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maybe if they can use infinity fabric to make it act like a single gpu but multi gpu is dead or close to it. Nobody wants to code for it and the games that do support multi gpu are few and far between. I see people saying "DX12 will save the day" it won't. Someone still has to spend time to implement it and that costs time and money. Since the user base with multi gpu set ups are so low game companies will rarely implement it. So at this point a dual vega gpu is just a waste of power.

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2 hours ago, RotoCoreOne said:

maybe if they can use infinity fabric to make it act like a single gpu but multi gpu is dead or close to it. Nobody wants to code for it and the games that do support multi gpu are few and far between. I see people saying "DX12 will save the day" it won't. Someone still has to spend time to implement it and that costs time and money. Since the user base with multi gpu set ups are so low game companies will rarely implement it. So at this point a dual vega gpu is just a waste of power.

I have to agree.

 

After reading through everyone's statements and comments for both sides, from a consumer standpoint, it isn't worth it.

 

I don't know how long a lot of you have been into this hobby, but I first got back into it as a teenager when SLI was first revived again from NVidia for the Geforce 6800 series cards in 2004.

 

Then, ATI followed suit a generation later with Crossfire.

 

I have seen, year after year, the promise of "better support" by both companies.

 

It's now 2017, 13 years later, and support still has not been perfected.

 

Especially back then, when support was spotty, and for a period, the next generation of GPUs typically were faster than the previous two in SLI/Crossfire.

 

To us, it isn't worth it.

 

Your money is better served going to a high powered single GPU, unless you need the extra horsepower for non-gaming workloads.


That is, of course, unless the specific games you want to play have AMAZING support for it.

 

DX12 is pushing multi-gpu in the right direction, both making it easier for developers since it is baked into the API, as well as for us as we aren't locked to having to buy the same GPU, but support isn't there yet either.

 

TL;DR, save yourself the headache and go single GPU cards.

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What a beast of card. Much like PowerColor Devil's 13 limited edition... this thing must be like 5 kilos? :D

 

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On 06/08/2017 at 6:28 PM, Brooksie359 said:

Like I said more people would be interested if it didn't produce so much heat. Saying that people who are interested in the card won't care about the power consumption is kinda a given otherwise they wouldn't be interested because the power consumption is ridiculous. 

People looking for a GPU like that is set off FAR more by price then by power draw or heat output. Just a fact.

 

Nvidia isnt making these cards, nor will they do it for years to come after their gigantic Titan Z flop. Thus AMD is competing against themselves and single card solutions. If this dual GPU isnt able to beat the best single GPU by a good margin, and at roughly the same price, then VERY FEW will even remotely bother to buy it. 

 

When the 295x2 was 1499$ MSRP, it didnt sell well, once it dropped to 1000$ it sold a few, once they dropped it to "clearance sales" of around 550$ it sold out global stocks in just a few weeks. At 1000$ the 980Ti/Titan X (Maxwell) was still better value due to heat/power draw/frame timing, but at 550$ you would be a complete moron not to buy it, it's a BEAST at that price. 5% faster then most Titan X's at the time, 17% faster then stock 980Ti... for 150-200$ less then the 980Tis market price at the time. No brainer.

 

However the 295x2 has an achillies heel, you need a 230-350$ (at the time) PSU to power it. Silverstone and Seasonic hadnt released their 180$ 700+w Titanium PSUs at that point, so unless you wanted to risk your beast card on a PSU which usually is locked to 20 amps per connector (Despite the ATX spec removing the limitation in March 2007, PSU manufacturers still adhere to it out of courtesy).

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9 minutes ago, Prysin said:

 

However the 295x2 has an achillies heel, you need a 230-350$ (at the time) PSU to power it. Silverstone and Seasonic hadnt released their 180$ 700+w Titanium PSUs at that point, so unless you wanted to risk your beast card on a PSU which usually is locked to 20 amps per connector (Despite the ATX spec removing the limitation in March 2007, PSU manufacturers still adhere to it out of courtesy).

Jesus, PSU pricing has dropped that much?

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1 hour ago, ravenshrike said:

Jesus, PSU pricing has dropped that much?

yeah, you can get ˜140$ 600w 80+ Titanium PSU from Silverstone,  Seasonic has a 650-700w version for 150ish $

 

Mind you, at the time of release of the 295x2, the only PSUs that was good enough to power it was 1000w-1200w Seasonic/Super Flower PSUs and Corsair 1200AXi and the Corsair 1500AXi. That being said, i got my 1500 AXi for the same price as a 1200w one... then i got my 295x2 for 550 USD...

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A new Ares card would be very cool, they would have to bring it out sooner rather than later or end up with another Fury pro duo.. 

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1 hour ago, Prysin said:

Mind you, at the time of release of the 295x2, the only PSUs that was good enough to power it was 1000w-1200w Seasonic/Super Flower PSUs and Corsair 1200AXi and the Corsair 1500AXi. That being said, i got my 1500 AXi for the same price as a 1200w one... then i got my 295x2 for 550 USD...

Don't forget my EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified (Etasis).

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295X2 again! Yeah hash cat super speed 

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bronze, silver, gold, platinum standards dont affect voltage stability, only how many watts is loss from the wall. In the past PSUs couldnt output 12V at their rated wattage, nowadays many PSUs can output 12V at their rated wattage.

 

Card will use 600W if cooling and with sufficient GPU power (4x8pin gives 600W, + 75W from PCIe). add 200W for CPU, board and other 12V meaning you'd need an 800W decent PSU to power this with a ryzen 7. 900W will give more headroom letting you use threadripper and other peripherals too.

