Intel’s 18 Core Skylake-X Won’t Be Available Until Next Year – 14 & 16 Core Parts To See Delayed Availability?

[Mr_Troll]

 

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Intel HCC parts to see delayed avalaibility, 18 core i9 7980XE said to be MIA until next year

 

Intel’s new platform is the very first to feature CPU bifurcation where we’ll see SKUs based on different processor generations launch on the same socket. The Kaby Lake X lineup will be based on the same quadcore Silicon that’s been available on the LGA 1151 socket since last year and will only offer slightly higher clock speeds.

 

The Skylake-X parts are where things get a little bit more interesting. Here Intel is again bifurcating its lineup by limiting PCIe Gen3 lanes on its Skylake i7 parts to 28 instead of 44. The Skylake-X chips also differ in other ways, perhaps most peculiar is the fact that Intel will actually be leveraging two different CPU dies for this lineup. An LCC (Low Core Count) die and an HCC (High Core Count) die. The LCC die maxes out at 12 cores, while the HCC die maxes out at 18 cores.

All Skylake-X parts based on the HCC die will see delayed availability Intel has told the press at Computex. When exactly they’re going to be available Intel hasn’t announced just yet. Although it appears that these parts will actually see a very significant delay. An Asus representative has revealed that Intel’s 18 core CPU won’t be available until next year.

 

 

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Seeing as how the 16 & 14 core parts are based on the same Silicon it’s possible that these processors will also see delayed availability. The 12 core LCC flagship Core i9-7920X will also see delayed availability according to Intel, but will likely launch sooner than the HCC parts

 

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Intel was clearty blindsided by AMDs Threadripper

 

Just one day after Intel announced its Core X series and X299 chipset AMD came out with its own announcement of enthusiast Threadripper processor and X399 chipset. As you can clearly tell from the name AMD has chosen for its chipset, it’s hell bent on one-upping Intel in the high-end desktop.

 

To add insult to Injury AMD announced that all of its Threadripper processors will feature 64 PCIe Gen3 lanes and quad channel DDR4 memory support. A clear dig at the fact that Intel’s Kaby Lake Core X series parts will be limited to dual channel DDR4 and 16 PCIe lanes and mid-range Core i7 Skylake-X parts being limited to 28 PCIe lanes rather than 44 like the higher end i9 parts.

 

It doesn’t take a genius to realize that Intel had always intended to continue its incrementalism had it got the chance. To date and for the past decade we had only seen Intel leverage its LCC dies for its high-end desktop platform. The fact that the company is going to be leveraging an HCC Xeon die for its high-end desktop platform for the first time, nearly doubling the core count of its flagship CPU after years of incrementalism, speaks volumes. And the fact that these parts will see delayed availability tells us Intel was caught off guard and was clearly not ready for AMD’s Threadripper surprise.

 

AMD announced that the Threadripper lineup in its entirety and X399 motherboards will be available this summer. Assuming AMD plays its cards right in terms of pricing the company could steal a big chunk of Intel’s high-end desktop revenue until its high core count parts are released. At which point we could see AMD counter again. Ever since AMD’s Ryzen launch earlier this year we’ve seen the CPU landscape get more fascinating by the minute and it doesn’t look like it’s going to stop any time soon.

 

Edit: Linus has some words about x299

 

 

Kind of suprised that Intel has nothing ready yet.

 

Source:http://wccftech.com/intels-skylake-x-core-i9-7980x-wont-be-available-until-next-year/

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?93632-Late-June&p=653561&viewfull=1#post653561

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11464/intel-announces-skylakex-bringing-18core-hcc-silicon-to-consumers-for-1999

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE&t=755s

 

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, Mr_Troll said:

Kind of suprised that Intel has nothing ready yet.

I disagree, it looks like Threadripper caught Intel off guard and Intel is scrambling to respond.

[Number Muncher]

Man, Intel seems to have stumbled here. Their lack of a proper response makes me wonder just when it is that we'll see a serious bump in clock speed. People who need Xeon are going to buy Xeon and people who want a fast gaming CPU aren't going to plunk down more money for more, slower cores. I'm looking at buying a new processing machine at some point and I'm not convinced there will be any reason to buy Intel unless Threadripper and Epyc turn out to be busts.

 

I'd like to see a proper upgrade from my 4790k at some point.

