Microsoft is Forcing me to Buy MacBooks - Windows Modern Standby

[AlexTheGreatish]

 

For the last THREE years Windows laptops have been plagued by terrible battery drain while the user ISN'T EVEN DOING ANYTHING. It's gotten to the point where we can't recommend using a Windows laptop because of Windows Modern Standby.

 

 

[Senzelian]

Just checked my Lenovo P1 and neither S1, S2 nor S0 are supported. Only S3 is and Hibernate. I guess this is due to the relatively old Xeon E-2176M.

Edit: I never experienced this tho, as I always shut down my notebooks. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

this is also a Linux issue by the way, as far as i know Linux has issues with this S0iX nonsense as well. 

 

to find out what sleep states are supported on the system on linux: 

sudo dmesg | grep ACPI | grep supports

on my laptop that returns: 

so i'm good, but yea, this sucks. manufacturers should just include S3. 

 

in positive news though, linux may have issues with it, but should have support theoretically. intel even made an article on it: https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-linux

[AbydosOne]

My Lenovo Flex 5 with a Ryzen 4500U also doesn't support S0, S1, or S2, which is perfectly fine with me.

[manikyath]

so THIS is why my work laptop randomly wakes in my backpack and starts spamming me with outlook notifications...

[Crunchy Dragon]

Hi, my name is Crunchy and I'm a lifelong Windows user who switched to a MacBook Pro.

 

For what feels like the first time ever, my laptop actually reaches the manufacturer's claimed battery life, even if I'm opening and closing it throughout the day. Apple marketed the 2019 16" MBP as reaching 11 hours of battery life and so far it hasn't disappointed.

 

I might be fully on the Apple train for laptops from here on out, and I guess I have something new to watch out for should I ever need to buy a Windows laptop.

[D13H4RD]

Modern Standby is probably why my Slim 7i 13" is at the repair depot for the past 2 weeks, and not with me.

 

I've had more than a few instances where the laptop drained a huge chunk of its battery after just putting it into a bag for a couple once the lid was closed. However, the worst one came after I did what I usually do, which is to charge the machine, then close the lid before putting it into my messenger bag.

 

After about 15 minutes of driving to a cafe for lunch, I wanted to take the machine out to work on some photos. Instead, what I was greeted with when opening the bag was a strong electronics smell, a bag whose internals are hella warm, and a laptop whose metal exterior is so hot, it could actually have been a burn hazard if you touched it for more than a couple of seconds. I had to actually leave it on the table for 10 minutes before it cooled sufficiently. I also lost over half of my battery in that time. Fantastic.
 

The laptop itself did not die but it later developed a major display issue which may or may not be related, hence the trip to the repair depot. I currently use a 16" MacBook Pro as my main laptop and so far, I've been really pleased.
 

Microsoft, just fix the damn thing for goodness sake. It's been a problem for years already...

[yolosnail]

I never had an issue with my 'travel laptop' until I updated it to Windows 11, since updating it the battery life has every so often been awful. Before updating to WIndows 11 I was getting an easy 7 hours, now I'm lucky to get past 4 or 5 unless I'm using it constantly!

 

The other day I took my laptop off charge in the morning, when I took it out of my bag at lunch time it was at 13%. 

 

And this is with a Ryzen 4300U, not exactly the most powerful laptop!

 

Just checked on my HP OMEN with a 9750H, and it looks like it doesn't even support S0. Lucky me!

[Bitter]

8 minutes ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

this is also a Linux issue by the way, as far as i know Linux has issues with this S0iX nonsense as well. 

 

to find out what sleep states are supported on the system on linux: 

sudo dmesg | grep ACPI | grep supports

on my laptop that returns: 

so i'm good, but yea, this sucks. manufacturers should just include S3. 

