RTG Raja's going on a break, Lisa Su is stepping in for the next few months

[MEC-777]

1 hour ago, nicolas2465 said:

Can AMD just fire the entire team that makes the gaming radeon cards and hire some ex-Nvidia employees or something?  The CPU team did awesome with Ryzen.  They need a team like that for Radeon.  AMD GPUs are a fucking mess.  I'd never recommend their cards at this point

Their GPUs are not a mess. They are "competitive". The whole situation is a mess. Marketing and hype which built high expectations vs reality is also part of the problem. 

 

The whole mining situation has just thrown a wrench into the mix for AMD and I don't think they quite know what to do about it because it's really frustrating for their loyal gaming customers, yet they're getting the sales they desperately need for revenue.  

[The Benjamins]

2 hours ago, nicolas2465 said:

Can AMD just fire the entire team that makes the gaming radeon cards and hire some ex-Nvidia employees or something?  The CPU team did awesome with Ryzen.  They need a team like that for Radeon.  AMD GPUs are a fucking mess.  I'd never recommend their cards at this point

You do know it takes ~3 years to see how leadership change effects products like CPU/GPUs

 

Raja has been in AMD for 2 years, it is said that Navi is going to be the first GPU he worked on start to finish. and note it took 4 years to get Ryzen out the door.

 

If they fired the team and started new expect the 3-4 years of 0 new innovative products. at least we are getting some upgrades as they work on Navi.

[Space Reptile]

17 hours ago, YongKang said:

Well, that's odd.

ceos arent allowed breaks and must work 24/7 

[samcool55]

2 hours ago, Sniperfox47 said:

Sadly AMD kinda made that relevantish for gamers with having games optimized for Rapid Packed Math on Vega. The deep learning stuff is mostly about FP16 and FP8 throughput, which is what RPM is all about too.

 

Not all of the Deep Learning stuff they cut out for the consumer cards is relevant, but enough of it is that we'll likely either see them ignore RPM at the cost of a few fps in certain games, or (less likely) keep the full throughput fp16 hardware in the consumer chips, at the risk of canibalizing other markets.

Imo that's a good thing. If it is already in the GPU, can be enabled and improve performance, why not? AMD doesn't really care about risking cannibalizing their own market, threadripper and epyc proves this point. It's something like this that can force (in this case) Nvidia do enable some pro-grade stuff on their cpu again and take a (in)direct hit on their pro-grade market.

 

For consumers stuff has been going relatively well but nvidia ruined FP16 and FP64 performance really hard on everything that's not a quadro since the titan X (maxwell).

But then again the high-end nvidia cards are still much faster than Vega in gaming... I guess it will be an interesting battle in the lower-end of the professional market.

[Brooksie359]

17 hours ago, Okjoek said:

I mean I guess there's a chance nVIDIA would fall into the same position that Intel did and then get blindsided by a miracle like Ryzen. But I personally think nVIDIA is a much bigger mountain to climb than Intel.

The problem is that nvidia has made good performance improvements in their gpus generation over generation regardless of competition while Intel stagnated. Nvidia will likely continue to do this and the only thing they are doing as the result of lack of competition is waiting to release volta which is good for both companies in all honesty.

[Trixanity]

TIL tech companies are like sports teams. Things not looking so good? Sack the manager. 

[jasonc_01]

There is an internal letter in RTG that was leaked. He said he is taking a break to spend time with his family until December, him and Lisa thought Q4 was the best time to do so.

 

RTG's inception was probably a serious grind over the last couple years, probably hasnt had much time for family. Or its an ill family member.

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[NumLock21]

I stole this pic of Raja on vacation!

 

[Trik'Stari]

Personally, I find Vega a complete disappointment, I find the lack of a 590 to be a disappointment, I think Raja needs to go.

[Humbug]

Sounds like he's just taking some time off to be with this family.

 

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At the beginning of the year I warned that Vega would be hard. At the time, some folks didn’t believe me. Now many of you understand what I said. Vega was indeed hard on many, and my sincere heartfelt thanks to all of you who endured the Vega journey with me. Vega was personally hard on me as well and I used up a lot of family credits during this journey. I have decided to take a time-off in Q4 to spend time with my family. I have been contemplating this for a while now and there was never a good time to do this. Lisa and I agreed that Q4 is better than 2018, before the next wave of product excitement.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11836/raja-koduri-sabbatical

[cj09beira]

9 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Personally, I find Vega a complete disappointment, I find the lack of a 590 to be a disappointment, I think Raja needs to go.

vega 11 (polaris replacement) is coming soonish, and vega is crazy fast in most prosumer workloads, and seeing how nvidea always sold better even when they have dog shit as a product (gtx260) its a good call to focus on the markets that have better informed people and have higher profits per card

[Trik'Stari]

12 hours ago, cj09beira said:

vega 11 (polaris replacement) is coming soonish, and vega is crazy fast in most prosumer workloads, and seeing how nvidea always sold better even when they have dog shit as a product (gtx260) its a good call to focus on the markets that have better informed people and have higher profits per card

I'm a gamer, I don't care in the slightest about prosumer workloads or those markets.

 

I want competition, and they basically aren't competing. They don't even seem to be trying in my opinion. It seems more like they're still drinking their own koolaid and eating glue in the corner, while Nvidia does whatever the fuck it wants.

[Hybris5112]

3 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'm a gamer, I don't care in the slightest about prosumer workloads or those markets.

 

I want competition, and they basically aren't competing. They don't even seem to be trying in my opinion. It seems more like they're still drinking their own koolaid and eating glue in the corner, while Nvidia does whatever the fuck it wants.

It was this exact point that made jump ship after 15 years of ATI/AND cards. I had bought a high end 7970 and thought I could wait out the "value" silliness that the 400 and 500 series cards were for Vega, I even went so far that when I needed a replacement monitor I got one with Freesync.

 

But Vega wasn't the replacement for my 7970 that I had hoped for and do when a lightning strike fried my card I bought a 1080 ti.

 

I'm increasingly disgusted with AMD both on cpu and gpu sides because of their "value" based strategies at the cost of raw performance in consumer use, but everyone and their mother seems to bend over backwards trying to sing their praises as the 2nd coming. /rant

[cj09beira]

6 hours ago, Hybris5112 said:

It was this exact point that made jump ship after 15 years of ATI/AND cards. I had bought a high end 7970 and thought I could wait out the "value" silliness that the 400 and 500 series cards were for Vega, I even went so far that when I needed a replacement monitor I got one with Freesync.

 

But Vega wasn't the replacement for my 7970 that I had hoped for and do when a lightning strike fried my card I bought a 1080 ti.

 

I'm increasingly disgusted with AMD both on cpu and gpu sides because of their "value" based strategies at the cost of raw performance in consumer use, but everyone and their mother seems to bend over backwards trying to sing their praises as the 2nd coming. /rant

because even with great products like the 7970, 4800 series, 5000 series, they didn't sell as much as nvidea's they simply cant keep up the same pace if they don't sell, because most consumers are uninformed its hard to sell the cards, their marketing team doesn't help either, so they have to focus their efforts to the most profitable areas,vega is to enter the server/prosumer market where they have a better time selling their cards. 

consumers now are being less of a focus and i cant blame them.