The Division developer concedes PC version was downgraded to stay “in check” with consoles [Update - Ubisoft in Damage Control]

[Sharkyx1]

6 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

 I don't want to buy it anymore.

 

So you wanted to buy it before this was said by one anonymous game dev? 

 

Did the game change from the moment before you read it to after? 

 

I thought it was a boring game to begin  with and the beta didn't help my opinion 

[zacRupnow]

8 hours ago, Humbug said:

LOL, unfair?

 

how is it unfair. Each platform should be utilized in the optimal manner.

 

but considering that Ubisoft struggles to get their games running smoothly maybe it's for the best.

8 hours ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

one problem can't be solved by creating another. 

That and remember using the mod to unlock the E3 Effects in Watchdogs actually improved the performance...

[Sharkyx1]

2 minutes ago, zacRupnow said:

That and remember using the mod to unlock the E3 Effects in Watchdogs actually improved the performance...

It didn't unlock any hidden effects, it was nearly all new code

 

EDIT: here's a direct quote  of the mid developer 

 

I had made lots of changes since the first release of the mod, it's not a really well known game and also not so popular like gta but it was fun while it lasted, thanks /u/MonsuirJenkins for explaining. Also due to many issues with the installer that was made along with MalDo I coudn't make too many versions of the mod for all people's taste. Only 2 or 3 files that previously existed in the game files were used and even those were modified quite a lot.

[raendeu]

13 minutes ago, Sharkyx1 said:

Sources :

 

Lower sales numbers on PC

 

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-pc-accounts-for-nearly-a-quarter-of-ubisofts-first-quarter-sales/

 

And Ubi reporting PS4 makes up a larger portion of their revenue than PC. Current Gen consoles  make up 38% of revenue,nearly double PCs 23%.and that's with only two feature levels compared to the many many more of PC

 

The PC accounted for 23 percent of Ubisoft's sales this quarter, an amount only (and only slightly) surpassed by the PlayStation 4, which totaled 27 percent of sales. Xbox One sales made up just 11 percent of Ubisoft's sales for the quarter, as did the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. The Wii U came in a distant last with three percent, and "other"—mobile and ancillaries—grabbed the remaining 14 percent.

You're looking at Ubisoft.
What was the last game from Ubisoft that was decent on PC?

Name	Original release	Platforms
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Wildlands	2016	Win, XBO, PS4
For Honor	2016	Win, PS4, XBO
TrackMania Turbo	2016	Win, PS4, XBO
Far Cry Primal	2016	PS4, Xbox One, PC
South Park: The Fractured But Whole	2016	PS4, XBO, Win
Tom Clancy's The Division	2016	PS4, XBO, Win
Toy Soldiers: War Chest	2015	Win, XBO, PS4
Assassin's Creed Chronicles	2015	Win, PS4, XBO
Assassin's Creed Syndicate	2015	Win, PS4, XBO
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege	2015	Win, PS4, XBO
Grow Home	2015	Win, PS4
Anno 2205	2015	Win
Just Dance 2016	2015	PS3, PS4, X360, XBO, Wii, WiiU
Driver Speedboat Paradise	2015	iOS, Android
Assassin's Creed Identity	2015	iOS
Tetris Ultimate	2014	Win, XBO, PS4, 3DS, PSVita
The Crew	2014	Win, X360, XBO, PS4
Watch Dogs	2014	Win, X360, XBO, PS3, PS4, WiiU
Assassin's Creed Unity	2014	Win, PS4, XBO
Far Cry 4	2014	Win, PS3, X360, PS4, XBO
Might & Magic X: Legacy	2014	Win
Trials Fusion	2014	PS4, X360, XBO, Win
Assassin's Creed Rogue	2014	PS3, X360, Win
South Park: The Stick of Truth	2014	PS3, X360, Win
Valiant Hearts: The Great War	2014	PS3, PS4, X360, XBO, Win
Just Dance 2015	2014	PS3, PS4, X360, XBO, Wii, WiiU
Child of Light	2014	PS3, PS4, PSVita, WiiU, Win, X360, XBO

Assassins' Creeds have disgusting performance issues, obvious that sales will suck.
Six Siege wasn't a best game, I had problems with the release - I returned it within two hours:


Obvious driver issues. Textures aren't even loading.

Anno 2205? Only for PC. So Ubisoft does make games only for PC, what a surprise.

The Crew?
Decent sales all across the board.

Watch Dogs? Shitty optimisation on PC, Graphical Downgrade and performance issues.

