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IBM Unveils World's First 5nm Chip

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IBM, working with Samsung and GlobalFoundries, has unveiled the world's first 5nm silicon chip. Beyond the usual power, performance, and density improvement from moving to smaller transistors, the 5nm IBM chip is notable for being one of the first to use horizontal gate-all-around (GAA) transistors, and the first real use of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography. GAAFETs are the next evolution of tri-gate finFETs: finFETs, which are currently used for most 22nm-and-below chip designs, will probably run out of steam at around 7nm; GAAFETs may go all the way down to 3nm, especially when combined with EUV. No one really knows what comes after 3nm

 

IBM says that, compared to commercial 10nm chips (presumably Samsung's 10nm process), the new 5nm tech offers a 40 percent performance boost at the same power, or a 75 percent drop in power consumption at the same performance. Density is also through the roof, with IBM claiming it can squeeze up to 30 billion transistors onto a 50-square-millimetre chip (roughly the size of a fingernail), up from 20 billion transistors on a similarly-sized 7nm chip.

 

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This is rather impressive when you can fit 30 billion transistors onto a 50-square-millimetre chip. Not much to say other than it just means Moore's Law isn't quite dead as of yet... but we're nearly getting there. As the article says, it eventually won't be very cost-effective and stacking dies on top of each other might be the way to go in the future... who knows.

 

Source: https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/06/ibm-5nm-chip/

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25 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Apple wanna put these in your new mac pros?

would the fact it not being x86 be crappy.

 

I would like to see apple use ryzen cpu's and vega gpu's. (they already use AMD GPU's)

MBP would be awesome with a ryzen APU and the Mac Pro would be awesome with a TR in it.

This would help AMD with brand image and get a steady stream of sales.

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33 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

would the fact it not being x86 be crappy.

 

I would like to see apple use ryzen cpu's and vega gpu's. (they already use AMD GPU's)

MBP would be awesome with a ryzen APU and the Mac Pro would be awesome with a TR in it.

This would help AMD with brand image and get a steady stream of sales.

They used power PC CPUs in the past

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

They used power PC CPUs in the past

Ya but wasn't it rough switching to x86 and wouldn't it be bad to fragment their platform.

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Holly crap, that's quite the achievement. It is a slight problem that we are that close to reaching that headroom before we have to come up with something new for more performance. That would mean that there would be more competition however if we ran out of headroom as Intel and AMD would be forced to come up with something new (Innovation!) to get more performance so I guess this is kinda good and bad at the same time that we are this close? 

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7 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Ya but wasn't it rough switching to x86 and wouldn't it be bad to fragment their platform.

There is a rumour of apple making their own cpu, instead of intel. Maybe this doesn't seem as bad. 

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sweet, i thought 7nm would be as low as we would go but down to 3nm? thats cool, well what would be cooler would be if we could get some working graphene chips instead -_- but this is an awesome achivement never the less

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38 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

Considering AMD's close relationship with GloFo, I wonder if we'll see this make it's way into Zen+?

Nope. I would imagine that this is at least 3-4 years away for commercial use.

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1 hour ago, MyName13 said:

I thought they sold their foundries to GF.

IBM sold their 7nm tech to GF, as I recall.  Don't recall seeing to what extent the deal went to, I had assumed it was largely IP.

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25 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

Zen+ may well be that far out, considering AMD has said they're supporting Zen until at least 2020.

Supporting AM4 until 2020.

New chips will be released for AM4, like their APUs, ZEN+, etc. in the next 3 years.

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26 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Supporting AM4 until 2020.

New chips will be released for AM4, like their APUs, ZEN+, etc. in the next 3 years.

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the new 5nm tech offers a 40 percent performance boost at the same power, or a 75 percent drop in power consumption at the same performance.

This is usually the problem I have with this, instead of giving raw performance increase to those who don't give a shit about power consumption the only thing you gain is the thing you don't care for, power efficiency >_>

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3 hours ago, silentprototipe said:

Holly crap, that's quite the achievement. It is a slight problem that we are that close to reaching that headroom before we have to come up with something new for more performance. That would mean that there would be more competition however if we ran out of headroom as Intel and AMD would be forced to come up with something new (Innovation!) to get more performance so I guess this is kinda good and bad at the same time that we are this close? 

that new thing is already here and its called multi-die cpus, this way they can increase the maximum effective area of  the chip without increasing the cost too much

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What did they even fab?  SRAM cells that are zero yielding?  

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all we need is multi-die, GAA transistors, with each die having multiple dies stacked on top of each other just like in hbm, then cpus will look like a city full of skyscrapers, the problem is that the dies on the bottom will get a bit hot :-(

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4 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

I would like to see apple use ryzen cpu's and vega gpu's. (they already use AMD GPU's)

MBP would be awesome with a ryzen APU and the Mac Pro would be awesome with a TR in it.

This would help AMD with brand image and get a steady stream of sales.

What about thunderbolt? Before intel finally allows other CPU manufacturers (i.e. AMD) to use thunderbolt, I don't think an AMD CPU equipped mac would be happening :/ 

 

2 hours ago, Jito463 said:

Considering AMD's close relationship with GloFo, I wonder if we'll see this make it's way into Zen+?

Ermmmm...AMD was one of the founders for Glofo so...ya know...its hard for AMD to not have a close relationship with something that they (co-)created :P 

 

15 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

all we need is multi-die, GAA transistors, with each die having multiple dies stacked on top of each other just like in hbm, then cpus will look like a city full of skyscrapers, the problem is that the dies on the bottom will get a bit hot :-(

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More infinity fabric? :D 

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Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

What about thunderbolt? Before intel finally allows other CPU manufacturers (i.e. AMD) to use thunderbolt, I don't think an AMD CPU equipped mac would be happening :/ 

 

Ermmmm...AMD was one of the founders for Glofo so...ya know...its hard for AMD to not have a close relationship with something that they (co-)created :P 

 

More infinity fabric? :D 

True it might be a bit soon, seeing how the iMac Pro was just announces and it uses a up to 18c Xeon. But I can see apple moving to AMD due to price and showing intel that they do not need them.

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2 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Ermmmm...AMD was one of the founders for Glofo so...ya know...its hard for AMD to not have a close relationship with something that they (co-)created :P 

Yes, I know, but I also know that GloFo is no longer owned by AMD.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/449522-smoking-barrels-ltts-unnofficial-gun-club/

 

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Just now, The Benjamins said:

But I can see apple moving to AMD due to price and showing intel that they do not need them.

Plus the advantage of no longer being forced to have the iGPU packaged with the CPU.  It's my understanding that was a sore spot between Apple and Intel.  Apple didn't want the iGPU (at least, not on their higher end Macs).

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/449522-smoking-barrels-ltts-unnofficial-gun-club/

 

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