NVIDIA's drivers are terrible.

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, LokiFire said:

Right, so when i uninstall this driver and install yet another, and the card is working normal, you will come and tell me it's broken? right? or just whimper off with your tail between your legs because you are incorrect?

did you restart your PC like I told you earlier before trying to install new drivers?

if you have an unstable overclock and you lower the clock speed to stock, you need to do a restart or the card can still remain unstable

 

also have you tried setting your GPU to the previous overclock to see if its stable now?

[Godlygamer23]

23 minutes ago, LokiFire said:

Well i'm off NVIDIA for my next upgrade, Polris for me, go fuck yourself NVIDIA.

That seems a bit drastic. 

 

It's not like you're the only one with technical problems with products - even people with AMD products have driver issues. 

[LokiFire]

15 minutes ago, LokiFire said:

You know it's AMD that get's the most flack, yet when NVIDIA screw up people are fast to point fingers at the user.

 

The PC is reset and it still happens even with the card at stock, and guess what, this happened on the latest driver until i uninstalled it and installled this older one.

 

Now i'm going full circle again.

 

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

did you restart your PC like I told you earlier before trying to install new drivers?

if you have an unstable overclock and you lower the clock speed to stock, you need to do a restart or the card can still remain unstable

 

also have you tried setting your GPU to the previous overclock to see if its stable now?

I will just uninstall again and suck it up as it's all i can do, it may actually be because it's Windows 10 too, Win 7 never had this behavior.

[PlayStation 2]

I don't know if I could say anything right now that wouldn't get me banned.

[Ramrod126]

The last two driver releases from Nvidia have given me nothing but trouble. CTD in fallout 4 and dirt 3 and just general suckiness. I am sticking with the 361.91 release until there is another new driver.

[LokiFire]

I'm still serious about not touching NVIDIA for my next purchase, i remember them being great pre HD 7770 with my 9800GTX+.

 

Seems things do turn around much like intel and AMD back in the day.

[LokiFire]

GPU is back to working i just can't do anything with it, it's fully capable of overclocking well beyond stock but the driver decides if it will allow it or not.

 

[Enderman]

27 minutes ago, LokiFire said:

Right, so when i uninstall this driver and install yet another, and the card is working normal, you will come and tell me it's broken? right? or just whimper off with your tail between your legs because you are incorrect?

yeah i told you, its old and you damaged it by OCing...nothing to do with drivers

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

5 minutes ago, LokiFire said:

GPU is back to working i just can't do anything with it, it's fully capable of overclocking well beyond stock but the driver decides if it will allow it or not.

 

a driver crash mean it's unstable...and your GTX 580 is becoming old now, and it was a very power hungry hot running piece of silicon to begin with...so it's just probably slowly dying on you...it's normal, it's part of life...to get it more stable you'll have to increase voltage slightly and also most likely lower the clockspeed of the core in order to make it stable again. Good luck!

(nvidia driver has nothing to do with it, and old AMD cards will do the same as well)

[Agent181]

this was amusing to read.... I use to work as an IT specialist as a summer job and I still get called back for it but driver crashes happen to all 3 sides, Intel, nvidia, and amd.  From what I can recall when it happen to nvidia based cards everything broke, if it was with amd it was either a simple driver fix or problem in settings, and if it was with intel.... hope you did nothing to screw up.  Pretty much more than I can remember it was user error from either screwing around with settings that they have no idea it does or just simply not being careful.  Sometimes I miss it other times I don't.

[handymanshandle]

@LokiFire I generally dislike Nvidia because their stuff isn't that much better than AMD's stuff and it cost more. So I did thumbs up that one post about ditching Nvidia for AMD but if your OC isn't stable either side will have issues generally the driver being a fair warning of that.

 

[Michamus]

2 hours ago, LokiFire said:

I am playing with my 580 for a score to put up in the 3D Mark thread, well the 580 was literally a second away from passing and the driver crashed, ok so it's a tad unstable.

 

I reduce the clock slightly and now 3D Mark crashes the driver before even the loading screen appears.. what kind of bullshit is this?

 

THERE IS NO LOAD ON THE GPU AT ALL HOW CAN IT CRASH??!!?!?!?!?

Sounds like you need to reboot your system. When a driver crash occurs, the OS will usually put the GPU into a "safe mode" of sorts, locking the clock speed. When you restart the OS, it releases this setting. I'm going to assume you were monitoring your temps during the first trial.

 

The art of OC is trial and error and very time consuming. Generally the pattern is OC -> Driver crash? // Yes -> Reboot OS and try a lower setup // No -> Try a higher setup.

[Godlygamer23]

22 minutes ago, Michamus said:

Sounds like you need to reboot your system. When a driver crash occurs, the OS will usually put the GPU into a "safe mode" of sorts, locking the clock speed. When you restart the OS, it releases this setting. I'm going to assume you were monitoring your temps during the first trial.

 

The art of OC is trial and error and very time consuming. Generally the pattern is OC -> Driver crash? // Yes -> Reboot OS and try a lower setup // No -> Try a higher setup.