Far Cry 4? No figures available per platform.


Don't give me that "it's not profitable" bullshit, since Star Citizen made from PC Only game over 900 milion bucks.

"Oh but it's star citizen"

They sold an idea of a game. It's not even a game yet. But they cared about the PC superiority over consoles, and on that sole basis they got showered with cash.

The sales on PC for Ubisoft suck, because they have a SHIT track record, and PROVEN downgrades on PC. (Watch Dogs, downgrades of The Division.) And, they make casual only games, which are for general public.

And that general public, is mostly playing on Consoles. Which is why you get the results you get.

Make good PC games, you'll get good PC scores and sales.

[EChondo]

4 hours ago, SeriousDad69 said:

You're in the extreme minority. Most PC gamers are playing CSGO, LoL and Dota on Intel HD graphics.

Wat. http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

Intel graphics are only 18.49% on ALL OF STEAM, and I think that also includes people who don't use Intel graphics but has the ability too. There's over 80% of people who have dedicated GPU's. Over 40% of those 80% of dedicated GPU's are at most 3 generations old(AMD 7000, Nvidia 600).

 

So no, "most" PC gamers have a dedicated GPU and they have a dedicated GPU for a reason.

[MEC-777]

2 hours ago, SeriousDad69 said:

$500 for a dedicated GPU is extremely in the minority. Most of people that have dedicated GPUs have ones that are around $150 to $350 including older cards from 2013 and before.

 

And that's why I said; the majority of the gamers who play triple A games like this have moderate ($150-350) to high-end GPUs. My point was what you said earlier was irrelevant to this topic/discussion. 

[raendeu]

4 minutes ago, EChondo said:

Wat. http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

Intel graphics are only 18.49% on ALL OF STEAM, and I think that also includes people who don't use Intel graphics but has the ability too. There's over 80% of people who have dedicated GPU's. Over 40% of those 80% of dedicated GPU's are at most 3 generations old(AMD 7000, Nvidia 600).

 

So no, "most" PC gamers have a dedicated GPU and they have a dedicated GPU for a reason.

I think some people forget that also "Majority" of PC players don't use Steam.
It's surprising, I know - but there are people that don't use it. I'm on 295x2 and I don't use Steam, so I'm obviously not a part of these statistics.

What about most people in Poland, which is majorly a PC Gaming mecca. Not a lot of people game on consoles there. And none of the friends I know use Steam either.
Why you might ask?

Because a game there costs 40£. When in normal Polish store, you'll pay 20£ for a Game. 14£ on Polish version of E-bay, for a CD-Key.

People love to throw statistics around, when it fits their small picture. There are milions of people around the world that just don't use Steam, although it has been widely accepted on Forums like this one that "Steam is THE shit."

[Sharkyx1]

9 minutes ago, raendeu said:

Snip 

Actually ubisoft is one of the more profitable companies on  PC, and that 22% stat is  usually used as a positive defence of pc. But you asked for sources and I provided one and you smacked it down without any sources mind you 

 

All those games that you Bat away as casual are the ones that sell, watch dogs sold really well on PC and so do the assassins Creed games, Far cry 4 was good, steam spy reports 600k for that, and it doesn't include Uplay sales

 

PC makes up almost a quarter of ubisoft revenue and more than double the Xbox One, they don't treat  it like a  second class citizen like they used to, but PC isn't the majority for any major developer 

 

Witcher 3 PC was the smallest portion 

Same with MGSV

Rare cases like skyrim it's about 50/50

[EChondo]

Just now, raendeu said:

I think some people forget that also "Majority" of PC players don't use Steam.
It's surprising, I know - but there are people that don't use it. I'm on 295x2 and I don't use Steam, so I'm obviously not a part of these statistics

What about most people in Poland, which is majorly a PC Gaming mecca. Not a lot of people game on consoles there. And yet, not a lot of people use Steam either.
Why you might ask?

Because a game there costs 40£. When in normal Polish store, you'll pay 20£ for a Game. 14£ on Polish version of E-bay, for a CD-Key.

People love to throw statistics around, when it fits their small picture.

Well for a service that is used all over the world and has millions of users, don't you think it's a better statistic than nothing? Sure, a lot of people don't use Steam, but a lot of people do. Just because not a lot don't doesn't mean that Steam's numbers are irrelevant. Also @SeriousDad69 mentioned "CSGO, LoL and Dota", which two of the three require Steam to even download the game and I don't know a single LoL player who doesn't also have a Steam account.

