[updated] Asetek demands Gigabyte and AMD to cease sales of the 980 Water Force and Fury X on infringement claims

[Syntaxvgm]

Asetek needs to go eat a d*ck. As bad as Apple and Samsung are as patent trolls, Asetek takes the cake. Heck, their designs are basically Swiftech ripoffs with a smaller block unit.

no, you need to. Asetek brought AIOs to the mass market, and the server market as well. You can't just steal the shit they made. 

 

I don't know why everyone sees them as patent trolls, they designed, make and sell the product they have a patent for. 

 

 

Edit 

lel I took it a bit far 

[SuperCookie78]

no, you need to. Asetek brought AIOs to the mass market, and the server market as well. You can't just steal the shit they made. 

 

I don't know why everyone sees them as patent trolls, they designed, make and sell the product they have a patent for. 

because they  patented putting an already existing thing onto another already existing thing 

[patrickjp93]

no, you need to. Asetek brought AIOs to the mass market, and the server market as well. You can't just steal the shit they made. 

 

I don't know why everyone sees them as patent trolls, they designed, make and sell the product they have a patent for. 

Are you joking?! Swiftech was 2 years ahead of them easily. All Asetek did was take the prices down via greater mass production.

 

No, they STOLE the design from public domain. Asetek does not deserve to have that patent. Swiftech at least hired the guy who first brought a closed loop system to overclocking competitions back in 2005. Asetek took the design concept, shrunk the block head, and put a patent on it, but it's BS! It's prior art and someone with legal standing should challenge them on it. And Asetek just stifles competition. It's the exact same thing as Intel and AMD having closed licenses for x86 and x86_64 respectively that pretty no one can buy. It's the exact same thing. Design is design be it of a physical object or programmatic system. That patent isn't worth the ink it was written in.

[zMeul]

How are they a patent troll? Asetek actually makes stuff with their patent, patent trolls don't.

I didn't say they're patent trolls, others did 

[Syntaxvgm]

Are you joking?! Swiftech was 2 years ahead of them easily. All Asetek did was take the prices down via greater mass production.

 

No, they STOLE the design from public domain. Asetek does not deserve to have that patent. Swiftech at least hired the guy who first brought a closed loop system to overclocking competitions back in 2005. Asetek took the design concept, shrunk the block head, and put a patent on it, but it's BS! It's prior art and someone with legal standing should challenge them on it. And Asetek just stifles competition. It's the exact same thing as Intel and AMD having closed licenses for x86 and x86_64 respectively that pretty no one can buy. It's the exact same thing. Design is design be it of a physical object or programmatic system. That patent isn't worth the ink it was written in.

I should mention that because of the server solutions I'm an Asetek fanboy whore. I'm very biased. 

[zMeul]

No, they STOLE the design from public domain. Asetek does not deserve to have that patent. Swiftech at least hired the guy who first brought a closed loop system to overclocking competitions back in 2005. Asetek took the design concept, shrunk the block head, and put a patent on it, but it's BS! It's prior art and someone with legal standing should challenge them on it. And Asetek just stifles competition. It's the exact same thing as Intel and AMD having closed licenses for x86 and x86_64 respectively that pretty no one can buy. It's the exact same thing. Design is design be it of a physical object or programmatic system. That patent isn't worth the ink it was written in.

correct me if I'm wrong but you can improve on a patent and create a patent of your own

for example: the Gillette Mach3 razor had three blades where previous razors had two

[Syntaxvgm]

correct me if I'm wrong but you can improve on a patent and create a patent of your own

for example: the Gillette Mach3 razor had three blades where previous razors had two

I may be an Asetek whore, but I'm not gonna defend them based on the bullshit in the shaving razor market. 

[zMeul]

I may be an Asetek whore, but I'm not gonna defend them based on the bullshit in the shaving razor market. 

whatever you may think, Gillette does have a new patent for the 3rd blade - this is how patents works because they're allowed to

 

patrick said Asetek improved on Swiftec design, that alone would worth getting a patent for - guess there's nothing more to improve on Asetek design!?!?