[Lurick]

Delayed release and all the crap with RAID keys and other stuff Intel is throwing out like a panicked person is kind of sad. They need to just stop, take a deep breath, focus on innovation again, and bring out a good product in a reasonable time and not some knee-jerk reaction with "We've got bigger! Look at our shiny object instead!"

[Sacriledgy]

Linus new video explains it all 

[captain cactus]

Linus' video holds true here. Intel was ready to do something incremental again and boom, AMD comes along and rips Intel a new one. Now we have Threadripper with the only difference between SKUs being clockspeed and core count while the rest stays the same. 

[leadeater]

Delayed is stretching the truth a bit, more like unplanned product not ready yet but announced to have a competing product and worry about delivering it later.

[done12many2]

14 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Delayed is stretching the truth a bit, more like unplanned product not ready yet but announced to have a competing product and worry about delivering it later.

 

Truth.^

 

 

@Mr_Troll  You must have grabbed that screen shot right after Raja posted or you got it from someone else who preferred that version.  

 

Within minutes of posting, Raja changed it to "later this year" so he must have made a mistake or Intel got into his shit.  

 

 

[Valentyn]

Well the original Skylake X slides Intel were showing off early last year topped out at 10 cores again, so it's clear they trying to counter AMD's Threadripper here.

 

Most likely putting in a lot of work to see which Xeons will work for x299 at decent clocks, and keep a decent TDP. Validation and all takes time after all.

 

[Sacriledgy]

1 minute ago, Valentyn said:

Well the original Skylake X slides Intel were showing off early last year topped out at 10 cores again, so it's clear they trying to counter AMD's Threadripper here.

 

Yeah, I don't even understand why Kaby Lake-X and i9 exist. Its such a rushed, unplanned, and overall confusing release

[SpaceGhostC2C]

So... paper launch to try to compete for attention against a product that's supposedly hitting the market this summer? Or should they have all the specs defined to be considered even a paper launch?

 

I haven't understood KabyLake-X at all yet, but I must say that Linus' video made me think about something I wasn't considering: the troubles this platform bring to motherboard manufacturers. It must be much more straightforward to design boards for Threadripper, but also for existing Intel and AMD platforms.

[grimreeper132]

57 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Delayed is stretching the truth a bit, more like unplanned product not ready yet but announced to have a competing product and worry about delivering it later.

Intel is scrambling like crazy here, they have no plan, they have to react. And it doesn't sound like they have done without issues, apart from issues Linus has pointed out there is also the issue of the fact ryzen's 16 core is rumored to be $849 so it probably will be under $1200 which still will be a major undercut of pricing compared to intel, and with thunderbolt coming to Ryzen as well there's even less reasons to go intel

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, Number Muncher said:

Man, Intel seems to have stumbled here. Their lack of a proper response makes me wonder just when it is that we'll see a serious bump in clock speed. People who need Xeon are going to buy Xeon and people who want a fast gaming CPU aren't going to plunk down more money for more, slower cores. I'm looking at buying a new processing machine at some point and I'm not convinced there will be any reason to buy Intel unless Threadripper and Epyc turn out to be busts.

 

I'd like to see a proper upgrade from my 4790k at some point.

In theory, Coffee Lake is in a few months, which is the Kaby Lake replacement.  Though with a new socket and a 6c12t part as the top SKU, but we probably also should have heard some more about it.  (I've seen a few people speculating that yields are bad on 10 nm process right now.)  So it's completely a matter of "we'll see". 

 

It wouldn't be the first time that Intel has a down cycle while AMD has a big up cycle. My Athlon XP was a damn beast.

[The Benjamins]

11 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

In theory, Coffee Lake is in a few months, which is the Kaby Lake replacement.  Though with a new socket and a 6c12t part as the top SKU, but we probably also should have heard some more about it.  (I've seen a few people speculating that yields are bad on 10 nm process right now.)  So it's completely a matter of "we'll see". 

 

It wouldn't be the first time that Intel has a down cycle while AMD has a big up cycle. My Athlon XP was a damn beast.

if Coffee Lake comes out soon and has a 6c12t part that puts the x299 7800x in a odd spot. both will be 6c12t but 7800x only giving extra PCIe lanes for the added cost.

 

x299 seems like a huge disappointment. 

[ElZamo92]

Mr_Troll, your profile picture sums up my feelings towards this occurrence.  

