Bigtime YouTuber, AngryJoe, says enough is enough with Nintendo

[GoodBytes]

He posted this two months ago: 

 

And I also follow him on Twitter and I remember him ranting about the whole Nintendo thing around that time. Nothing really new here other than his new video that's basically just reiterating what he implied with his explicit gestures and acted anger on the linked video in my post here, and what he previously said on Twitter around that time. Polygon did the story to get clicks off him, is my point.

Yup, but that was different, and he didn't say he won't cover Nintendo games at all.

 

One example is him explaining his new Area-51 PC, which now in the back of my mind I think he was given it by Alienware for that video he made - it made me cringe and I had to stop watching halfway through it, not because it was about Alienware but because he had no idea wtf he was talking about.

 

If you did watch it until the end, you would know that his previous computer was custom build, and that the reason he got an Alienware was:

-> A big thank you from him to Dell, as he used to work from them, and Angry Joe would not exists without them.

-> He has no time to custom build the system.

-> He wanted a system that is ready to go, to not have any downtime, as he makes a living on YouTube and it is important for him to provide continuous content.

-> He did get a discount on the system, although small, but regardless it is not as bad.

Also, if you think that Alienware is overpriced garbage. You have NO IDEA how good deal they are compared to other companies. At work, the company we buy our work stations (those are basically Intel best Core i7 CPU you can buy at the moment of purchase, latest highest end GeForce card, and well the whole package, except.. well get on that). The company spends over 1000$ more per computer than what you would normally pay for if you custom build. And what do we get? A PSU that outputs this high pitch sound all the time, not even 80 Plus certified, no-name brand, the fans... OMG the fans.. I don't think the dollar store sales fans that are as crap as what they put it. SUPER loud, pushes no air. Uses Intel stock fan cooler. the case while strong and heavy, is poorly designed in every way possible. Complete with fans that pulls airs on basically a wall.

It frustrates me a lot to see this, as I see such waste of money. Oh and they don't know how install a system. SATA controller set to IDE mode. UEFI disabled. XMP disabled, and so on. Almost everything wrong, has been done.

And the company we order from is huge. They do Business 2 Business solutions, so you don't know them, and I don't want to name anyone. But they are very popular, sadly, and apparently better than others.

So, Alienware is the ultimate deal compared to the crap I have seen at work. He has proper support, the system boost super fast, proper cooling, quiet, and well build, and FAR better quality components, for what? a few hundred more.

 

I've seen him play games with "other Joe" on Twitch and I always hear Angry Joe say something wrong, other Joe will correct him, Angry Joe insists he's right, etc. It reminds me of someone I know in person which makes it worse in my perspective.

It's called kidding around?! I have friends that goes all immature a bit and silly when they are having fun. Its just a personality thing. But when they need to be serious they are professional, and know what they are talking about.

[VerticalDiscussions]

Hey now, their pokemon 3DS XL was pretty awesome

But it's pretty shit what they've been doing, the worst part is that the people spent their time creating a video only to have it removed completely wasting their time.

Pokemon 3DS? I meant the "New" Nintendo 3ds.... ya in like new (Better everything, but its the same thing in name).

[GoldSrc]

Damn, Nintendo sure loves to shoot itself in the foot .

That Terminator quote sure fits Nintendo.

 

Listen, and understand! Nintendo is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Replace "dead" with something else, I can't come up with anything right now .

[Guest Kloaked]

Yup, but that was different, and he didn't say he won't cover Nintendo games at all.

Well I took that video that I linked as his "fuck you Nintendo, no more Nintendo videos" message since that happened. I don't know why this would seem like some big surprise to anyone, really.

If you did watch it until the end, you would know that his previous computer was custom build, and that the reason he got an Alienware was:

-> A big thank you from him to Dell, as he used to work from them, and Angry Joe would not exists without them.

-> He has no time to custom build the system.

-> He wanted a system that is ready to go, to not have any downtime, as he makes a living on YouTube and it is important for him to provide continuous content.