 

Also where are your sources for the whole "a lot of people" in Poland don't use Steam? Or is this just hearsay?

[bcredeur97]

sigh  was such a good game too...

[Sharkyx1]

2 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

sigh  was such a good game too...

Then that means you should just have fun with it 

 

Since even is being  an equal so terrible 

 

This game has 

 

-arbitrary resolution support 

-multi gpu

-good optimization 

-vast options menu 

-looks pretty good 

 

 

I didn't like it, but politics is just that, just play games that are fun. 

 

[raendeu]

20 minutes ago, EChondo said:

Also where are your sources for the whole "a lot of people" in Poland don't use Steam? Or is this just hearsay?

Financial perspective.

Steam does not support Polish currency. People located in Poland have to buy games through Euros, which gives it 3.4x the price of the game.

I.e. GTA V costs 60 Euros, which is 267 PLN.

Cost in normal polish store (Like Polish equivalent of Walmart or Tesco) - 170 PLN. (37 EUR)

Because of that, none of my friends have used Steam. The ones that did - Never bought games from there.

Would you use Steam, if you can buy a game for 26 Euros instead of 60? Even with 50% Discount, that's still 30 Euros - which is only 7 euros cheaper than a standard game from the store.

I think it's hard to prove how can you "not" use something. Steam can prove how many people "use" their format of gaming. I can't really provide a source, as I don't have any statistic of who is or isn't a gamer.

I could compare it by the people that own Windows 7 up to Windows 10, but not all of them are Gamers. I think you see my point?

It's a general consensus based on experience and financial responsibility.

[Misanthrope]

I wonder what will happen when VR makes this unsustsinsble, what then pc gets 360 era graphics or worst for the sake of the console VR experience? 

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

1 hour ago, Sharkyx1 said:

I said this else where. I'll say it again, the game is 60$ or your regional equivalent on PS4 Xbox One, and PC. It doesn't matter if you paid 300$ for a PST or 3000$ for an overbuilt PC, Ubi doesn't get a cut off either of those so what reason do  they have to invest significantly more into the pc version. 

 

Do you think it's fair to say that one person should get more for $60 than another? 

 

so according to you Rockstar should have downgraded the GTA 5 to make it look like PC becasue it's just not fair that PC gamers get more for what you paid on console which can't possible support it ? and who's fault is that it couldn't run all of the stuff that runs as it does on PC? 

that doesn't make sense, i can't possible hear a better audio on my cheap ear phone, guess it's time all the bands release their album in 128 kbps, since its not fair a better ear phones can play audio files better for the same price you paid. 

 

PS

17 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

By that logic PC games shouldn't have keyboard and mouse support

 

PPS 

 

Multiquote exists for a reason.

[Astralify]

6 hours ago, Lazmarr said:

 

But what if it isn't the fault of the consoles but rather the fact and fault that Ubisoft couldn't be bothered - or wanted - to invest the time, effort and funds into the extra production of the PC version?
 

 

 

Almost all of the disables effects (downgrade) were a part of the build at some point. Also, remeber the snowdrop engine videos? The tech is there, it's jus a matter of turning it on/off plus optimizations (that is no problem for a AAA monster like U-be-soft)

BTW a small video with comparisons of the final shit and the e3 about what things have been disabled: You might find it interesting.


 

Oh, and #FuckUbisoft

[WelshDdraig]

Ubisoft is in damage control now, but since this came from a developer, I kind of believe them, even what after happened with Watchdogs, either way, I think this meme goes well in this situation: 

Spoiler

 

[Texhnlyze]

SOMEONE IS GETTING FIRED TODAY.

[Bouzoo]

Huh, at the same time

[Guest Kloaked]

3 hours ago, Lethal Seraph said:

So our gaming brothers on consoles holding us back again... damn.

Yet again there's a myriad of people blowing this whole thing out of proportion, but I'm going to pick on you since you think consoles are somehow holding the PC platform back.

 

A long while ago, nearly everyone on the internet was bitching about other people bitching about graphics. "Graphics don't matter! It's all in the gameplay!" Now PC gamers like to nitpick at graphics on PC versions of games and shit on it if it doesn't meet expectations. I mean, a lot of people on this very forum were extremely upset that Witcher 3 didn't look like it did in the trailers and footage from conventions, on the PC version. Yet when everyone played the game, OH MY GOD THIS IS DEH BESTEST ARRPEEGEE EVERRR!11

 

Now here we you are, blaming consoles for holding back the PC versions of cross-platform titles, as if the console market has any physical control over the developer's pipeline. Last I checked, they do what they can to dump the game on us in a timely fashion and at least try to make enough people happy enough to buy the game - they don't even have to since they're all so good at marketing that millions of people will pre-order the game without even thinking for two seconds, and makes publishers their money back before the damn game is even out yet.

