Nvidia is lying to you

[Emily Young]

When Nvidia unlaunched the 12GB RTX 4080, gamers rejoiced – But now that GPU is back as the RTX 4070 Ti. “Starting at” $799, is it the win we all hoped it would be, or is it too expensive for a 70-series graphics card?

 

 

[Murasaki]

if only it was just nvidia

[Likwid]

I don't know how amd costs more. In eu you can get RX 7900 XT for 960 eur and RTX 4070 TI for 1090 eur. But the interesting thing is that RTX 4080 price jumped up by 100 eur in last week from 1200 to 1300 eur.

[hassel]

Are you sure the power consumption numbers are correct for Forza Horizon | Watts/Frame? @GabenJr@James

Linus admits the sensor readout mistake in the 7900 review and says that you are using TotalBoardPower for now.
But the numbers for Forza looking like TotalGraphicsPower again, the ones before were correct (MSI Kombuster, F1) and using the TotalBoardPower.
Correspondingly the Watts/Frame slides are then also incorrect.

 

Here the slide from the 7900 review, which you admitted were using the wrong sensor:


When the 7900xtx is running into the limit, the TotalGraphicsPower sits around 290W - TotalBoardPower is then 350W. Aligns perfectly with the graphs.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 hour ago, GabenJr said:

When Nvidia unlaunched the 12GB RTX 4080, gamers rejoiced – But now that GPU is back as the RTX 4070 Ti. “Starting at” $799, is it the win we all hoped it would be, or is it too expensive for a 70-series graphics card?

 

 

L. M. F. A. O

 

This card is just as spectacularly bad as I had imagined. Eff off, Nvidia.

[Fendrick]

Somebody better call Sherlock Holmes.

[lezmaka]

Script: So if we're looking at a 3090 or 3090 Ti equivalent, surely 4070 Ti should be more energy efficient?
Graphs: No power results for 30 series at all

[Radium_Angel]

So nVidia is lying, AMD is overheating, Intel's drivers suck rocks.....

 

screw it, I"m going back to Matrox! 

[Fendrick]

Or just buy a 6900 XT and say *Nice*

[Middcore]

LMG will continue to use Nvidia GPU's for every single build they do, this helping to ensure that the low-to-moderate-info viewers who treat those videos as a reference and source of inspiration will continue to view Nvidia products as superior and more desirable and Nvidia will continue to do what they're doing.

[Fendrick]

1 minute ago, Middcore said:

LMG will continue to use Nvidia GPU's for every single build they do, this helping to ensure that the low-to-moderate-info viewers who treat those videos as a reference and source of inspiration will continue to view Nvidia products as superior and more desirable and Nvidia will continue to do what they're doing.

I wouldn't put it quite as simple as that, you have to remember that LMG is a business, and I am sure they get sent products all the time, simply I also know that Nvidia is king in performance at the top end, it really depends on what they have to use for a build but also the fact that if Radeon don't fit the bill then Nvidia is likely to replace it in the build.

 

 

[Zodiark1593]

Given that Nvidia doesn’t really have competition besides themselves, there isn’t a lot of wrong moves they can make. 
 

GPU Hellscape indeed. 

[Tony1337]

The hellhole that is the GPU market sinks further and further...

[JEskandari]

Radium_Angel

don't Matrox use nVIDIA technology , something like customized Quadro GPUs ?

[Senzelian]

17 minutes ago, Schnoz said:

I miss when x070-series cards cost USD $400

They used to cost unter $300... 

 

I bought two GTX 980s (Gigabyte G1 models, so pre overclocked) for 550€ each. The lower end models were far under 500€. Some even below 400€ near the end of their production span.

 

GTX 970s were below 300€, sometimes down to 250€. GTX 960s were at 170-230€.

950s were at 100€. I remember deals were you could get a 950 for 95€. NINETY-FIVE! 

 

Edit:
And because I know someone won't believe me, here's a graph that shows the pricing of a Gigabyte GTX 980 Windforce:

 

[jaslion]

9 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

They used to cost unter $300... 

 

I bought two GTX 980s (Gigabyte G1 models, so pre overclocked) for 550€ each. The lower end models were far under 500€. Some even below 400€ near the end of their production span.

 

GTX 970s were below 300€, sometimes down to 250€. GTX 960s were at 170-230€.

950s were at 100€. I remember deals were you could get a 950 for 95€. NINETY-FIVE! 

 

Edit:
And because I know someone won't believe me, here's a graph that shows the pricing of a Gigabyte GTX 980 Windforce:

 

Oh yeah gpu's used to be cheap and hold the same pricing for a long time. Even adjust for inflation these cards aren't acting normal.

 

Especially since the 3090ti ISNT a new class of card it's a replacement of the last top end stuff aka the 80ti series or worst case the titan card.

 

Even for the ti or titans those prices make no sense.

