AMD Ryzen Threadripper and Ryzen 3 Product Updates (Threadripper price reveal)

[leadeater]

20 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

In the 'Handbrake and HVEC,' where software is AVX enabled, we see the 1800X hanging out with the 7700K. We're getting damn near 1/2 the performance per core. Hence 2 AMD cores = 1 Intel core.

Have you adjusted your calculations for the much lower frequencies of the Intel X series CPUs? Did you also read the page covering memory bandwidth and how the number of memory channels scales differently for AMD than Intel? Or how in a lot of cases Broadwell-EP has higher memory bandwidth than Skylake-SP.

 

1/2 Product performance != half architecture performance. The 8 core Intel will not perform faster than 16 core AMD in that test and it's madness to think it will. You don't have to take my word for it.

 

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Again, the EPYC 7601 simply crushes the competition with 41% better performance than Intel's 28-core. Heavily vectorized code (like Linpack) might run much faster on Intel, but other FP code seems to run faster on AMD's newest FPU.

 

Back to the benchmark you mentioned the 6900K must have half the AVX performance of the 7700K too then, double the cores yet equivalent performance.

 

I'm not even trying to convince you to buy TR, I think in most cases Intel is the better choice. I object to things being present as truths or facts when they are not.

 

Not all AVX code is equal, not all AVX instruction sets are equal, not all AVX execution units are equal. You can't make a blanket statement like AVX is half the performance on AMD, you can say "in this test it is half the performance".

[ravenshrike]

43 minutes ago, leadeater said:

We can predict that yes the 18 core X299 CPU will perform faster than 16 core X399 CPU but who here was saying that wouldn't be the case?

Depends on what speed they can get the 18 core chips to. Almost doubling the core count on a monolithic die is going to up the heat generation considerably.

[JoostinOnline]

11 hours ago, Valentyn said:

 

I'm very disappointed with the Ryzen 3 specs.  It means they're physically disabling SMT just like Intel does with Hyper-threading.  What's next, locked multipliers?

[leadeater]

19 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

I'm very disappointed with the Ryzen 3 specs.  It means they're physically disabling SMT just like Intel does with Hyper-threading.  What's next, locked multipliers?

Yea Ryzen 3 seems like a product range that exists simply to exist and doesn't actually have a design purpose behind it. I would have done Ryzen 3 as a low power CPU 4c/8t but I don't know how much of a demand a CPU like that would be, maybe laptops and embedded system?

 

Ryzen 3 1300X 4c/8t 2.2/3.5 16MB 45W

Ryzen 3 1300   4c/8t 2.1/2.8 16MB 20W-35W

 

The above would of made more sense to me and if required just sell Ryzen 5 for less if required.

[XenosTech]

27 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Yea Ryzen 3 seems like a product range that exists simply to exist and doesn't actually have a design purpose behind it. I would have done Ryzen 3 as a low power CPU 4c/8t but I don't know how much of a demand a CPU like that would be, maybe laptops and embedded system?

 

Ryzen 3 1300X 4c/8t 2.2/3.5 16MB 45W

Ryzen 3 1300   4c/8t 2.1/2.8 16MB 20W-35W

 

The above would of made more sense to me and if required just sell Ryzen 5 for less if required.

Who knows might see that with second gen. Just depends on what intel does that would cause a change like that i.e killing off celeron and pentium processors

[NumLock21]

WCCF throws in a wild guess and says it's "leaked" for 1200 at $109 and 1300x at $129. Take this as a huge grain of salt.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-1200-quad-core-processors-pricing-leaked-landing-27th-july-month/

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Economics is a huge part of engineering especially in manufacturing because at the end of the day the whole point of engineering is to make money and do it efficiently.

And Economics is like a 100% of Economics  

 

/derail  

 

 

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

Yea Ryzen 3 seems like a product range that exists simply to exist and doesn't actually have a design purpose behind it. I would have done Ryzen 3 as a low power CPU 4c/8t but I don't know how much of a demand a CPU like that would be, maybe laptops and embedded system?

 

Ryzen 3 1300X 4c/8t 2.2/3.5 16MB 45W

Ryzen 3 1300   4c/8t 2.1/2.8 16MB 20W-35W

 

The above would of made more sense to me and if required just sell Ryzen 5 for less if required.

 

It seems indeed to be there just to be cheaper. I mean, cost-wise, I doubt it is cheaper than the 1400, but I guess they are trying to have something in the lower part of the market without killing their ability to charge more for the Ryzen 5. I mean, as long as Intel price their i5s like the 6-core Ryzen 5s, AMD can safely get at least $150 for their "older i7" style CPUs  

The problem is, I don't see the Ryzen 3 remaining as attractive even for budget and non-gaming builds once the APUs are launched. Unless the Ryzen 3 come with iGPU as a surprise, requiring a separate GPU will put off most of the relevant market, i would think. Unless they are going after the Pentium gamers or something like that? 

[XenosTech]

4 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It seems indeed to be there just to be cheaper. I mean, cost-wise, I doubt it is cheaper than the 1400, but I guess they are trying to have something in the lower part of the market without killing their ability to charge more for the Ryzen 5. I mean, as long as Intel price their i5s like the 6-core Ryzen 5s, AMD can safely get at least $150 for their "older i7" style CPUs  

The problem is, I don't see the Ryzen 3 remaining as attractive even for budget and non-gaming builds once the APUs are launched. Unless the Ryzen 3 come with iGPU as a surprise, requiring a separate GPU will put off most of the relevant market, i would think. Unless they are going after the Pentium gamers or something like that? 