 

in positive news though, linux may have issues with it, but should have support theoretically. intel even made an article on it: https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-linux

Out of curiosity I tried that on my decade old Dell and...

laptop@laptop:~$ sudo dmesg | grep ACPI | grep supports
[sudo] password for laptop: 
laptop@laptop:~$ 

I get nothing?

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, Bitter said:

Out of curiosity I tried that on my decade old Dell and...

laptop@laptop:~$ sudo dmesg | grep ACPI | grep supports
[sudo] password for laptop: 
laptop@laptop:~$ 

I get nothing?

it might have either an old version of linux or some weirdness going on with ACPI. you could run 

sudo dmesg

without the grep commands and seeing what it outputs. 

[KeitaRR]

The video made it sound like applying windows update while it's sleeping is a good thing but I hate this feature. It tries to relaunch all the apps i had opened before sleeping but doesn't work on every app and sometimes it doesn't restore to the stage where I last left it at (left at a specific page but relaunched to the home page) and if you stuff unsaved then good luck. Applying updates while sleeping can be disabled through group policy and maybe that would help the battery draining issue too

[manikyath]

7 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

 

For what feels like the first time ever, my laptop actually reaches the manufacturer's claimed battery life, even if I'm opening and closing it throughout the day. Apple marketed the 2019 16" MBP as reaching 11 hours of battery life and so far it hasn't disappointed.

my private laptops always get very close at least, at my previous employer the laptops did a great job too because WAY overspecced and we did every possible optimization, down to plain nitpicking..

 

with my current job.. and current work laptop.. with a brand new battery in my laptop, i'm happy if the heap of junk will make it to lunch.. or y'know.. will start up in the morning. because everything is windows default behavior, and windows default is like trying to drive to work with your gearbox randomly cycling trough gears like it's roulette.

 

oh.. and on before mentioned previous employer.. we force-disabled sleep everywhere, because even without this issue.. sleep is absolutely the worst feature windows ever implemented.. it just breaks so much stuff you may as well turn your computer off with an axe every day.

 

and it just so happens.. sleep is that one thing that seemingly apple has always nailed..

[Bitter]

2 minutes ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

it might have either an old version of linux or some weirdness going on with ACPI. you could run 

sudo dmesg

without the grep commands and seeing what it outputs. 

That overfilled filled my terminal with a lot of stuff lol. Tried sudo dmesg | grep ACPI and got a lot of stuff about some snaps (??) and a bunch of

[55139.647183] ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3
[55139.675401] ACPI: Low-level resume complete
[55139.688326] ACPI: Waking up from system sleep state S3

[55139.647183] ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3
[55139.675401] ACPI: Low-level resume complete
[55139.688326] ACPI: Waking up from system sleep state S3

Likely from dropping the lid. I'm curious, and will need to check, I'm migrating to an 8th gen Intel based Dell soon and hope this won't be an issue. Currently on Ubuntu 20.04.5, so not that out of date.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

3 minutes ago, Bitter said:

That overfilled filled my terminal with a lot of stuff lol. Tried sudo dmesg | grep ACPI and got a lot of stuff about some snaps (??) and a bunch of

[55139.647183] ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3
[55139.675401] ACPI: Low-level resume complete
[55139.688326] ACPI: Waking up from system sleep state S3

[55139.647183] ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3
[55139.675401] ACPI: Low-level resume complete
[55139.688326] ACPI: Waking up from system sleep state S3

Likely from dropping the lid. I'm curious, and will need to check, I'm migrating to an 8th gen Intel based Dell soon and hope this won't be an issue. Currently on Ubuntu 20.04.5, so not that out of date.

that confirms it has S3, otherwise it wouldn't report that. and i'm on 22.10, so my system is very different to yours lol

[Ogrezeanu Razvan]

Zephyrus G14 seems to only support S3. Though I had all the problems you mentioned quite often (overheating in the bag and drainined battery).

[Bitter]

20 minutes ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

that confirms it has S3, otherwise it wouldn't report that. and i'm on 22.10, so my system is very different to yours lol

Well fingers crossed, I was planning to run the upgrade to 22 once I was onto the new faster hardware.

