Because using Australia's internet wasn't bad enough...

[mr moose]

Give us netflix already.

probably won't happen, the government still owns 17% of telstra which is held in the futures fund.  Telstra operates in partnership with foxtell delivering both cable and online content.   that's a big hurdle for netflix to get past.

[Mooshi]

This makes me even more glad we never moved to Australia..though we do have the NSA which isn't any better.. God dammit governments of the world, you are why we can't have nice things.

[Cookie Monster]

both labor and liberal are shit tho u cant win, they both do one or two thing right and everything else completely wrong... ffs

You're only a teenager so I can forgive your naivety.

 

The Liberal Party are basically the Tea Party who want to slash the welfare state and eliminate protection to the vulnerable so rich people can pay less tax and exploit those whose protections are being withdrawn by their friends in The Lodge.

 

The Labor Party gave you just about every social policy worth a damn, tried to give you decent internet.and an equitable tax system with the resource rent tax and carbon tax.

 

Both parties are idiotic in believing high, and rapidly increasing, property prices are good for the economy; I'll give you that though.

[mr moose]

You're only a teenager so I can forgive your naivety.

 

The Liberal Party are basically the Tea Party who want to slash the welfare state and eliminate protection to the vulnerable so rich people can pay less tax and exploit those whose protections are being withdrawn by their friends in The Lodge.

 

The Labor Party gave you just about every social policy worth a damn, tried to give you decent internet.and an equitable tax system with the resource rent tax and carbon tax.

 

Both parties are idiotic in believing high, and rapidly increasing, property prices are good for the economy; I'll give you that though.

careful your political persuasion is showing. 

 

Labour aren't saints and liberal aren't the devil.  An example is that general disability support received more funding under the Howard government than the previous labour and in the following labour government aid funding and DSP funding was cut almost to the bone.  In the history of politics (contrary to popular belief) neither side of politics has reduced funding to public schools or health.   The taxes you talk about and the resources tax were heavily flawed,  No country in the world has taxed it's way out of trouble, and no intelligent person starts taxing the only industry that keeps the countries GDP in the positive.

[d33g33]

Of course we are following in the US' footsteps, did anyone expect any different?

[JAKEBAB]

Of course we are following in the US' footsteps, did anyone expect any different?

I did before Tony got elected lol

[mr moose]

I did before Tony got elected lol

 

 

 

What about wayne swan and his constant praise of obama?  or howard and bush? or hawk with regan and bush Senior?

 

They all do it, we have been heading there for decades, it's not a political thing, it's an economic one.

[The_Strict_Nein]

Hi, my names Elias and welcome to Australia, the country where everything else is awesome except the price of PC parts is ridiculous and the internet connection sucks.

 

And where everything is trying to kill you

[Raid]

From the article:

Lawyers, including Edward Snowden's US defence attorney, have suggested the laws concerning disclosure were "draconian" and "chilling" as they would threaten intelligence leakers with 10 years' imprisonment and make it an offence for journalists to report on information they receive from whistleblowers.

I do find it interesting, and somewhat worrying, how apparently everyone else should have proper privacy and right for secrecy except governments and anyone associated with them.

[mr moose]

And where everything is trying to kill you

that's not true there is only a small list of things that kill in Australia:

 

red back spider

funnel web spider

white tail spider

Black snake

brown snake

death adder

taipan

tiger snake

copper head snake

red belly snake

king brown snake

scorpion

half a dozen bugs

dogs

box jellyfish

grey nurse and great white sharks

bikies

victoria police

trains

and the tax man.

 

And if you're really unlucky you might end up one of the  1 in 100,000 that gets murdered.

[The_Strict_Nein]

that's not true there is only a small list of things that kill in Australia:

 

red back spider

funnel web spider

white tail spider

Black snake

brown snake

death adder

taipan

tiger snake

copper head snake

red belly snake

king brown snake

scorpion

half a dozen bugs

dogs

box jellyfish

grey nurse and great white sharks

bikies

victoria police

trains

and the tax man.