I haven't seen this occur usually during my experiences with driver crashes.

[Lays]

2 hours ago, LokiFire said:

Right, so when i uninstall this driver and install yet another, and the card is working normal, you will come and tell me it's broken? right? or just whimper off with your tail between your legs because you are incorrect?

So quit bitching and use an old driver.  You don't HAVE to update your driver everytime a new one comes out. 

Find one that works well and stay with it until you need to upgrade for other reasons like a new game coming out or something. 

[TheGamingBarrel]

9 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I haven't seen this occur usually during my experiences with driver crashes.

It will reset to defaults, not locking clocks, I can upload a video when I get my PC Working again.

[TheGamingBarrel]

Just now, Lays said:

So quit bitching and use an old driver.  You don't HAVE to update your driver everytime a new one comes out. 

Find one that works well and stay with it until you need to upgrade for other reasons like a new game coming out or something. 

I still use 350.12 Most stable driver and handles games better than the FO4 Driver.

[Godlygamer23]

1 minute ago, TheGamingBarrel said:

It will reset to defaults, not locking clocks, I can upload a video when I get my PC Working again.

I'm not convinced of your experience either. My GPU will bump back up to the overclocked speed.

[TheGamingBarrel]

2 hours ago, Enderman said:

the fact that the GPU is unstable at idle means you damaged it by overclocking

this has nothing to do with the drivers

 

the "nvidia drivers have stopped working" message is the sign that the GPU isnt stable, it doesnt mean that theres anything wrong with the drivers

 

you know how when you overclock a PC and its unstable and it goes black? thats basically "windows has stopped working"

it doesnt have anything to do with windows being crap, it means the CPU is unstable

 

 

 

you're just a complete noob at overclocking if you think that this is a driver issue

Actually, you are entirely wrong in this regard, My 1620 MHz 980 Does well, 1620 On 350.12, Upgraded to newest driver, cant even hit 1500 Without it crashing.

[TheGamingBarrel]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

I'm not convinced of your experience either. My GPU will bump back up to the overclocked speed.

When my PC Comes back to life want me to make a video? Literally all my boards are dead ATM  Phase was too much for them.

[Godlygamer23]

4 minutes ago, TheGamingBarrel said:

When my PC Comes back to life want me to make a video? Literally all my boards are dead ATM  Phase was too much for them.

You may do what you wish. If this topic is dead by the time your PC is in working condition, not sure if it'll be worth it.

[DildorTheDecent]

2 hours ago, LokiFire said:

 

I will just uninstall again and suck it up as it's all i can do, it may actually be because it's Windows 10 too, Win 7 never had this behavior.

I've heard that drivers are iffy with Windows 10. Windows 8.1 is fine for me. I imagine Windows 7 was fine as well. 

 

Just push the driver back to one that worked well for you. For me 353.62 is a great driver. Allows my GTX 980 to scale towards 1580ish nicely. 

 

Being an older card there isn't really much point in upgrading the GTX 580 driver. Most of the performance gains are just for Maxwell right now. 

 

Your GTX 580 isn't dead. Far from it actually. The voltage wasn't even being pushed near the factory limit imo. 

[TheGamingBarrel]

7 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

You may do what you wish. If this topic is dead by the time your PC is in working condition, not sure if it'll be worth it.

New challenge, keep thread alive.

[Crowes]

3 hours ago, LokiFire said:

It's not damaged, what is damaged is me saying NVIDIA's drivers are shit, because you know... you love them so much.

 

One shouldn't display their subjective opinion as absolute. Your opinion, nor anyone else's, is absolute; objective, a fact that can't be denied, because it's very rare that an opinion can ever be simultaenously a fact. Just because you have had a bad experience in an area where you make yourself sound pretty ignorant, doesn't mean there aren't thousands of people who have never met this hurdle and aren't.

 

Please, think before you speak.

[TheGamingBarrel]

Just now, Crowes said:

 

One shouldn't display their subjective opinion as absolute. Your opinion, nor anyone else's, is absolute; objective, a fact that can't be denied, because it's very rare that an opinion can ever be simultaenously a fact. Just because you have had a bad experience in an area where you make yourself sound pretty ignorant, doesn't mean there aren't thousands of people who have never met this hurdle and aren't.

 

Please, think before you speak.

I understand your message, but these last few drivers have been absoulte shite. Objectively, tested on many cards from old to new.

[Crowes]

2 minutes ago, TheGamingBarrel said:

I understand your message, but these last few drivers have been absoulte shite. Objectively, tested on many cards from old to new.

Oh, I agree, I haven't bothered to install them - from mutli-monitor failures to completely useless - I just wanted to avoid it and kept with the drivers that are perfectly fine, considering I don't own any of the newer games. Drivers in my opinion shouldn't replaced unless for a game they currently don't support of which you own.

 

When thousands are meeting those hurdles, it's not really an opinion but people believing in an obvious factual occurrence. When it's just one guy who botched his card shouting and raving like it's anyone else's fault... it's a bit stupid, eh?