pleasantly surprised with the PPD this 3090 spits out:

This does not align with the Linux numbers for the PPD database by @LAR_Systemsthough. I wish there was a way to add to the DB with a headless system.

I'm working on it

[Gorgon]

On 12/24/2022 at 9:37 AM, RollinLower said:

Pleasantly surprised with the PPD this 3090 spits out:

This does not align with the Linux numbers for the PPD database by @LAR_Systemsthough. I wish there was a way to add to the DB with a headless system.

SSH Port re-direction to a windows system will work:

But then you knew that

[justpoet]

Happy New Fold everybody!

[GOTSpectrum]

 

[IkeaGnome]

Happy new years all. 
 

Finally got around to doing some clean up. 
 

Spoiler

 

[BondiBlue]

TL;DR: A previously dead 2070 Super is now working perfectly for Folding@home, and I'm super excited about it (get it?).

 

Well, this is exciting. I don't know how long it's going to last, but for right now I have a functional RTX 2070 Super that I can dedicate entirely to Folding@home. This is one of two "dead" cards I bought from eBay several months ago (the other one being a dead RTX 2080 Ti 11GB), and I honestly don't know why it is working right now. 

 

I bought these two cards from the same eBay seller as broken, mostly just to mess around with and see if I could get lucky with a quick repair or something. Both cards are HP OEM models with blower coolers. The 2080 Ti has more issues, and it's still not functional. The 2070 Super has been sitting on a shelf for a few months, and when I shelved it all of the issues it had were still present. Windows would lock up when the Nvidia driver loaded most of the time, and if it didn't lock up there would be artifacts all over the screen. Running any sort of stressful workload on it (FurMark, F@h, games, etc.) would cause it to lock up. All of the issues seemed to point to bad VRAM when I initially tested it. 

 

Jump forward to this past Thursday. I finally got around to replacing the stupid EVGA power supply in my office PC with a much nicer Corsair unit (RM750 fully modular), and while working on that I decided to swap out the old RX 570s in that computer for something different. The main GPU I installed is a 6GB GTX 1660 Ti that I bought brand new for $75, and I was going to install a Sapphire RX 580 as the secondary GPU to be used for Folding@home. For some reason I decided to give the "dead" RTX 2070 Super another shot, so I installed it alongside the 1660 Ti. I connected all the power cables, connected some peripherals to the computer, and fired it up. The 2070 Super is now working!

 

I've been running Folding@home on it for over 40 hours now with no signs of crashing or instability. The card is drawing around 200W and temps are steady around 82° or so. I don't know why it's working when previously it wasn't working, but it's a 2070 Super so I'm not complaining. It's getting around 2.7 million PPD, which is a bit more than the regular RTX 2070 that I use in my main computer. Here's a screenshot from yesterday showing the details of the card (click for full resolution):

 

[Gorgon]

Apparently I'm supposed to post when I hit this Rank.

 

Hard to believe just a little over 4 years ago ...

 

We've all come a long way.

[BondiBlue]

Quick Monday morning update regarding the zombie RTX 2070 Super that I've been folding with for the past few days. It's been over 90 hours since I first got this card running, and apart from being shut down for a couple hours at one point this thing has been folding continuously. So far it hasn't skipped a beat, even with the power limit raised to 114% using MSI Afterburner. I still don't understand why this card is running when just a few months ago it would crash under ANY intensive load at all. I'm certainly not going to complain about the points it's getting though!

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, BondiBlue said:

Quick Monday morning update regarding the zombie RTX 2070 Super that I've been folding with for the past few days. It's been over 90 hours since I first got this card running, and apart from being shut down for a couple hours at one point this thing has been folding continuously. So far it hasn't skipped a beat, even with the power limit raised to 114% using MSI Afterburner. I still don't understand why this card is running when just a few months ago it would crash under ANY intensive load at all. I'm certainly not going to complain about the points it's getting though!

I've had some weird stuff like that in the past, though mainly with audio, rf, RAM, or IPMI insert cards.  It almost always came down to either a wonky connection/connector (maybe your swapping things was enough to wiggle it "right"), junk that built up on the board (static type dust traces that show up on top...by far the most common, even in kids electronic toys), or something like a reflow/bake being needed.