 

And if you're really unlucky you might end up one of the  1 in 100,000 that gets murdered.

 

England:

 

Chavs

Psychos

Drunk people

 

That's it. The last time someone died due to an Adder in England was 70 years ago and was a small child, 2 years old. The last adult to die was over 200 years ago

[Cruiseshipfan]

Well, I think of it this way:

• They use it to catch paedophiles, serial rapists and child pornographers
• I have nothing to hide in regards to that, and I hope you do not as well

"Distrust and Caution are the parents of Security"

 

Without recording apparatus, it is near-impossible to convict the right offenders effectively.

 

Except knowing Abbott this wont be used to do that he will do it to attack piracy. But the way he wants to do it is by blocking or punishing all those who use services that are linked to piracy or even just file-sharing. 

[xox]

Except knowing Abbott this wont be used to do that he will do it to attack piracy. But the way he wants to do it is by blocking or punishing all those who use services that are linked to piracy or even just file-sharing.

Maybe you should bring it up with someone in the media that such effort are a waste of time and resources

[mr moose]

Maybe you should bring it up with someone in the media that such effort are a waste of time and resources

 

Generally in Australia the media only print articles written or based on interviews with professionals working in the field (unless it's a sensationalist tabloid that misses the facts). 

 

The average joe in Australia gets their political view points from either the media or their parents.   There are very few who watch question time or who read the transcripts of political speeches.  The amount of misinformation on both sides of politics is absolutely astounding.  I have been following politics for the better part of 20 years now, and every time I hear someone say "knowing X" or "we have an X government in now so" I cringe, because that is another sheep being lead by the media to the voting booth. 

 

Not all of the liberal parties policys are good, some scare me, like this one, however before dismissing the entire party, people should educate themselves on all the policies and why they are going down that path.

[Xorbot]

For F**k's sake. Time for a VPN

 

Welcome to 2004, sir.

[ofr057]

If you are annoyed about this i recommend you contact your federal minister

you can find your minister though the electoral commission

http://apps.aec.gov.au/esearch/

[mr moose]

If you are annoyed about this i recommend you contact your federal minister

you can find your minister though the electoral commission

http://apps.aec.gov.au/esearch/

exactly, and do it regardless of their party alignment.  If you don't feel your local member is listening to you then also send your correspondence straight to the minister for communications or to the appropriate shadow/minister in another party, I.E if your local member is labor and you don't feel they are giving it due attention then also send your concerns to the Liberal minister for communications or to the greens member or or relevant member of any party you think will help promote your concerns.

 

Also when inquiries are advertised by the house of reps you can also make a submission outlining your concerns or support for said proposals. I have done this several times.

 

http://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representatives_committees?url=documnts/howsub.htm

[Cookie Monster]

  No country in the world has taxed it's way out of trouble, and no intelligent person starts taxing the only industry that keeps the countries GDP in the positive.

Australia doesn't have a budget emergency. Government debt is negligible by international standards, Britain's average debt since 1692 was over 100% of GDP; remember also government never need to repay their debt at all.

 

Australia's tax take as a percentage of GDP is low by its own historic standards meaning there's plenty of low hanging fruit there. To give Tony Abbott credit increasing petrol duty by inflation again is a perfectly sensible tax change that should have occurred a long time ago.

 

The resource rent is low compared to what was originally proposed. Even with the tax Australia is still a low cost and politically stable country to build mines in. The oil industry didn't collapse when a similar tax was introduced in the 1980s.

[mr moose]

Australia doesn't have a budget emergency. Government debt is negligible by international standards, Britain's average debt since 1692 was over 100% of GDP; remember also government never need to repay their debt at all.

 

Australia's tax take as a percentage of GDP is low by its own historic standards meaning there's plenty of low hanging fruit there. To give Tony Abbott credit increasing petrol duty by inflation again is a perfectly sensible tax change that should have occurred a long time ago.

