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Apple wants your money to help Huricane Harvey survivors

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2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Because they are probably doing it for marketing? I'd say it's a win-win situation.

Apple gets marketing, and people in need gets help.

Good deeds does not have to be selfless in order to be good.

It is a win-win but Apple gets not only marketing but a huge tax break, on top of barely paying anything at all. 

 

The issue here is that Apple has enough money to double or triple every single donation coming through out of pocket. Now that would convince me they're genuinely trying to help.

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The irony of all this is that many of the people attacking Apple for simplifying donations will gleefully endorse companies that aren't even doing that much.

 

It's as if they're less interested in the actual donations to charity and more in finding an excuse to attack Apple. :dry:

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Apple can donate by giving out of their own pocket, instead of asking for donations, just to make them look generous.

This is like that rich old man, who goes out and begs for money. Then he takes it and donates it to those in need. So basically this old hag made himself look good, with other people's money, without taking a single penny, out of his own pocket.

 

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3 hours ago, Sauron said:

Sure, it just sounds a little hypocritical and makes it seem like they're trying to profit off of the victims' misfortunes...

How is it hypocritical? I don't think Apple are against good PR, nor donations in general.

 

How are they profiting of the victims' misfortunes? Apple are not making any money from this. 100% of the donations goes to the Red Cross. The only benefit they get is good PR, but that's a byproduct of charitable actions.

It's not like they are profiting at the expensive of anyone, so why does it matter?

Again, it's win-win.

 

3 hours ago, Sauron said:

It's also good not to fall for the marketing bait though, so I think it's appropriate to call apple out for what they're really trying to achieve here.

What bait is people going to fall for?

It's not like they think Apple are the ones donating. It's just that Apple has made an easy way for people to donate if they want to.

 

 

All the hate in this thread makes no sense to me.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

It is a win-win but Apple gets not only marketing but a huge tax break, on top of barely paying anything at all. 

 

The issue here is that Apple has enough money to double or triple every single donation coming through out of pocket. Now that would convince me they're genuinely trying to help.

I don't know much about the US tax system, but I don't see how this would entitle Apple to a tax break. They are not the ones making the donations.

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6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I don't know much about the US tax system, but I don't see how this would entitle Apple to a tax break. They are not the ones making the donations.

They could make the claim that people just purchased something off their stores and their company is the one making the donation directly not the end users. It would be interesting to look into maybe we can take the blind fold off so many people that are outraged at someone suggesting just basic stuff: Corporations as profit seeking entities have absolute 0 compassion.

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3 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

They could make the claim that people just purchased something off their stores and their company is the one making the donation directly not the end users. It would be interesting to look into maybe we can take the blind fold off so many people that are outraged at someone suggesting just basic stuff: Corporations as profit seeking entities have absolute 0 compassion.

You still need actual evidence that Apple will get a tax break.  Otherwise, you're just speculating.

 

And I'd still like to know why people are demonizing Apple for making donations easy, but seem to have no qualms with many of their favorite Android/Windows vendors doing sweet FA in response to the hurricane.

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1 hour ago, RedRound2 said:

I hate the fact that this is a stupid fanboy shit article is on and seemingly allowed the forums. These are the ones moderators are supposed to keep in check, yet they don't. You guys should flag the OP for spreading misinformation and this would certainly be different if it ever was google or Microsoft, etc

 

Apple has been doing this for a long fucking time. Whenever there has been a major natural disaster, Apple has always added an option to donate money for the unfortunate. WHY DO THEY DO THIS? Because people aren't jobless enough to visit redcross website every now and then and go through a lot of hoop holes to donate money. Sure in US probably everyone knows about this, but a dude in Russia, China, middle east. All Apple is doing is adding another channel for donation and making a billion people around the world aware of the fact. 

 

Also, I'm not sure what marketing benefit they get from this. The fact that they offered to accept and pay donations for a cause doesn't change my purchasing decisions. It's just pure fanboy excuse

 

Apple has been reportedly been donating to charity with the undisclosed amount with product red products and more. And here's an article about Tim Cook donating his entire fortune to charity. Other companies do publicly reveal the amount they donated and that's what is called marketing, in a sheer attempt to make headlines. Not that I'm complaining, nor anyone should, but the stupid shit die hard hater cook up here is just cancer

I don't even try anymore. Most people just loves to tear apart "rich people" because they don't have that kind of money, they don't really care about the people that needs those resources, they say things like "they do it to avoid taxes" or "they could donate their own money!". Yes they avoid taxes, you think the people that need that food cares about that? Yes, they could donate their own money, and they do it, often, this entire fucking forum full selfish jealous people would need at least 1500 years to help the same amount Tim Cook has helped.