-> He did get a discount on the system, although small, but regardless it is not as bad.

I figured that'd be why he got it, which wasn't my problem with the video. It was how he was pointing out things about the PC.

Also, if you think that Alienware is overpriced garbage. You have NO IDEA how good deal they are compared to other company. At work companies he buy our work stations with Intel best Core i7 CPU you can buy at the moment of purchase, latest highest end GeForce card, and the whole package. The company spends over 1000$ more per computer than what you would normally pay for if you custom build. And the PSU outputs this high pitch sound all the time, not even 80 Plus certified, no-name brand, the fans... OMG the fans.. I don't think the dollar store sales fans as crap as what they put it. SUPER loud, pushes no air. Uses Intel stock fan cooler. the case while strong and heavy, is poorly designed in every way possible. Complete with fans that pulls airs on basically a wall.

It frustrates me a lot to see this, as I see such waste of money. Oh and they don't know how install a system. SATA controller set to IDE mode. UEFI disabled. XMP disabled. No overclocking, and I go on.

I was sick and tired, that I unplug all the fans of that system, brought my SSD from home (as they used 5400 RPM HDD), and fixed everything. I got the office to order SSDs (at the company expense of course), and switch. You might think we are crazy for having no fans spinning in the case. Based on my tests, there is only a few degree difference, as the fans and case is so bad. Our computers are now quiet.

And the company we order from is bigger than Dell. They do Business 2 Business solutions, so you don't know them. But they are very popular, sadly, and apparently better than others.

So, Alienware is the ultimate deal compared to the crap I have seen at work. He has proper support, the system boost super fast, proper cooling, quiet, and well build, and FAR better quality components, for what? a few hundred more.

Lol. Okay. I didn't say anything bad about Alienware, and I even said "not because it was about Alienware but because he had no idea wtf he was talking about."

I've had an Alienware system before and I loved it. When I had an issue, they were quick to get my problem fixed. Never had any bad comments about them other than their design choices on their newer line-up, specifically the space-grey colored systems they're selling now. I had a laptop from the chassis before the ones that are currently out.

Again, I didn't say anything bad about them whatsoever. So you can't sit there and assume stuff.

It's called kidding around?! You should get more friends to play with to know this.

Oh don't give me that. Firstly, dunno why you're beginning to talk in a stronger language to me. I didn't insult you.

Secondly, the way he talks a majority of the time annoys me because he reminds me of someone I know personally who acts like his thoughts and opinions are above everyone else's and cannot receive any outside input because he doesn't think he can be wrong.

I do have quite a few friends - actually just got back from a LAN meet-up with a few friends, tyvm.

[weez]

Good for Joe. Very youtube "gamer" should do this. Stop posting Nintendo content and also stop posting any other game that the game developer doesnt allow to be monetized. Youtube "gamers" are free advertising. I've bought many games I would have never even thought of buying because I've watched a play-through on youtube.

[Misanthrope]

He posted this two months ago: 

 

And I also follow him on Twitter and I remember him ranting about the whole Nintendo thing around that time. Nothing really new here other than his new video that's basically just reiterating what he implied with his explicit gestures and acted anger on the linked video in my post here, and what he previously said on Twitter around that time. Polygon did the story to get clicks off him, is my point.

 

And you disagree with me about him being wrong about things he talks about sometimes? He actually is wrong sometimes, if not, most of the time. I watch his streams and almost all of his Youtube content and he's getting to be annoying. One example is him explaining his new Area-51 PC, which now in the back of my mind I think he was given it by Alienware for that video he made - it made me cringe and I had to stop watching halfway through it, not because it was about Alienware but because he had no idea wtf he was talking about.

 

I've seen him play games with "other Joe" on Twitch and I always hear Angry Joe say something wrong, other Joe will correct him, Angry Joe insists he's right, etc. It reminds me of someone I know in person which makes it worse in my perspective.