 

The resource rent is low compared to what was originally proposed. Even with the tax Australia is still a low cost and politically stable country to build mines in. The oil industry didn't collapse when a similar tax was introduced in the 1980s.

 

If we don't have a budget issue then why are we taxing Australia's main source of income at all?   A. the world went through a major upset in 2008, Australia was shielded from that because of it's strong ties with the Asian market which didn't suffer.  Since then Government revenue has been falling.  As of right now government revenue is not high enough to cover all expenditure, that is why services are being cut.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/budget-in-limbo-as-tax-revenues-dry-up/story-fn59nsif-1226796879772

 

Of course the oil industry didn't collapse,  oil is an essential commodity that we can't outsource (everyone needs petrol), however minerals like Iron ore, coal and bauxite are exported commodities that can be outsourced (ergo we lose sales to another country), we are facing major competition from African mines that can supply the demand and cheaper than we can.  You may have heard of the two speed economy, essentially the mining sector is one speed and everything else is another,  the mining sector is keep everything else afloat, The reason the resource tax is lower now than what they originally tried to bring is because they realised that hitting the industry that hard was very dangerous.  I applaud labor for re-negotiating and settling for a compromise that (while not perfect) at lease didn't threaten a drop in investment in Australia. 

 

there are a lot of red herrings being thrown around about GDP and interest rates etc, but the basic crux of the matter is that the budget can either be in deficit (we can't afford to pay everyone without borrowing money from oversees) or surplus (we can pay everyone and invest in a more projects).  It's not dangerous to go into deficit every now and then, but when the long term prospect is deficit for too long that's when countries become dangerously unstable. Classic example just recently is the Greek government.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis

[JAKEBAB]

What about wayne swan and his constant praise of obama? or howard and bush? or hawk with regan and bush Senior?

They all do it, we have been heading there for decades, it's not a political thing, it's an economic one.

I'm not saying we havnt been heading there but this privacy bs wouldn't of happened if we still had Kevin Rudd or Atleast not this soon.

[Redheadsrule13]

Goddamnit, this pisses me off as there isn't shit I can do about it. It was really just a matter of time before Australia followed suit behind the US and did something like this in it's never-ending quest to lick the shit of off the US' shoes if it so deems us worthy. 
The best thing that can happen is we get a double dissolution and this government full of ass-hats gets kicked out and some new people, who don't want to solely fuck the the citizens of the country, can come and actually support and advance the interests of the public.

Sorry for being so profane. That happens when I get pissed the hell off.
 

[flibberdipper]

Thank god the US ISP's don't do that!

 

If it wasn't for the NSA I would never feel secure.

 

/s

[SkilledRebuilds]

Sauce: http://games.on.net/2014/08/protecting-your-privacy-iinets-stand-against-mandatory-data-retention/

"If it helps catch crooks, what’s the problem?

Australia already has systems in place to help catch crooks. (Sauce: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Series/C2004A02124 )

Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979

It specifies the circumstances in which interception of customer communications is lawful and when it is permitted for telecommunications companies to disclose communications data.

The focus of this data retention proposal is not crooks; it’s the 23 million law-abiding men, women and children that will go about their daily lives without ever bothering law enforcement. Those 23 million customers include my 93-year-old mum and my 12-year-old niece. We don’t believe that is either necessary or proportionate for law enforcement.

 

We’ve seen no evidence that justifies surveilling inoffensive customers on the chance that, two years later, some evidence might help an investigation. It’s the equivalent of collecting and storing every single haystack in the country, indexing and filing all the straws, keeping them safe for two years, just in case there’s a needle, somewhere. We don’t know if there’s a needle, but there might be.

I say forget spying on my mother and niece and get on with chasing the crooks.

 

What will this all cost?