 

You all should be ashamed of your attitude, hell, I'm ashamed of YOUR attitude, probably this is my last message on this forum.

 

BTW, if you could read at least a little you'd see Apple is directing 100% of the donations, so they're actually taking the hit of the costs of transactions. If Apple would only care about selling products they wouldn't put a pop up or a button that could potentially send your money away from them. But you all just want to trash about rich people I know.

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4 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

They could make the claim that people just purchased something off their stores and their company is the one making the donation directly not the end users. It would be interesting to look into maybe we can take the blind fold off so many people that are outraged at someone suggesting just basic stuff: Corporations as profit seeking entities have absolute 0 compassion.

Wait, that doesn't make any sense.

If they pretend like the donation through the store is a legitimate purchase then Apple would need to pay sales tax on that. It seems like a rather convoluted strategy, and it would show up on their financial reports.

 

I am not saying that it's impossible that they are doing this, but it seems very far fetched to me.

 

I mean, you haven't posted any evidence of how any of this would work.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

It would be interesting to look into maybe we can take the blind fold off so many people that are outraged at someone suggesting just basic stuff

I have read this part several times but I don't get what you are saying.

Who are blind folded? The ones who think Apple are doing this for good PR but that there is nothing wrong with that?

 

Who are outraged? To me it seems like people are outraged at Apple for making an easy way to donate to the red cross.

 

What do you think is basic stuff? The part where Apple are putting donations down as sales in order to get a tax break? That does not sound like basic stuff to me. It sounds like a conspiracy theory.

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The real question is why would you ever donate to the red cross, there are so many more organizations out there that do so much more with your money. Red Cross is one of the worse.

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12 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Wait, that doesn't make any sense.

If they pretend like the donation through the store is a legitimate purchase then Apple would need to pay sales tax on that. It seems like a rather convoluted strategy, and it would show up on their financial reports.

 

I am not saying that it's impossible that they are doing this, but it seems very far fetched to me.

 

I mean, you haven't posted any evidence of how any of this would work.

 

 

I have read this part several times but I don't get what you are saying.

Who are blind folded? The ones who think Apple are doing this for good PR but that there is nothing wrong with that?

 

Who are outraged? To me it seems like people are outraged at Apple for making an easy way to donate to the red cross.

 

What do you think is basic stuff? The part where Apple are putting donations down as sales in order to get a tax break? That does not sound like basic stuff to me. It sounds like a conspiracy theory.

1) Conceded: I'd leave that point to an actual US based accountant

 

2) The fact that Apple are truly concerned over the tragedy is what I am saying is just bullshit. I'd sooner believe your "let's get good PR" angle even if my points about taxes are 100% implausible. 

 

As I said if Apple really wanted to help they wouldn't pass down the relief effort to their customers: they've made billions upon billions over the years why can't they donate out of their own fucking profits? Why do they have to encourage people that are far less richer than they are to help while they take the credit of being humanitarian?

 

I am always told by ultra-capitalists that you don't need welfare, social programs or safety nets at all that good will donations can cover those in extraordinary need. Funny how the truly wealthy like mega corporations are not the ones actually footing this good will donation bill and still try to con people with far less means to help out.

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4 hours ago, Teddy07 said:

fuck donations. I never donate to anybody. It is a scam in my eyes because they often keep part of the donation.

I agree 100%. Especially when you find out the percent cuts  people like the red cross take. The CEO makes like 4 mil a year

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I agree 100%. Especially when you find out the percent cuts  people like the red cross take. The CEO makes like 4 mil a year

From what I see red cross only takes 9%

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26 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Wait, that doesn't make any sense.

If they pretend like the donation through the store is a legitimate purchase then Apple would need to pay sales tax on that. It seems like a rather convoluted strategy, and it would show up on their financial reports.

I'm not a tax lawyer and I'm just guessing/putting a theory out (and one that I don't assume to be true), BUT, let's say there are $1,000,000 in donations made, then Apple would have to pay 7%~ out of pocket. Paying $70,000 to be able to writeoff $1,000,000 is a very worthwhile expense. Again, I'm sure there's some more nuance to it than that, but having to pay the tax themselves doesn't seem like it would be an issue. 