 

It's all just bs and I hate it.

[Rex Hite]

I like that the review discussed aspects to GPU performance not related to gaming but rather to workstations.

 

[Vishera]

1 hour ago, Schnoz said:

I miss when x070-series cards cost USD $400 and x080-Ti cards cost $700. I'm worried that Nvidia's and AMD's inability or unwillingness to price their cards lower will have a serious negative impact for gamers and consumers in general.

I started building PCs at a time when flagship GPUs were $500 max.

The HD 5870, GTX 480, HD 6970, GTX 580 all of those flagship GPUs were at a MSRP of $500 or less.

 

Every year NVIDIA and AMD kept increasing the MSRP of their lineups.

 

AMD:

HD 5870 - $399

HD 6970 - $369

HD 7970 - $549

R9 290X - $549

R9 Fury X - $649

RADEON VII - $699

RX 6900 XT - $999

RX 6950 XT - $1099

RX 7900 XTX -  $999

 

NVIDIA:

GTX 285 - $359

GTX 480 - $499

GTX 580 - $499

GTX 680 - $499

GTX 780 - $649

GTX 780 Ti - $699

GTX 980 - $549

GTX 980 Ti - $649

GTX 1080 - $599

GTX 1080 Ti - $699

TITAN V - $2,999

RTX 2080 Ti - $999

TITAN RTX - $2,499

RTX 3090 - $1,499

RTX 3090 Ti - $1,999

RTX 4090 - $1,599

 

* I excluded the GTX TITAN, TITAN X and the TITAN X Pascal because the 80 Ti class cards of those generations offered equivalent performance or better for lower price rendering them irrelevant,

Newer TITANs are different since they offer a significant increase in performance over the 80 Ti class of their generation.

 

* Vega 64 and Polaris are excluded because those cards were far behind NVIDIA's flagships at the time and didn't compete with them not in price nor in performance.

 

* Dual GPU cards are not included because they are significantly more expensive to produce due to the 2 GPU dies, so they are not comparable to single GPU cards when it comes to price.

 

 

Also there is this:

 

I wonder where those margins came from... - The price hikes + partially at the expense of AIBs profits.

And now that AIBs have less than 10% profit margins  - I am not surprised that AIBs can't hit MSRP prices.

 

NVIDIA's current strategy is not sustainable, not for consumers, nor for AIBs - If they continue like that it will blow up in their face.

Products staying on shelves, partners quitting, shrinking of the market, loss of revenue and more...

 

And AMD following in NVIDIA's footsteps will inherit some if not all of those things.

[Middcore]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

Oh yeah gpu's used to be cheap and hold the same pricing for a long time. Even adjust for inflation these cards aren't acting normal.

 

Especially since the 3090ti ISNT a new class of card it's a replacement of the last top end stuff aka the 80ti series or worst case the titan card.

 

Even for the ti or titans those prices make no sense.

 

It's all just bs and I hate it.

 

You're looking at it all wrong, my friend. All you need to do is set your reference point for comparing performance sufficiently far back in the past that today's price-for-performance seems good! Consider that the 8800GT sold for $250 15 years ago. Today's cards have 30-40x the performance of an 8800GT, while "only" costing 4-5x as much! With the right perspective, you'll see that Nvidia letting us access these powerhouses for anything less than $10,000 is an incredible steal! Thanks, leather jacket man! 

[Sir Beregond]

90-class card are a rebranding of former xx80 Ti cards, not Titans. Change my mind.

 

As for the 4070 Ti, same performance as 3090/3090 Ti for same exact real world pricing as these cards. Good job Nvidia, love the stagnated price to performance gen on gen.

[Quackers101]

Nice a longer video and information!

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, Middcore said:

 

You're looking at it all wrong, my friend. All you need to do is set your reference point for comparing performance sufficiently far back in the past that today's price-for-performance seems good! Consider that the 8800GT sold for $250 15 years ago. Today's cards have 30-40x the performance of an 8800GT, while "only" costing 4-5x as much! With the right perspective, you'll see that Nvidia letting us access these powerhouses for anything less than $10,000 is an incredible steal! Thanks, leather jacket man! 

You had me in the first half

[Middcore]

Just now, jaslion said:

You had me in the first half

 

Probably because there are people on this very forum who use this argument in earnest. 

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, Middcore said:

 

Probably because there are people on this very forum who use this argument in earnest. 

Oh yeah I've seen those.

 

I literally then say ok then well I guess a bag of flour should be my entire months wage then if I adjust it for inflation.

[Kid.Lazer]

2 hours ago, Vishera said:

I started building PCs at a time when flagship GPUs were $500 max.

Same here. And I didn't dare spend that much money then. Now they expect me to spend 3x that much? Um, how aboooouut... no.

 

The only flagship I ever bought was an HD4870, and that was only after it was a generation old and on sale.