 

Joe started long ago as a console gamer and even an xbox enthusiasts at that. The fact that he is now even talking about a gaming PC is a big change for him. Yes you might have beef against alienware, I saw that video and I also though "Boy he could have asked anyone else to build a system for him, I mean if Barnacules can get a rig from Puget system surely someone much bigger like Joe can as well" however one must not forget he is not a PC gamer like us: we've been into this for years, some of us decades, a prebuilt system from a lot of people jumping over from the console world makes sense to them.

[Nowak]

Ya know, I like Nintendo and all, but I will admit they have one very serious problem. That problem is they don't get it. They haven't for a very long time, since the Nintendo 64 launched and used cartridges instead of discs and they ruined their relations with third-party devs. I think that the Creator's Program and how they are taking ad revenue away from YouTubers who are giving them basically free advertising is a sign of them continuing to not get it.

[Guest Kloaked]

Joe started long ago as a console gamer and even an xbox enthusiasts at that. The fact that he is now even talking about a gaming PC is a big change for him. Yes you might have beef against alienware, I saw that video and I also though "Boy he could have asked anyone else to build a system for him, I mean if Barnacules can get a rig from Puget system surely someone much bigger like Joe can as well" however one must not forget he is not a PC gamer like us: we've been into this for years, some of us decades, a prebuilt system from a lot of people jumping over from the console world makes sense to them.

Seriously man. Do you guys not understand what "not because it was about Alienware but because he had no idea wtf he was talking about."

 

Also, read my more recent reply too.

[Misanthrope]

Seriously man. Do you guys not understand what "not because it was about Alienware but because he had no idea wtf he was talking about."

 

Also, read my more recent reply too.

 

Yeah I know that he doesn't knows. He knows more than other xbox fanboys though because that's what I was trying to say: That's how he started couple years back.

[Guest Kloaked]

Yeah I know that he doesn't knows. He knows more than other xbox fanboys though because that's what I was trying to say: That's how he started couple years back.

 

That's a given. So why did you reply again? 

[Lord Sparklebottom]

Following up what was saying, it's been years since services like Xbox Live and Playstation network came, but still Nintendo hasn't its own service like them. They really need to adapt like Microsoft and Sony has done over the years.

[ivan134]

Yeah, I love Nintendo, but they're stuck in the Jurassic period. The reason I think they will "get away with it" is they realize they wont win over your average Xbox or playstation user. Most of the channels that do exclusively Nintendo content have already signed up for the program and their die hard fans don't go to people like Angry Joe for their Nintendo content. At the same time, it allows Nintendo yo deal with people who bash their games. I'm not saying I agree with this, but I'm speculating that this was their line of thinking.

On the other hand, Nintendo themselves are the reason they can't win over Xbox and playstation users. N64 using cartridges, despite the game cube being more powerful than the ps2, they used mini discs. Ps2 (and later Xbox) was basically a free DVD player at a time when DVDs were popular (also every teenager now had a way to watch porn in his room in the age of dial up internet). And now, the wiiu not being powerful enough to run 3rd party games. I like a lot of the unique things they do like backwards compatibility and multiple control options (seriously, wiiu is the closest thing to PC than the other consoles), but these things didn't need to happen at the expense of the other things I mentioned.

[T6kke]

When I noticed his mario party video 2 thinks came to mind. He ether wanted to see if the Nintendo crap is still going on or he made a deal with Nintendo.

 

Now let me just say that I disagree what Nintendo is doing and it's stupid and in the long turn it will hurt them.

 

But Joe is being a dumbass. He had that that happen to him before and he still uploaded a that video. He should have know what will happen. Even more so now that Nintendo had made clear rules on how to upload videos so they would like it. So at the moment we are totally in a point where you make a deal with Nintendo or you just don't make videos of their games. And he should have known that.

 

Or he did know that and since there really isn't big enough backlash on Nintendo for it, he made himself more of a victim to bring more attention to the problem. But that is just a speculation and only he knows if that is true.