 

This card could be a miner's wet dream, lots of GPU power in a small space. Perhaps miners should buy these cards rather than the regular ones..

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On 8/5/2017 at 5:50 PM, Delicieuxz said:

Could this be the Vega GPU that a recent rumour said would cost more than a GTX 1080 Ti?

 

 

AMD has a pretty consistent track record for making a dual GPU variant for each of their architectures.

 

 

I bet that a lot of 4K gamers will want this. It's also great marketing for AMD, because with this they'll have the most powerful consumer GPU on the market.

I shouldn't get triggered by this but I do. They'll have the most powerful graphics card in the market, not GPU. The most powerful GPU is still the 1080Ti's GP102. 

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1 hour ago, Terodius said:

I shouldn't get triggered by this but I do. They'll have the most powerful graphics card in the market, not GPU. The most powerful GPU is still the 1080Ti's GP102. 

Fixed it for you.

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6 hours ago, Prysin said:

People looking for a GPU like that is set off FAR more by price then by power draw or heat output. Just a fact.

 

Nvidia isnt making these cards, nor will they do it for years to come after their gigantic Titan Z flop. Thus AMD is competing against themselves and single card solutions. If this dual GPU isnt able to beat the best single GPU by a good margin, and at roughly the same price, then VERY FEW will even remotely bother to buy it. 

 

When the 295x2 was 1499$ MSRP, it didnt sell well, once it dropped to 1000$ it sold a few, once they dropped it to "clearance sales" of around 550$ it sold out global stocks in just a few weeks. At 1000$ the 980Ti/Titan X (Maxwell) was still better value due to heat/power draw/frame timing, but at 550$ you would be a complete moron not to buy it, it's a BEAST at that price. 5% faster then most Titan X's at the time, 17% faster then stock 980Ti... for 150-200$ less then the 980Tis market price at the time. No brainer.

 

However the 295x2 has an achillies heel, you need a 230-350$ (at the time) PSU to power it. Silverstone and Seasonic hadnt released their 180$ 700+w Titanium PSUs at that point, so unless you wanted to risk your beast card on a PSU which usually is locked to 20 amps per connector (Despite the ATX spec removing the limitation in March 2007, PSU manufacturers still adhere to it out of courtesy).

Again people act like those who seek the most powerful gpu they can get their hands on don't care one bit the power consumption or heat production which I think is true for some but not for all. I honestly if the power consumption wasn't even lower by 150w it would make a huge difference.

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On 09/08/2017 at 9:51 AM, Terodius said:

I shouldn't get triggered by this but I do. They'll have the most powerful graphics card in the market, not GPU. The most powerful GPU is still the 1080Ti's GP102. 

Not true, it's the titan xp

So true it hurts

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, SirFlamenco said:

Not true, it's the titan xp

Uhh.. The Titan XP has literally the same GPU as the 1080Ti. Are you high or something?

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1 hour ago, Terodius said:

Uhh.. The Titan XP has literally the same GPU as the 1080Ti. Are you high or something?

Depends on which GPU you are referring to, the 1080Ti/Titan X (pascal) or the Titan Xp. One has a cut down chip and the other is fully enabled (Xp).

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6 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

Depends on which GPU you are referring to, the 1080Ti/Titan X (pascal) or the Titan Xp. One has a cut down chip and the other is fully enabled (Xp).

They both have the GP102 GPU design. Yes the Titan Xp has like a couple hundred more shader units enabled, but the Titan Xp is not really a gaming card. IF we want to get pedantic then technically the GV100 is the biggest/most powerful GPU in the world, and the GP100 had the title before it, but those GPUs are exclusively aimed at the pro market so they're as irrelevant to this discussion as the Titan Xp since it is NOT a gaming card.

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Hopefully this'll bring SLI to dual-GPU setups back. Would be a shame to lose on that front for those who do triple monitor and high-resolution along with high frame-rate setups. 

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Isn't this old news??? I heard it like last month. Yet, this will be interesting. We are getting another enthusiast card from AMD just like the 295X2.  :o 

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1 hour ago, Terodius said:

IF we want to get pedantic then technically the GV100 is the biggest/most powerful GPU in the world, and the GP100 had the title before it, but those GPUs are exclusively aimed at the pro market so they're as irrelevant to this discussion as the Titan Xp since it is NOT a gaming card.

That may be the case Nvidia marketing wise but from a hardware perspective there is nothing about the Titan Xp or Titan X (Pascal) that makes it a workstation card or anything else other than a gaming card. GP100 actually has a different front end and the Quadro cards that use the GP102 dies and below have more VRAM and ECC support (ish) unlike Titan cards, Quadro cards also have different firmware.

 

Pascal based Titan cards also do not use a fork of the Quadro drivers and up until very recently did not support many legacy OpenGL calls that are still widely used in professional applications, without those it cannot be a workstation card.

 

Kepler based Titan cards really were workstation cards, Maxwell Titan cards were slightly watered down but still a workstation card for it's time but Pascal Titan, not until that recent driver update as mentioned.

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13 hours ago, Jito463 said:

If you look at the date of the OP, it was posted on the 5th.

Just noticed it, thx. :)

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Considering the TDP of the 7970's were 250w, they could probably just redesign the old ARES II cooler for vega and slap it on, though I'm sure they wont. This new vega card will effectively be the same though.

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