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"Total Red Cross operating revenues and gains for fiscal year 2016 were $2,660.1 million"

http://www.redcross.org/images/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m64340273_Annual-Report-2016.pdf

 

Thats still 239 Million dollars that they take. This is a scam. Period. 

Not really. They have to put that money to stuff, like blood drives, employees, marketing, ect.

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1 minute ago, spwath said:

Not really. They have to put that money to stuff, like blood drives, employees, marketing, ect.

Yeah employees that make 6 figures by litterally asking for money. But blood drives? Thats what the donation money is for!

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Just now, mynameisjuan said:

Yeah employees that make 6 figures by litterally asking for money. But blood drives? Thats what the donation money is for!

Ok, yeah, that wasn't right, but still, tons of employees and marketing to do.

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6 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Yeah employees that make 6 figures by litterally asking for money. But blood drives? Thats what the donation money is for!

 

So... Are the 30 000 employees of the American Red Cross supposed to work for free?  Just house, clothe and feed themselves with... I guess magic?

 

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/American-Red-Cross/salaries

 

Also, looking at these number breakdowns, people aren't making six figure salaries at the ARC.

 

The ARC is involved in a tremendous amount of logistics.  It needs managers, it needs staff, it needs accountants, it needs technicians and mechanics.  These are all full time responsibilities that require skilled individuals not 'Kevin from the local church group, who can donate a few hours on Saturdays'.

 

Do you think that supplies from the ARC just teleport into American disaster zones?  No, people have to arrange trucking and air transport.  Depots have to be arranged.  Aircraft have to be scheduled.  Landing permission.  How about the ARC's fleet of road vehicles?  They don't just spawn in like an RTS video game.  They have to be maintained, serviced, stocked, and staffed.  Or do you think there's no costs at all in managing a fleet of disaster ready ambulances?  Hell, they have to pay rent or property taxes on the facilities they store them at.

 

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5 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Obligatory: "We already pay taxes that provide government services to help these people" etc.

 

Just sayin.... Although they do avoid taxes like fucking crazy.

Tax avoidance means minimizing the amount of tax one is legally obliged to pay, via legal means, or oftentimes, just accuracy. There is always a demand for good tax accountants for this reason.

 

Tax evasion on the other hand is the use of unlawful means to avoid paying a portion of what one is obligated to pay.

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19 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

 

So... Are the 30 000 employees of the American Red Cross supposed to work for free?  Just house, clothe and feed themselves with... I guess magic?

 

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/American-Red-Cross/salaries

 

Also, looking at these number breakdowns, people aren't making six figure salaries at the ARC.

 

The ARC is involved in a tremendous amount of logistics.  It needs managers, it needs staff, it needs accountants, it needs technicians and mechanics.  These are all full time responsibilities that require skilled individuals not 'Kevin from the local church group, who can donate a few hours on Saturdays'.

 

Do you think that supplies from the ARC just teleport into American disaster zones?  No, people have to arrange trucking and air transport.  Depots have to be arranged.  Aircraft have to be scheduled.  Landing permission.  How about the ARC's fleet of road vehicles?  They don't just spawn in like an RTS video game.  They have to be maintained, serviced, stocked, and staffed.  Or do you think there's no costs at all in managing a fleet of disaster ready ambulances?  Hell, they have to pay rent or property taxes on the facilities they store them at.

 

 

 

 

I still dont think you are understanding this because I understand people dont work for them for free and ambulanceman dont just show up at their door steps as a gift. 

 

The 239 million is what is kept AFTER to their pocket. The other 2 billion is spent on these resources since that is what people are donating to help. 

 

91% of the donations are spent on food, water, transportation, employees, medical equipment, etc....All the stuff you mention.  The other 9% is for their own pockets.

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2 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

The 239 million is what is kept AFTER to their pocket. The other 2 billion is spent on these resources since that is what people are donating to help. 

...What 'Pocket'?  The American Red Cross is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.  There is no one 'Pocketing' any money.  Why do you think that there's someone profiting off the ARC other than in the form of wages?

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Unless they start to donate 10 cents for every 1$ donated via them they should not do this imo

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1 minute ago, NLD1st said:

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Unless they start to donate 10 cents for every 1$ donated via them they should not do this imo

Should be the other way around.

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Just now, Misanthrope said:

Should be the other way around.

I see the 10 cents as a minimum but they should double every $

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