[Syntaxvgm]

whatever you may think, Gillette does have a new patent for the 3rd blade

 

patrick said Asetek improved on Swiftec design, that alone would worth getting a patent for - guess there's nothing more to improve on Asetek design!?!?

could someone show me the differences on the swiftech design vs Asetek's patents vs the 'Infringing' products? 

Cause I'll defend Asetek and their wonderful products until I die, but I really don't mind being wrong about who was first with what, especially when they go around and start suing everyone. 

[Notional]

Oh BS. It's prior art. If you ever saw the old overclocking competitions (back when we still cared about ALL categories instead of just setting LN2 records) people designed AIOs long before Asetek put a patent on them. They literally stole the rights to designs from enthusiasts of the public domain. Their patent is BS and should be challenged on that merit and thrown out entirely.

 

There's nothing brilliant about it. It's obvious.

 

EKWB's patent is older than Asetek's, and EKWB doesn't troll it.

 

No, Asetek simply has to produce a better product for the same cost or give the same product for a lower cost than their competitors. Patents do nothing but stifle innovation and competition.

 

Are you joking?! Swiftech was 2 years ahead of them easily. All Asetek did was take the prices down via greater mass production.

 

No, they STOLE the design from public domain. Asetek does not deserve to have that patent. Swiftech at least hired the guy who first brought a closed loop system to overclocking competitions back in 2005. Asetek took the design concept, shrunk the block head, and put a patent on it, but it's BS! It's prior art and someone with legal standing should challenge them on it. And Asetek just stifles competition. It's the exact same thing as Intel and AMD having closed licenses for x86 and x86_64 respectively that pretty no one can buy. It's the exact same thing. Design is design be it of a physical object or programmatic system. That patent isn't worth the ink it was written in.

 

Oh just stop your nonsense propaganda. Asetek has patents going back to November 2004:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=5&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&S1=7,971,632&OS=7,971,632&RS=7,971,632​

 

Even IF there is prior art, who is to say Asetek hasn't bought the patents from those behind prior art, or at least the exclusive rights? Not all patents at Asetek are filed by them specifically.

 

Who is the "guy" who made the prior art, that Swiftech worked with then? You make claims, but don't back them up with anything.

 

Addendum: At the end of the day, both the American patent office, and the American court (​http://techreport.com/news/29092/asetek-wins-injunction-against-cooler-master-liquid-coolers) thinks that Asetek has every right for their patents. A company really can't do more than that.

[Syntaxvgm]

Oh just stop your nonsense propaganda. Asetek has patents going back to November 2004:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=5&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&S1=7,971,632&OS=7,971,632&RS=7,971,632​

 

Even IF there is prior art, who is to say Asetek hasn't bought the patents from those behind prior art, or at least the exclusive rights? Not all patents at Asetek are filed by them specifically.

 

Who is the "guy" who made the prior art, that Swiftech worked with then? You make claims, but don't back them up with anything.

this is what I had always assumed, but I would love proof of the opposite, since most here believe Asetek is patent trolling. Like a nice timeline for idiots like me 

[Notional]

this is what I had always assumed, but I would love proof of the opposite, since most here believe Asetek is patent trolling. Like a nice timeline for idiots like me 

 

These things get very complicated very fast. The gist of it, is that the American patent office and American courts have legitimized these patents. The term Patent trolling is pointless as no proper definition exists, so it's pretty "noobish" to even use it. The way Asetek are using their patents is what patents was invented to do: Protect your invention/innovation and therefore your investment from being stolen/copied by competitors. CM's seidon was a blatant ripoff:

 

 

One is Asetek, and the other is a Cooler Master unit. Do you know which is which?

 

The integrated CPU cooling plate/pump is an Asetek innovation they own the rights to. Most other AIO companies has found a way to circumvent that patent. Trolling, no, protecting ones invention, yes.

[Dabombinable]

These things get very complicated very fast. The gist of it, is that the American patent office and American courts have legitimized these patents. The term Patent trolling is pointless as no proper definition exists, so it's pretty "noobish" to even use it. The way Asetek are using their patents is what patents was invented to do: Protect your invention/innovation and therefore your investment from being stolen/copied by competitors. CM's seidon was a blatant ripoff:

 

 

One is Asetek, and the other is a Cooler Master unit. Do you know which is which?