Plot twist R3 were the APU all along

[Taf the Ghost]

@SpaceGhostC2C Ryzen 3s are just "cut down" Ryzen 7s, so no iGPU. I think AMD is still being cagey about those for a few reasons. Mostly because it would eat up a lot of Ryzen 3 sales. Raven Ridge their APU line, so it's probably the $50-150 USD range. And those suckers are going to be top-notch. They're a Ryzen 5 1400 + a Radeon RX550. Or close enough.   Big thing is they'll be killing "gaming Laptop" CPU + GPU combos. 

 

I'm a little sad I was out all day and missed the fun. I see AMD decided to only launch 2 SKUs at the start, which is probably the best for their pocketbook. The Ryzen 7 & 5 launches should tell them how effectively people have figured out the Price-to-Performance metric for their CPUs. I suspect we'll see a lower clocked SKUs in the future, but, for now, those are some really nice CPUs.

[XenosTech]

https://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/78687/45/

 

If anyone is interested in Intel's savage assault on EPYC.

[Trixanity]

Apparently Threadripper supports up to 1 TB of RAM. Just thought I'd add that.

[Master Disaster]

20 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

60 PCI-E lanes got me excited

A L L  T H E  E X P A N S I O N  S L O T S 

IKR, that's almost 1 lane for every bit on my CPU Kappa

[leadeater]

3 hours ago, XenosTech said:

https://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/78687/45/

 

If anyone is interested in Intel's savage assault on EPYC.

 

Estimated 2.2GHz base huh, only a mere 1.2Ghz ish off.

[kiska3]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

Estimated 2.2GHz base huh, only a mere 1.2Ghz ish off.

Only a tad bit off

[Vode]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

 

Estimated 2.2GHz base huh, only a mere 1.2Ghz ish off.

What are you talking about?

[leadeater]

12 hours ago, Vode said:

What are you talking about?

That is Intel's slide deck they gave out internally to give sales people talking points and information to compare Intel versus AMD, EYPC in this case, before official information provided by AMD. Something I kind of forgot since we were talking about Threadripper, Intel was pretty much spot on with their estimate so oops on my part lol.

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

That is Intel's slide deck they gave out internally to give sales people talking points and information to compare Intel versus AMD

4 GLUED TOGETHER DIES lol

[Taf the Ghost]

2 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Apparently Threadripper supports up to 1 TB of RAM. Just thought I'd add that.

Yes, minus the fact that 128 Gb DDR4 sticks are something nutty. I can't even find a price, but I thought they were $6000 USD each.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

 

Estimated 2.2GHz base huh, only a mere 1.2Ghz ish off.

Well, they ended up being correct for the base clock of 2.2 Ghz for the 32c 7601. Minus that it still all-cores to 2.7 and turbos to 3.0.

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Yes, minus the fact that 128 Gb DDR4 sticks are something nutty. I can't even find a price, but I thought they were $6000 USD each.

Yea 128GB ram sticks are that list price, we get about 50% discount on list but either way just one stick is 3 TR CPUs lol.

[The Benjamins]

I am hoping to see a ~$500 8c16t and lower clock 12c, 16c models down the road.

 

The reason for having a few 8c models is so you can utilize the quad channel ram and 64 PCIe.

 

I also believe that 10c and 14c will not exist due to it not being a symmetrical design.

[Taf the Ghost]

18 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I am hoping to see a ~$500 8c16t and lower clock 12c, 16c models down the road.

 

The reason for having a few 8c models is so you can utilize the quad channel ram and 64 PCIe.

 

I also believe that 10c and 14c will not exist due to it not being a symmetrical design.

With only 2 SKUs on launch, I think it's pretty sure we'll get some lower-clocked versions later. Much like holding off on the Ryzen 3s, AMD doesn't want to cannibalize itself too much, especially as we've seen with the Ryzen 7 line.

 

Still, 12c for $799 and 16c for $999 is pretty dang nice, all things considered. 

[goodtofufriday]

35 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Yea 128GB ram sticks are that list price, we get about 50% discount on list but either way just one stick is 3 TR CPUs lol.

So guess i probably cant get a 512gb ram, 32core epyc approved for a NAS =(

[XenosTech]

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

 

Estimated 2.2GHz base huh, only a mere 1.2Ghz ish off.

They went ham man lol

[Trixanity]

45 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Yes, minus the fact that 128 Gb DDR4 sticks are something nutty. I can't even find a price, but I thought they were $6000 USD each.

Hey. I didn't say you should do it  It's just that you can; point being there is no artificial limitation like 64 or 128 GB but that you can actually get whatever RAM you need.

 

When I searched for Ryzen's RAM limitation it was 64 GB (limited by number of slots I think) and people were complaining that they needed high core count and tons of RAM for their use case and could only get one of those in Ryzen. Topic dated March 2017, so before TR/EPYC announcement.

 

I'd say TR fits that bill as it's actually a HEDT SHED platform.