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European Union Calls For Massive Internet Censorship

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Just now, abazigal said:

Can a law be illegal? Unfair perhaps? 

Yes, if a law conflicts with a constitution.

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2 hours ago, yian88 said:

This is bad, the leftist scum is everywhere. How the heck do we break EUnion once and for all? I hate living in it they destroyed everything, they destroyed independent europe and continue restricting citizen rights.

Censorship is nothing to do with being on the left, There are always someone that want someone else censored. If The right wing people was in power, and felt scared about something, some of them would also try to get censorship...
Left saying something =/= Make that thing a leftist thing only
Right saying something =/= Make that thing a rightist thing only

I am not saying something isnt "Rightist or leftist" thing, just that censorship is NOT one of them.

 

Leftist destroying independent Europe? Just saying, the political parties on the left here in my country want Norway to leave EEA, while the conservative party want to join EU.....
Here its also the conservative party that wants "Digital boarder defence"........

If you wonder what they talk about with "Digital boarder defence", it is monitoring ALL internet connections out and in of the country to look for stuff like people trying to hack countries inside it. But also to monitor for stuff like communication to terrorist groups.

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Why do so many people blow this out of proportion?


Its not voted on yet, its just someone in EU that have made an paper and suggesting it, for all we know, it can be destroyed when voted on.

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At least the EU tells people it is going to censor it unlike america

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3 hours ago, Prysin said:

This is how EU works:

Proposal with some very quiet public statements and publications

nothing (secret lobbying)

nothing (secret bickering)

nothing (secret voting)

Legislation announced to the public with a date upon which it turns into law

Public outrage ensues

Representatives addresses the complaints (goes on vacation to the bahamas on EU travel expenses)

Nothing changes

Law is in effect

fuck you public

 

This is what you get, when you allow a unelected, unregulated and UN-DEMOCRATIC ruling body, with NO responsibility nor accountability to its affected "subjects" to "govern" your life.

 

This is why, if given the chance, i'd move to America. I dont care about Trump, violence, shitty pay, horrible healthcare or whatever. At the very least, you have the opportunity to call out your democratically elected leaders on their BS and actually have a hope of things improving.

The only "people" that can affect whatever the EU does, is top brass of hedgefunds and fortune 500 companies/chinese/american government. Because nobody else has the ability to impose any actual "threat" or "consequence" to these people

In theory, the EU is more overtly undemocratic. In practice however, nothing would change if you move just for those reasons. 

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This thread is hilarious. 

I mean, the EU is full of bullshit and lobbying, but when I read people saying "they want to control the Internet! I'll move to the US... or the UK!" xD

I guess nobody is following the news? Free Internet, no copyright trolling US? "You must register with the government to watch porn" UK? Are those your safe internet havens? What's next, moving to China to enjoy human rights? :P

 

Also, since we are discussing VPNs as well, has anybody checked how each country regulates VPNs (things like whether they are legally forced to log activity, regardless of what they promise to the user, and to provide the logs to the government upon request)? OP, you are better off with a Romanian VPN than with an American ISP...[*] 

 

Btw, OP is confusing, with a title and broad claims of censorship, but quotes only pointing to draconian copyright enforcement. Care to polish up a tl;dr of the proposal and where exactly censorship enters the picture? 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Btw, OP is confusing, with a title and broad claims of censorship, but quotes only pointing to draconian copyright enforcement. Care to polish up a tl;dr of the proposal and where exactly censorship enters the picture? 

 

Title isn't mine and I don't think a tl;dr version is required. Source is there and if you want to do more digging, go ahead.

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Big government, folks. It's why globalism doesn't fucking work. Because once you let idiots in with a ton of power, you start winding up with censorship.

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3 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

Title isn't mine and I don't think a tl;dr version is required.

I never spoke about "requirements". I just have constructive feedback because, silly me, I tend to think people write posts with the intention of conveying a message, which is not coming through in this case. 

 

But whatever, you do you. 

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3 hours ago, Prysin said:

horrible healthcare

Actually it's the best but you have to pay. People come from all over the world to be treated, people are actually ordered by their government not to come here for treatment lol.

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6 minutes ago, dexT said:

Actually it's the best but you have to pay. People come from all over the world to be treated, people are actually ordered by their government not to come here for treatment lol.

US healthcare is terrible for normal healtcare, aka, healtcare that is common.
But for healtcare that is rare, it is better than others.

I would personally have a good healtcare for everyone, that is missing some things for rare cases, than a healtcare that is bad for everyone, exept the rich, but also can treat rare cases.

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I'll just grab some popcorn and watch the whole "first world" implode from my comfy, almost not regulated, third world country. 

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9 minutes ago, Mihle said:

US healthcare is terrible for normal healtcare, aka, healtcare that is common.
But for healtcare that is rare, it is better than others.

I would personally have a good healtcare for everyone, that is missing some things for rare cases, than a healtcare that is bad for everyone, exept the rich, but also can treat rare cases.