[leadeater]

28 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

Intel is scrambling like crazy here, they have no plan, they have to react. And it doesn't sound like they have done without issues, apart from issues Linus has pointed out there is also the issue of the fact ryzen's 16 core is rumored to be $849 so it probably will be under $1200 which still will be a major undercut of pricing compared to intel, and with thunderbolt coming to Ryzen as well there's even less reasons to go intel

On Intel's side they are lucky they can just do this sort of thing. Since they leverage the dies from the Xeon product range they can just grab the upper tier die that contains more cores and do all the same customizations like usual to create a HEDT product.

 

It's not even a big design effort at all, to me there are only two issues with X299: Kaby Lake-X and RAID keys etc which are both utterly stupid.

 

Sad truth is Intel could have been offering these higher tiers of HEDT CPUs for the last two generations but didn't, whether that was due to lack of demand or competition still doesn't change that they could of. Instead a lot of people/business had to buy workstations with Xeons in them when none of the Xeon features were required, we've got plenty of those in my work place. 

[Zodiark1593]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

On Intel's side they are lucky they can just do this sort of thing. Since they leverage the dies from the Xeon product range they can just grab the upper tier die that contains more cores and do all the same customizations like usual to create a HEDT product.

 

It's not even a big design effort at all, to me there are only two issues with X299: Kaby Lake-X and RAID keys etc which are both utterly stupid.

 

Sad truth is Intel could have been offering these higher tiers of HEDT CPUs for the last two generations but didn't, whether that was due to lack of demand or competition still doesn't change that they could of. Instead a lot of people/business had to buy workstations with Xeons in them when none of the Xeon features were required, we've got plenty of those in my work place. 

Given the efforts of Intel to shrink core size and reduce their power consumption, I don't think performance or power consumption will be a big concern, however, it is very unlikely that the X299 platform was even designed with such CPU's in mind.

 

The engineers behind the cpu are probably ready and willing to take on AMD, but the engineers in charge of the platform are the ones scrambling around to make sure nothing major breaks. 

[Jahramika]

Lol go Intel don't worry a shot load of followers on this forum that wallet you get away with ripping people off.

 

[leadeater]

Just now, Zodiark1593 said:

Given the efforts of Intel to shrink core size and reduce their power consumption, I don't think performance or power consumption will be a big concern, however, it is very unlikely that the X299 platform was even designed with such CPU's in mind.

 

The engineers behind the cpu are probably ready and willing to take on AMD, but the engineers in charge of the platform are the ones scrambling around to make sure nothing major breaks. 

It's not really as big of a deal as you might think. On the Xeon side for example the same C series chipset supports all 3 Xeon variant dies and it's no different on the X chipset either. Since the same number of PCIe lanes are on the dies and they are exact feature parity there isn't anything to do.

 

The chipsets are very much like the HEDT vs Xeon dies, same stuff but with things turned off.

[sazrocks]

12 minutes ago, leadeater said:

On Intel's side they are lucky they can just do this sort of thing. Since they leverage the dies from the Xeon product range they can just grab the upper tier die that contains more cores and do all the same customizations like usual to create a HEDT product.

It's this that makes me wonder how Itzel is planning on responding to EPYC. AFAIK Intel doesn't have anything applicable with that many cores so they would have to design a new CPU from scratch (aside from architecture of course).

[LukaH]

yes! this is what i like to see....

 

"We wanted to disrupt the PC market, we wanted to bring performance, choice to as many people as possible"

-Lisa Su (2016 Ryzen launch)

 

*DISRUPTION INTENSIFIES*

[leadeater]

Just now, sazrocks said:

It's this that makes me wonder how Itzel is planning on responding to EPYC. AFAIK Intel doesn't have anything applicable with that many cores so they would have to design a new CPU from scratch (aside from architecture of course).

Skylake-EP was originally announced to have 28 cores, current rumors are saying that Intel has increased it to 32 cores. On the server side Intel is in a far better position than AMD is.

 

It's almost as bad as Nvidia who just release products with CUDA cores disabled then just gradually unlock them over time with 'new products'.

[4960X]

moar cores and moar rgb plz

[Jito463]

1 minute ago, 4960X said:

moar cores and moar rgb plz

Just replace all the cores with RGB.  That'll work...right?

[VerticalDiscussions]

For the first time i suppose that meme was right in a flashing way:

 

Intel inside, idiots outside.

 

Ugh, Moltres hopefully will trump Articuno this time.