[BondiBlue]

21 hours ago, justpoet said:

I've had some weird stuff like that in the past, though mainly with audio, rf, RAM, or IPMI insert cards.  It almost always came down to either a wonky connection/connector (maybe your swapping things was enough to wiggle it "right"), junk that built up on the board (static type dust traces that show up on top...by far the most common, even in kids electronic toys), or something like a reflow/bake being needed.

I've had plenty of components start working again in the past, but I've never personally experienced something this extreme. The card was essentially dead when I last tested it. I couldn't raise the resolution above 1024x768 without getting lots of artifacts on screen, I couldn't get the Nvidia driver to load most of the time, and when I could get the driver to load it would lock up if I ran any sort of GPU workload aside from 2D tasks. Even when installed as the secondary GPU in a computer it was still unusable, so I couldn't even use it as a Folding@home card. 

 

But now it's working, and I can even connect displays to it and run them at high resolutions without getting any sort of artifacts on screen. I didn't do any physical work to this card in the time since I last tested it. For nearly 4 months it just sat on a shelf doing nothing until I installed it in my office PC last week. It went from crashing and locking up in multiple computers to now being able to handle a full F@h workload for days on end with an increased power limit. Weird. 

 

I was planning to reflow this card at some point (I still plan to do that with the even more broken 2080 Ti), mostly because I've had success with it in the past. 

[Mxyzptlk]

Curious, just installed a 4070ti and I use MSI Afterburner to monitor the power usage as well as using MSI to power limit it too.

I have no power limit active, but the card is only using ~70% (200 watts) of the power rating for the card (285 watts). I have no PPD data to compare this card too and have only run 2 WU's on it so far... averaging ~8.5MPPD. The first WU was 18448 and the second WU is 18449.

I have run a quite few other cards and have never noticed this behavior before. Usually a card with no power limit runs at 100% of power while folding. Typically I power limit at around 70-80% to save some power without sacrificing a bunch of PPD for sciencing...


(I also use EVGA Precision X1 and confirmed the same that I found in Afterburner)

[Gorgon]

37 minutes ago, Mxyzptlk said:

Curious, just installed a 4070ti and I use MSI Afterburner to monitor the power usage as well as using MSI to power limit it too.

I have no power limit active, but the card is only using ~70% (200 watts) of the power rating for the card (285 watts). I have no PPD data to compare this card too and have only run 2 WU's on it so far... averaging ~8.5MPPD. The first WU was 18448 and the second WU is 18449.

I have run a quite few other cards and have never noticed this behavior before. Usually a card with no power limit runs at 100% of power while folding. Typically I power limit at around 70-80% to save some power without sacrificing a bunch of PPD for sciencing...


(I also use EVGA Precision X1 and confirmed the same that I found in Afterburner)

If it is running at 100% CUDA utilization then I wouldn't worry. If that is the case then the power rating is likely overly optimistic. Though my 3080s pull between 180 and 216W folding at 1440MHz and will draw much more if I let them boost at the default power targets.

 

Also check in GPU-Z to see if it's hitting a Voltage, Power or Temperature limit.

 

Ada seems to be another big jump in efficiency over Turing but I'm waiting until the prices better reflect reality.

[Mxyzptlk]

6 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

If it is running at 100% CUDA utilization then I wouldn't worry. If that is the case then the power rating is likely overly optimistic. Though my 3080s pull between 180 and 216W folding at 1440MHz and will draw much more if I let them boost at the default power targets.

 

Also check in GPU-Z to see if it's hitting a Voltage, Power or Temperature limit.

 

Ada seems to be another big jump in efficiency over Turing but I'm waiting until the prices better reflect reality.

I'll check that out tomorrow using GPU-Z. However the Temps are fine at 51-53C, so it shouldn't be that...

[NetoriusNick]

my fellow protein  contortionists,
I might be looking for something that is not there. Is there a management program that can set a finish time per slot and using a predictive estimate(likely last x number of WU) decide if the device should fold another one or just finish and wait.

 

[Gorgon]

5 hours ago, NetoriusNick said:

my fellow protein  contortionists,
I might be looking for something that is not there. Is there a management program that can set a finish time per slot and using a predictive estimate(likely last x number of WU) decide if the device should fold another one or just finish and wait.