What do you classify as common? Here we go to the doctor when we have a reason to like sickness and injury.

 

Example: I was working on my car, finger gets ripped clean off - have surgery the same day.

 

My finger is almost 100% after half a year of healing. Car insurance paid for the surgery and gave me minimal financial compensation for missing work.

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20 minutes ago, dexT said:

What do you classify as common? Here we go to the doctor when we have a reason to like sickness and injury.

 

Example: I was working on my car, finger gets ripped clean off - have surgery the same day.

 

My finger is almost 100% after half a year of healing. Car insurance paid for the surgery and gave me minimal financial compensation for missing work.

In my opinion healthcare should bethose who can be confirmed to be working actively toward having a healthy lifestyle.

 

Should the government provide health services payed through taxes? Yes. And paying said taxes should grant you the benefits, but if your are actively living a unhealthy lifestyle you are costing your country a lot more than you contributing. Those are the cases where it becomes unsustainable..

 

So you'd have to be eligible IMO, but much like in insurance cases.. it can be abused severly.. Also i don't think anyone would go for it.. I just want my country to be healthier.. (It's worse than US)

 

Anyway, on topic.. I believe censorship should not be, but there should also be accountability for your online behaviour. Not completely prohibit anonimity but value more instances where a person is identifying him/her self.

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Censorship in general is a fucking joke. 

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7 hours ago, revsilverspine said:

Once again the EU proves it's full of dinguses, clowns and all-round dumbasses

Yeah. Some examples for the NA guys:

Cabbage regulations:

Sold cabbage has minimum requirements, must match the shape, size and weight - 20 000 words.

From my country:

There is a spread for bread or some shit called something like "Spread Butter". It is flavoured with some herbs and salt.

EU said "Its not a butter, you cant call it butter". So they changed the name to something like "spready".

This piece of dumbass piece of fucking ass crapshit piece of nuffa garbage is just one of the classic EU trash.

I am repeating myself, if this goes into effect, i am moving to canada. . . 

The europe is overloaded with such bullcrap like racial correctness, gender neutralism and shit.

 

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Hope this doesnt happens o-o!

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45 minutes ago, dave_k said:

This piece of dumbass piece of fucking ass crapshit piece of nuffa garbage is just one of the classic EU trash.

I am repeating myself, if this goes into effect, i am moving to canada. . . 

I hope your visa application goes swiftly.

45 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Seriously, black  students in the UK are autisticly screeching because there are statues of white english people who did very importnat stuff.

If they dont like it, then fuck off and go back to Africa/insert african country here, this is europe, we are white and smart and you cannot change that.

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11 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I hope your visa application goes swiftly.

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Lul.

At least i am not hating statues in universities

I remember they did a survey, it was on TV.

The abroad students said they are offended by the statues and require their termination.

The university will remove them because of that.

Do you feel good about that?

Like, i mean, they are in europe, they should respect our culture, we dont hate their culture either.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Prysin said:

horrible healthcare

American healthcare is among the best (if not the best), if you have the money for it.

 

American healthcare for the general (working class) public however... :/.

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1 minute ago, thorhammerz said:

American healthcare is among the best (if not the best), if you have the money for it.

 

American healthcare for the general (working class) public however... :/.

Here you have a great level of healthcare for free. The price of anything other except that is way higher than in the USA.

 

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5 hours ago, Mihle said:

Why do so many people blow this out of proportion?


Its not voted on yet, its just someone in EU that have made an paper and suggesting it, for all we know, it can be destroyed when voted on.

Maybe it can be. But ideas are made of considerations, and considerations are polar, and are connected to one another. Therefore, the ideas people put together represent movements towards which people are inclined, and not static things that are fully detached from once their subjects are voted against. Even if the idea is dismissed now, the brewing grounds for the idea can still be lingering and foster in the people who are in favour of it. That the idea has come up means that there is a breeding ground within the EU legislature for all the things that go along with this type of thinking, and which this type of thinking emerges from. It's a big warning sign, even as a proposal.

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2 hours ago, dexT said:

What do you classify as common? Here we go to the doctor when we have a reason to like sickness and injury.

 

Example: I was working on my car, finger gets ripped clean off - have surgery the same day.

 

My finger is almost 100% after half a year of healing. Car insurance paid for the surgery and gave me minimal financial compensation for missing work.

If your finger get cut clean off, you have surgery the same day and its almost back to 100% here too.

Well, "rare" is probably the wrong word for me to use, I rather mean "New kind of really expensive treatment that have just come to the marked" too, but I rare, I mean rare and expensive to treat, for example loosing a finger clean of, to put it back on is not rare/expensive. A rare kind form of a sickness that really few get AND is expensive to treat because of companies that made the treatment take a lot for it.

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Germany already has a new "hate speech law" that forces social media sites to remove content. Of course, the law didn't define what hate speech is so much more gets removed especially if you are critically on Islam. I also noticed that one youtube Channel I follow is no longer accessible in Germany.

 

I just want to leave but I have to stay another 4-6 years to finish my education....

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