It is hard to measure exactly what this will all cost, but we expect that collecting and keeping every customer’s ‘metadata’ would require the construction of many new data centres, each storing petabytes (that’s 1 billion megabytes!) of information at a cost of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. There is no suggestion that the government would pay these costs, so our customers will be expected to pick up these costs in the form of a new surveillance tax.

 

If they need someone to process the full set of metadata down to metadata-minus-content, then there is a significant cost to process the collected metadata and redact it.

Imagine a lot of people with thick black markers, blotting out the content – just like the government does with some Freedom-of-Information requests.

 

The Government must also consider the privacy implications if Internet providers are to be compelled to collect data on Australians. The vast amount of data stored would prove to be an appealing target for hackers all around the world – creating a risk of information and identity theft in the event that storage of the data is breached.

It’s not right. It’s not Australian, we don’t support it."

 

A Good Read about metadata and a IiNet's response.

 

A simple point...More data being collected would mean more places for cyber terrorists to attack.

Like the typical movies plot... we claim to build it for 'defence' purposes and bad guys know about & use it for their proposed target.

[mr moose]

Sauce: http://games.on.net/2014/08/protecting-your-privacy-iinets-stand-against-mandatory-data-retention/

If it helps catch crooks, what’s the problem?

Australia already has systems in place to help catch crooks. (Sauce: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Series/C2004A02124 )

Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979

It specifies the circumstances in which interception of customer communications is lawful and when it is permitted for telecommunications companies to disclose communications data.

The focus of this data retention proposal is not crooks; it’s the 23 million law-abiding men, women and children that will go about their daily lives without ever bothering law enforcement. Those 23 million customers include my 93-year-old mum and my 12-year-old niece. We don’t believe that is either necessary or proportionate for law enforcement.

 

We’ve seen no evidence that justifies surveilling inoffensive customers on the chance that, two years later, some evidence might help an investigation. It’s the equivalent of collecting and storing every single haystack in the country, indexing and filing all the straws, keeping them safe for two years, just in case there’s a needle, somewhere. We don’t know if there’s a needle, but there might be.

I say forget spying on my mother and niece and get on with chasing the crooks.

 

What will this all cost?

It is hard to measure exactly what this will all cost, but we expect that collecting and keeping every customer’s ‘metadata’ would require the construction of many new data centres, each storing petabytes (that’s 1 billion megabytes!) of information at a cost of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. There is no suggestion that the government would pay these costs, so our customers will be expected to pick up these costs in the form of a new surveillance tax.

 

If they need someone to process the full set of metadata down to metadata-minus-content, then there is a significant cost to process the collected metadata and redact it.

Imagine a lot of people with thick black markers, blotting out the content – just like the government does with some Freedom-of-Information requests.

 

The Government must also consider the privacy implications if Internet providers are to be compelled to collect data on Australians. The vast amount of data stored would prove to be an appealing target for hackers all around the world – creating a risk of information and identity theft in the event that storage of the data is breached.

It’s not right. It’s not Australian, we don’t support it.

 

A Good Read about metadata and a IiNet's response.

 

A simple point...More data being collected would mean more places for cyber terrorists to attack.

Like the typical movies plot... we claim to build it for 'defence' purposes and bad guys know about & use it for their proposed target.

 

I don't mind personal opinions and I agree with yours in principal,  but please don't exaggerate to make your point.  There are only 23 million people in this country, more than 5 million of those are under 5 years old or over 80, I don't thing they are using the net or phones much.    And of whats left they aren't all law abiding.  Plus I don't know if you've been up north but I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't 4 million people without both a phone and internet.

 

To that end why must every lobby group/activist and government exaggerate and bodge up the statistics to prove their point, it's pretty bloody simple here on the ground,  My internet data is my private affair and if they want to watch it then they can get a court order. until then it should be just like the postal system and telephony where taps are illegal without warrants.

[ajoy39]

Well u can blame all the dickheads that voted for libs lol country is crashing down haha

nope.