 

The integrated CPU cooling plate/pump is an Asetek innovation they own the rights to. Most other AIO companies has found a way to circumvent that patent. Trolling, no, protecting ones invention, yes.

The left is the CM unit, It looks cheaper.

[Notional]

The left is the CM unit, It looks cheaper.

 

Yup, everyone who remembers the original AIO's will recognize the gear shaped plastic edge of the Asetek housing. One more picture to show the similarities:

 

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[Dabombinable]

Yup, everyone who remembers the original AIO's will recognize the gear shaped plastic edge of the Asetek housing. One more picture to show the similarities:

 

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The only similarities are that the parts do the same job, and the impeller is in about the same spot. (And that metal plate)

[Notional]

The only similarities are that the parts do the same job, and the impeller is in about the same spot. (And that metal plate)

 

Actually several of the parts are outright interchangeable. But even if they weren't it's an identical constructiion and identical design in function.

[Dabombinable]

Actually several of the parts are outright interchangeable. But even if they weren't it's an identical constructiion and identical design in function.

It may function the same, but the design isn't identical in this case-its different. And the only part that would be interchangeable is that metal plate.

[Notional]

It may function the same, but the design isn't identical in this case-its different. And the only part that would be interchangeable is that metal plate.

 

The American court ruled otherwise. The two products functions exactly the same, is laid out the same, using similar parts and so on.

 

If the plate fits and the screw holes lines up (seems to), it would be possible to mount the Asetek pump on the CM cooling plate, and vice versa.

[patrickjp93]

correct me if I'm wrong but you can improve on a patent and create a patent of your own

for example: the Gillette Mach3 razor had three blades where previous razors had two

Is there a patent on multiblade razors? No. 

[patrickjp93]

Oh just stop your nonsense propaganda. Asetek has patents going back to November 2004:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=5&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&S1=7,971,632&OS=7,971,632&RS=7,971,632​

 

Even IF there is prior art, who is to say Asetek hasn't bought the patents from those behind prior art, or at least the exclusive rights? Not all patents at Asetek are filed by them specifically.

 

Who is the "guy" who made the prior art, that Swiftech worked with then? You make claims, but don't back them up with anything.

 

Addendum: At the end of the day, both the American patent office, and the American court (​http://techreport.com/news/29092/asetek-wins-injunction-against-cooler-master-liquid-coolers) thinks that Asetek has every right for their patents. A company really can't do more than that.

2005 victor of the ASUS overclocking competition in the water division, won the three previous years as well. The name escapes me, but to be fair I was eleven and it was the first time I'd gone. I can get the name from my dad after I'm done with finals and fly home.

[Syntaxvgm]

These things get very complicated very fast. The gist of it, is that the American patent office and American courts have legitimized these patents. The term Patent trolling is pointless as no proper definition exists, so it's pretty "noobish" to even use it. The way Asetek are using their patents is what patents was invented to do: Protect your invention/innovation and therefore your investment from being stolen/copied by competitors. CM's seidon was a blatant ripoff:

 

 

One is Asetek, and the other is a Cooler Master unit. Do you know which is which?

 

The integrated CPU cooling plate/pump is an Asetek innovation they own the rights to. Most other AIO companies has found a way to circumvent that patent. Trolling, no, protecting ones invention, yes.

I knew there were CM ripoffs, and I call this a fair use of their patent. I hate CM pumps in general, though again I'm an Asetek whore I use them and only them. If these are the pumps in question for the cards, I really think Asetek has a win here. 

Something like Corsair's h110 pump is just fine and is very far from Asetek's design if I remember correctly. 

[Jerakl]

It's very much within their right to do this. Iirc they were the original ones to patent watercooling techniques.

[Clear17Mud]

Wait but the new cooler master ones are square, and how can they make it so they can't sell those ones unless they are the same.

[totjup5]

Asetek needs to die in a fucking hole. This kind of bullshit is bad for the industry.

[shawno]

Boy itd be an easy to grab contract if you were say, corsair with the actual patent for asetek based units, especially with that corsair themed nvidia card just released.