 

 

 

 

As for the Nintendo actions, they are totally digging themselves into an hole. This will stop every little guy making videos of any Nintendo game since they take like 50% of the revenue. And only the bigger guys who can afford to take that hit will make that deal. And even then only the dedicated Nintendo game channels will take that hit. People who cover all sorts of other games as well will just not take the time and effort for Nintendo game since they can spend that time on some other game and make double the money.

 

I kind of afraid that if Nintendo does get away with it other big publishers will follow. And that it will also expand to Twitch and all other stuff. I'm sure that EA, Ubisoft and Activision/Blizzard will want to take that money. Imagine all the e-sports money that Blizzard could get. Even someone like Riot could get into that action with LOL, although the only LOL tourney that people watch is done by Riot.

 

That said it would leave content creators with more indies and games under publishers like Paradox will get even more air time. So I'm not really sad about it.

[DeadCat]

Big Surprise! I really hope more people do this, so Nintendo stops this B.S.

[GoodBytes]

Yeah, I love Nintendo, but they're stuck in the Jurassic period. The reason I think they will "get away with it" is they realize they wont win over your average Xbox or playstation user. Most of the channels that do exclusively Nintendo content have already signed up for the program and their die hard fans don't go to people like Angry Joe for their Nintendo content. At the same time, it allows Nintendo yo deal with people who bash their games. I'm not saying I agree with this, but I'm speculating that this was their line of thinking.

I agree, and that is silly. You want critics to improve yourself. It is needed to keep their fan base, and grow at the same time.

Right now, Nintendo is simply locking themselves in, when they need to grow. It is not like Nintendo is making huge profits as they once done.

The problem is that the executives at Nintendo don't understand YouTube. But YouTube have downsides as well, but they are only looking at the downsides. The downsides isn't only critics, it is stuff like back with Smash Brothers on Wii. All the cut scenes that reward the gamer as they progress in the game story mode, which Nintendo works really hard on, was distributed online, loosing all value (in their eyes). I won't be surprised if they see it as a form of piracy, because they executives at Nintendo Japan are old, not connected with the today's world generation.

 

On the other hand, Nintendo themselves are the reason they can't win over Xbox and playstation users. N64 using cartridges, despite the game cube being more powerful than the ps2, they used mini discs. Ps2 (and later Xbox) was basically a free DVD player at a time when DVDs were popular (also every teenager now had a way to watch porn in his room in the age of dial up internet). And now, the wiiu not being powerful enough to run 3rd party games. I like a lot of the unique things they do like backwards compatibility and multiple control options (seriously, wiiu is the closest thing to PC than the other consoles), but these things didn't need to happen at the expense of the other things I mentioned.

No not really. The move was smart on Nintendo part if you think about it.

Nintendo developers have YEARS and YEARS of high experience of developing and optimizing their games on PowerPC processor. The GameCube had it, the Wii, and now the WiiU. The chip is inexpensive, which ties with the affordable price point that Nintendo wanted to target. Remember, WiiU attempt was to replicate the Wii's success. This is the famous saying "why change what works". So everything is copied down. Heck the game pad everyone thinks it is Nintendo jumping on the touch screen/tablet craze, that is not true. That is not the reason for the device. It was off TV play, a feature that was greatly pushed on at every event at the announcement of WiiU. It even has the sensors (IR LEDs) on it for a Wii motion controller to work on it. And sadly all this costs money, so the console had to be cut in performance.

Remember that when the WiiU was released, people were fairly impressed with the specs. It was ahead of the current console. A bit faster CPU, but more RAM, and more powerful GPU. It just crushed by Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo big mistake was to release first, (well not that it would make any difference as the CPU, I believe they got the fastest one from IBM which was only marginally faster than the XBox 360 despite all these years (it more far more power efficient however)). Because I believe, that no matter what Nintendo would release. Even they scrap the controller screen, get a GeForce 970 in some way, Core i5 and 8GB of RAM. Sony and Microsoft would release with the 980, 16GB of RAM, and Intel Core i7 8 core CPU.