Under Windows you can use Task Scheduler with an Action:

Program/Script: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient\FAHClient.exe"
Argument: --send-finish [Slot Number]

Under Linux crontab can be used:

15 5 * * 1-5 /usr/bin/FAHClient --send-finish 0
00 6 * * 1-5 /usr/bin/FAHClient --send-finish 1

The above sets Slot 0 to finish at 05:15 Mondays through Fridays and Slot 1 at 06:00

 

As for the predictive part, to the best of my knowledge no such program exists but using HfM.net history you can get an idea of typical duration of WUs on a given GPU. For example, if the average GPU WU takes 3 hours to complete I would set the slot to Finish 1 1/2 hours (half the duration) before the desired average finish time.

[BondiBlue]

Update on the RTX 3080 that I used for Folding Month 2022: it's dead. Earlier today it finally failed for good, and all it does now is output a small line of blue dots. Windows still sees it, and it still shows up in GPU-Z and MSI Afterburner, but nothing can make use of it. Telling Folding@home to run on the 3080 for some reason uses the 2070 instead, despite the slot for the 2070 being paused. GPU-Z can't show any information about the memory on the 3080, and it also won't show any of the sensor output for temperatures or power draw. Device Manager shows that it's installed and says that it's working correctly, but Task Manager shows values of zero for everything. RIP RTX 3080 12GB. 

 

Gigabyte approved the RMA I requested over two months ago, but they haven't gotten back to me with any shipping information. I've reached out to their support but haven't heard back yet. 

 

On a more positive note the 2070 Super that came back to life over a week ago is still running perfectly in my office PC. It's been running F@h nearly continuously without any problems. 

[dogwitch]

15 hours ago, BondiBlue said:

Update on the RTX 3080 that I used for Folding Month 2022: it's dead. Earlier today it finally failed for good, and all it does now is output a small line of blue dots. Windows still sees it, and it still shows up in GPU-Z and MSI Afterburner, but nothing can make use of it. Telling Folding@home to run on the 3080 for some reason uses the 2070 instead, despite the slot for the 2070 being paused. GPU-Z can't show any information about the memory on the 3080, and it also won't show any of the sensor output for temperatures or power draw. Device Manager shows that it's installed and says that it's working correctly, but Task Manager shows values of zero for everything. RIP RTX 3080 12GB. 

 

Gigabyte approved the RMA I requested over two months ago, but they haven't gotten back to me with any shipping information. I've reached out to their support but haven't heard back yet. 

 

On a more positive note the 2070 Super that came back to life over a week ago is still running perfectly in my office PC. It's been running F@h nearly continuously without any problems. 

sorry to hear.

i tried 1 other thing. but the asrock mining board. simple wont work. gpu is fine.power to cooler fan fine.

but it will not display anything what so ever and it will spin up for a sec then shut down.

i did do some digging.

there is no way to fix it. its a fault in pcb layers.

[vsteel]

On 1/9/2023 at 9:06 AM, BondiBlue said:

Quick Monday morning update regarding the zombie RTX 2070 Super that I've been folding with for the past few days. It's been over 90 hours since I first got this card running, and apart from being shut down for a couple hours at one point this thing has been folding continuously. So far it hasn't skipped a beat, even with the power limit raised to 114% using MSI Afterburner. I still don't understand why this card is running when just a few months ago it would crash under ANY intensive load at all. I'm certainly not going to complain about the points it's getting though!

I had that happen to me once and I traced it down to a bad power supply cable.  One of the 8 pins going to the GPU.

[Gorgon]

 

[justpoet]

Seems like something GN would approve of too, knowing their deep affiliation with Cat Angels.

[Alucard789]

How do you join the team because there is no join button just the ID? Thank ya'll in advance

[IkeaGnome]

12 minutes ago, Alucard789 said:

How do you join the team because there is no join button just the ID? Thank ya'll in advance

If you're using the web client, change your identity and set team ID to 223518. If you're using advance view, it's settings>Identity, team number.

 

Don't forget your passkeys. They make a big difference.

Welcome to the team!

[Alucard789]

2 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

If you're using the web client, change your identity and set team ID to 223518. If you're using advance view, it's settings>Identity, team number.

 

Don't forget your passkeys. They make a big difference.

Welcome to the team!

Thank you very much I will add it