 

Are you, personally guilty of pre-ordering Fallout 4? If not, look at the people who were bitching about the graphics in that game; bitching about the bugs yet there's this majority of people who are content with it because "aw it's just Bethesda it's ok". No, it's not.

 

We probably agree on some thing, but I'm disagreeing with you here. Gamers are what's holding back gaming. You pick what you want with your wallet. If you don't think The Division deserves money, don't buy it. If you think the console market is holding back PC gaming, then I have a reality check for you: there's PC exclusive titles right now that don't look anywhere near as detailed as The Division (I've actually played it and it looks fine for what it is - I'm going to buy it if it is well received by reviewers because the beta didn't impress me enough to lay down $60, personally), nor have they received the attention to detail that the PC version deserves.

 

Anyways, gonna hop off your dick. but just to be clear, this was aimed at all of the other whiners in this thread, bitching for the wrong reasons. You just got picked out because I really don't like your argument, especially.

 

 

EDIT: I forgot to add this. Anyone remember how long it took for the GTA 5 version to finally release? Despite Rockstar's fuckups with mods and stuff, the PC version was handled nicely and actually functioned on my end for the most part, with some minor annoyances sure. They listened to what the PC community wanted, and delivered on most of it. Yet people were bitching about how long it took. lol

[CakeandRubix]

3 hours ago, Sharkyx1 said:

I said this else where. I'll say it again, the game is 60$ or your regional equivalent on PS4 Xbox One, and PC. It doesn't matter if you paid 300$ for a PST or 3000$ for an overbuilt PC, Ubi doesn't get a cut off either of those so what reason do  they have to invest significantly more into the pc version. 

That is a reasonable claim that I would agree with. 

3 hours ago, Sharkyx1 said:

Do you think it's fair to say that one person should get more for $60 than another? 

If they invest in better hardware yes. If I buy dodge charger, should a lambo be limited to give me a better racing experience on a track? 

 

I know that as a pc gamer I am not entitled to have the perfect game, but it used to be in Ubisoft's best interest to make a track on which people can race freely; and if you, as a gamer, want a better driving experience, you invest more money. I am only using the car analogy as I think it fits.

 

With regards to you former comment, I knew they weren't adding mod support, I'm sorry if I made it sound that way.

 

Also post was updated and it looks like they are saying that it is not being held back which makes me happier. If the division comes out as a purposeful PC game with amazing graphics that I may or may not be able to run, I will be very happy with Ubisoft and fully support their game.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

5 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Stop buying the consoles, stop buying the games on the consoles, and their attitudes will change.

 

Why should consoles not exist so that the corporate world would stop screwing us over? 

 

Change can only start with themselves.

[CatCloud]

Here we go again...  Oh well,  the game is dull anyways. 

This game is hands down the weakest I've played in the series. 

[Belgarathian]

Not this rubbish again. The same freakin' thing happened with Witcher 3, and Elite Dangerous. 

[Sharkyx1]

3 hours ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

 

so according to you Rockstar should have downgraded the GTA 5 to make it look like console becasue it's just not fair that PC gamers get more for what you paid on console which can't possible support it ? and who's fault is that it couldn't run all of the stuff that runs as it does on PC? 

I'm sorry,but that is a terrible example  ubisoft is doing exactly what rockstar did with GTA V,  same base  game with same features and a few extras above and beyond 

 

What features does GTA V have above the console release than The Division, or a Watch_Dogs or witcher didn't have? I'll wait for my answer 

 

Also I don't know how to multi quote on mobile

[Lazmarr]

3 hours ago, Astralify said:

Almost all of the disables effects (downgrade) were a part of the build at some point. Also, remeber the snowdrop engine videos? The tech is there, it's jus a matter of turning it on/off plus optimizations (that is no problem for a AAA monster like U-be-soft)

BTW a small video with comparisons of the final shit and the e3 about what things have been disabled: You might find it interesting.
 

Oh, and #FuckUbisoft

Exactly The effects are there so it's likely Ubisoft didn't want to invest the time into making it playable on current end hardware.