The N64 opted with cartridges for a few reasons:

-> Cost.

-> Lack of good DRM protection at the time (either too weak, or was problematic).

-> Nintendo was so big that every company that they work with screwed them left and right.

The GameCube small disc was the best DRM you can ask for. Smaller disc are harder to find, and no need of any software. The disk was also read on reverse than normal (outside in, instead of inside out), making burning very difficult.

Why DRM is important:

-> It prevents unauthorized content from being made for the console (as ultimately Nintendo is responsible, and also they wont make money from the license fee, and that was the main reason why there was the video game crashed in North America. Everyone was selling in stores total crap).

-> Region locking. For pricing problem and also country laws. If a government could not ban a game, they could ban the console. But of course, today, time have changed.

-> And of course, prevent privacy.

Disc cost was minimal, and games could been put onto 2 disks, not the end of the world. The reason why the PS2 won, was the DVD playback as you said, but also image. Sony was targeting a more mature audience, while Nintendo was stuck with kids, and didn't have a balance (a problem with the N64), so Nintendo had this image (and still does), despite the GameCube having more mature games, because their marketing was not good enough, and the company still put restrictions on game developers for games sold outside of Japan (no blood, for example). This is also important for Nintendo who was trying and has successfully reach a level like Walt Disney. Family friendly console, when you think of Nintendo. It could have been handled better. One feature they didn't even push was its online capability and LAN party capability. That is why the console had a handle.

[othertomperson]

The only logical outcome of this is I stop buying games for my Wii U. I saw YouTubers play a couple of games, so I got the system and those games, with the intention of looking for more content online on games I might be interested in. This is how I shop for any videogame.

 

If Nintendo are actively trying to prevent me from seeing gameplay of products I might actually be interested in, the only outcome from this is me saving £40 and a console gathering dust.

[GoodBytes]

But Joe is being a dumbass. He had that that happen to him before and he still uploaded a that video. He should have know what will happen. Even more so now that Nintendo had made clear rules on how to upload videos so they would like it. So at the moment we are totally in a point where you make a deal with Nintendo or you just don't make videos of their games. And he should have known that.

 

As he said in the video which I posted. He was testing the waters. The first video that got flagged was really a let's play video. This one was highlights. He wanted to see if a bit of clips here and there would allow him to make a review. But sadly, it's a big no. Now MAYBE Angry Joe could fight it, but remember that YouTube doesn't block re0submission of flags by the same owners, despite contested (which is retarded), looses 14 days, and has to do it every time.

Or he did know that and since there really isn't big enough backlash on Nintendo for it, he made himself more of a victim to bring more attention to the problem. But that is just a speculation and only he knows if that is true.

I don't think so, else he would do his usual screaming and anger. He was calm in this video. He did spent 900$. He could have spent 300$ or 200$ refurbished by just getting the console and get the same effect if that is what he wanted. And remember, his fans donated the money FOR THIS. He must at least try.

I agree with the rest of your post.

[kuddlesworth9419]

It's kind of his fault though, he knows Nintendo dos this sort of crap but still did Nintendo stuff. Total Biscuit and many other You Tuber's don't do Nintendo stuff for this very reason. 

[CommandMan7]

I'm on mobile so I can't post any links, but if you want a better understanding of nintendo's failure of a console look up BLACKB0ND on youtube. He does short videos on current console failures, but mostly about nintendo.

[Camul]

His argument is pretty flawed. They're not doing it because he recommended the game, they did it because he monetized that recommendation and they feel like they're owed part of that. I don't agree with Nintendo though, they're greedy and they're only shooting themselves in the foot. Nintendo might have the most loyal, idiotic, unreasonable fanbase, but god knows they could do with attracting a few more customers. Their stupidity has lost them so much money.