[AngryPig]

Unsure how related it is but my school had gave Lenovo ThinkPads to students around 2010 with Windows 7 and we had issues where if you shut the lid before it had finished sleeping or hibernating, it wouldn't complete the process. This lead to multiple laptops dying in backpacks (including my own) and eventually realising this issue, having to recommend to students to make sure the power indicator light switched off before closing the lid. And given this was a bunch of teenagers with free laptops, that advice wasn't exactly followed

[cyan_echo]

@AlexTheGreatish You can use powercfg command to switch to "Disconnected Standby" for both plugged in and battery modes. This allows you to retain the Instant On feature without risking battery drain. You can check the full writeup on Microsoft's blog: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/surface-it-pro-blog/surface-power-management-with-modern-standby-in-windows-10/ba-p/328897

I have switched to Disconnected Standby on my Surface Pro 7 and I haven't had the random drain issue ever since. Hopefully those same commands work on other laptops as well, not just Surface.

Tried to post this in the YT comments, but my comments are disappearing for some reason(thanks google), so if you test this and it helps you out, feel free to spread the word there.

[AbhayB]

My Dell Precision 5540 supports S3 and hibernate. But when I used the Command prompt way to change over to S3 from S0, cmd shows operation completed successfully. But no visible changes to the system made

When checking for available sleep states; 

it says S3 is disabled when S0 low power idle is supported.

[Luscious]

It's precisely issues like these that really irk me and make me hesitant to change operating systems. Say all you want about Windows 7 but THE DAMN THING JUST WORKS!!! I have it on multiple laptops still and also my main workstation that's on 24/7. Does it have the latest features and hardware support? No, but I also don't NEED them!!! And that's the point to hammer home here - somebody else telling me what they think I need. The smarter way to do it instead is to just give the user the option - let ME decide how I want to use my system! Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp??? Or are we really living in a world now where choice has absolutely been taken away from us???

 

I swear the next time somebody asks me again "Why are you still using Windows 7?" I will rearrange their face with a cricket bat point them to this thread.

[tzanke]

Fascinating video!

 

Maybe I am too old (34), but I never thought about using standby while moving my laptops inside a backpack. But, maybe I now entered the future. Let's try it out. In preparation, I disabled automatic hibernate and checked powercfg /a for the connected state. Both (AC/Battery) were enabled...

 

To enable the GUI options i used the REG ADD from this page:

 

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/108378-add-networking-connectivity-standby-power-options-windows-10-a.html

 

Is this the one mentioned in the video, Microsoft has removed? On Windows 10 it still unhides the options for me.

 

 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

56 minutes ago, Luscious said:

I swear the next time somebody asks me again "Why are you still using Windows 7?" I will rearrange their face with a cricket bat point them to this thread.

it's stupid to run a system that no longer gets security patches. that's all i'll say on the subject. 

[Neroon]

I have S3 Standby on my Razer Blade 14 (2021 - Ryzen 5900/Geforce 3700)

[AndreiArgeanu]

That seems funny to me. I've never had this issue before on my thinkpad L380. Admittedly it's a 4 year old laptop and only supports S3 sleep states. Yay for me I guess.

 

edit: I also regularly hibernate my laptop because waiting 5 seconds for my laptop to start isn't a burden.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, AngryPig said:

Unsure how related it is but my school had gave Lenovo ThinkPads to students around 2010 with Windows 7 and we had issues where if you shut the lid before it had finished sleeping or hibernating, it wouldn't complete the process. This lead to multiple laptops dying in backpacks (including my own) and eventually realising this issue, having to recommend to students to make sure the power indicator light switched off before closing the lid. And given this was a bunch of teenagers with free laptops, that advice wasn't exactly followed

I remember that issue with my Toshiba Satellite back when I had that. Seemed like it's a Windows 7 issue for the most part.