[T6kke]

 

As he said in the video which I posted. He was testing the waters. The first video that got flagged was really a let's play video. This one was highlights. He wanted to see if a bit of clips here and there would allow him to make a review. But sadly, it's a big no. Now MAYBE Angry Joe could fight it, but remember that YouTube doesn't block re0submission of flags by the same owners, despite contested (which is retarded), looses 14 days, and has to do it every time.

I don't think so, else he would do his usual screaming and anger. He was calm in this video. He did spent 900$. He could have spent 300$ or 200$ refurbished by just getting the console and get the same effect if that is what he wanted. And remember, his fans donated the money FOR THIS. He must at least try.

I agree with the rest of your post.

 

 

Yea. I also wonder how far does it go. Nintendo should not be able to do it with reviews. But what if they do it with reviews. In that case that would bring a lot more eyes to the problem. I can already see the headlines: "Nintendo makes money on from reviews of their own games". That can't end well for them.

 

I guess that is a thing that Joe could test since he is very much invested in the situation.

[ivan134]

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Disagree on the DRM issue. One of the main reasons for the video game crash was the same thing that is happening today. "Men in suits" wanted in on video game profits and devs welcomed the increased capital. Soon enough the "men in suits" decreased the amount of artistic freedom because they wanted to make as much money as possible by trying to make a relatively niche medium appeal to the masses (see COD). Quality went to crap, the people who were playing games as a fad stopped, and by that time Atari had lost it's devout audience.

 

Which leads to why choosing mini discs because of DRM was dumb: PS2 is the best selling console of all time even with all the pirating that happened with that console and it was very profitable for Sony.

 

I don't really see how Nintendo was stuck with an image problem when it came to the GameCube and also don't know where you heard they didn't allow blood in games outside Japan. Games like 007 Goldeneye and Perfect Dark had blood and Conker's Bad Fur Day was one of the most "offensive" games of it's time. All these were only on N64. Some of their very own franchises aren't even kid or family friendly. Metroid and Fire Emblem are not kid friendly games. Nintendo is good at compartmentalizing. They said the reason why Tharja from Fire Emblem didn't make it into Smash 4 was because she looked too suggestive, but that is still a character from one of their own exclusives. Even on the Wii, which sold so much because of being family friendly, they still had games like No More Heroes (you really don't get more suggestive than this game playing it on a wiimote), Mad World and The Conduit.

 

If they really wanted to recapture the audience they did with the Wii, the WiiU should have been called Wii2. We all know how much the average customer likes their numbers to indicate the new piece of tech they just bought is better than the one they had before (see iphone, galaxy line, playstation, etc). Instead, when the average sees or hears about it, they think it's just another wii peripheral like the other ones they made that had the wii prefix. With "Wii2" having those people covered, don't make a console that is only slightly better than the 360 and ps3. I think you're wrong about them releasing too early. If they had release at the same time, as ps4 and x1, it would still have had weaker specs due to most of the cost coming from the GamePad. Remember that people like you and I who have liked just about everything they did with their consoles, are not the people who will make them the most money. I think the GamePad is cool, but most people don't care about it.

 

The people running Nintendo really have no idea what they're doing. Nintendo is sitting on a gold mine, but they keep punching themselves in the face with their decisions.

[NAP51DMustang]

It's kind of his fault though, he knows Nintendo dos this sort of crap but still did Nintendo stuff. Total Biscuit and many other You Tuber's don't do Nintendo stuff for this very reason. 

Congrats on missing the point of the entire video.

[alphaproject]

What a joke.... F U Nintendo. Hilarious rant too.

[Misanthrope]

Many games have been successful without DRM since and currently. Nintendo's success is largely due to them providing quality products, not quality DRM. This is something that people needs to understand: Good customers will pay you even if they can pirate, and pirates will copy your stuff even if you go to incredible lengths to prevent so and at the point that you could slow down pirates you'll be loosing good customers due to unsustainable practices like always online drm.