nvidia Rtx 4090 is a monster (Official Benchmarks)

[Fasterthannothing]

Summary

Well the official benchmarks are released and the card is an absolute monster 

Quotes

Quote

 Nvidia has been a driving force in the PC graphics industry almost from the company’s founding. Its first graphics accelerator wasn’t a major success, but that card was very much an outlier—far more often, its new graphics cards offer big performance gains or push forward the industry as a whole. So when we hear Nvidia say something like “Ada (Lovelace) provides the largest generational performance upgrade in the history of Nvidia,” we sit up and pay attention.

Benchmark image

 

My thoughts

Nvidia might have gotten criticized over it's launch but they didn't just come out swinging they came out with a vengeance. These cards are far and away the most insane thing I have ever seen in any launch even going back to the 1080ti and I hope AMD has literally anything to compete with then. But for now the 4090 will eat through every single game you can throw at it without blinking.

 

Videos

 https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo

 

Sources

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition

 

[Kisai]

1 minute ago, Fasterthannothing said:

My thoughts

Nvidia might have gotten criticized over it's launch but they didn't just come out swinging they came out with a vengeance. These cards are far and away the most insane thing I have ever seen in any launch even going back to the 1080ti and I hope AMD has literally anything to compete with then. But for now the 4090 will eat through every single game you can throw at it without blinking.

 

I'd like to see the 4090 be capped to the power limit of the 3090 and 2080 and see how much the performance get's nerfed. Because I suspect the 30% increase in power plays a larger part here than we are willing to admit.

[farzher]

can we get a stable diffusion benchmark please and thank you!

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, Kisai said:

I'd like to see the 4090 be capped to the power limit of the 3090 and 2080 and see how much the performance get's nerfed. Because I suspect the 30% increase in power plays a larger part here than we are willing to admit.

For sure. This very much feels like the p4 days where the architecture was optimized to be able to clock real high as long as you could dump power. Its also why p4s could oc a lot when you managed to bypass their tdp limits.

 

Whilst yes this is impressive the power consumption is beyond ridiculous. Like my slightly power optimized dual 3090s whilst rendering consume less and do more than this thing uses and seems to be able to output. I know my usecase is more niche but still this card doesnt make any sense for me and time is money for me. I would happily jump to a high performance cars if the price is right but just this power consumption alone is bonkers.

 

Like to put it in perspective I currently need 2.5 solar panels to work decently to power my render rig. Now Id need at least 3.5

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

The rendering performance of this is amazing... wow...

 

[igormp]

19 minutes ago, Kisai said:

I'd like to see the 4090 be capped to the power limit of the 3090 and 2080 and see how much the performance get's nerfed. Because I suspect the 30% increase in power plays a larger part here than we are willing to admit.

The reviews show that the 4090 uses as much power as a 3090, less than a 3090ti, so...

[Fasterthannothing]

21 minutes ago, Kisai said:

I'd like to see the 4090 be capped to the power limit of the 3090 and 2080 and see how much the performance get's nerfed. Because I suspect the 30% increase in power plays a larger part here than we are willing to admit.

It's definitely not 30% higher bro it's not even as bad a 3090 ti like how much better do you want?

[Fasterthannothing]

22 minutes ago, Kisai said:

I'd like to see the 4090 be capped to the power limit of the 3090 and 2080 and see how much the performance get's nerfed. Because I suspect the 30% increase in power plays a larger part here than we are willing to admit.

Here is is capped at a set framerate to show performance per what and it's still a monster at efficiency

[Real_PhillBert]

I'm pretty excited. It does still use a lot of power, but not as bad as many were expecting.

[GuiltySpark_]

FE4090 vs FE3090Ti, both limited to 450W @ Stock, the performance is staggering.

 

Straight up. 

 

No real way around it.

[tim0901]

8 minutes ago, Fasterthannothing said:

It's definitely not 30% higher bro it's not even as bad a 3090 ti like how much better do you want?

Which means the performance per watt improvement this generation is absolutely nuts. 59% higher performance at 4k (according to Hardware Unboxed) vs the 3090 Ti while using 10% less power is just insane.

 

Really interested as to how this manifests in mobile parts...

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, tim0901 said:

Which means the performance per watt improvement this generation is absolutely nuts. 59% higher performance at 4k (according to Hardware Unboxed) vs the 3090 Ti while using 10% less power is just insane.

Hope the 4090 Ti is 10% more  

 

I know, to the corner of shame I go lol

[leadeater]

F1 22 1440p

 

Ok so RTX 40 series actually makes RT truly widely interesting, very nice!

 

Still looks like the RT performance is holding things back based on the RT + DLSS though.

 

Edit:

F1 22 4K

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

For sure. This very much feels like the p4 days where the architecture was optimized to be able to clock real high as long as you could dump power. Its also why p4s could oc a lot when you managed to bypass their tdp limits.

Well that explains why my 631 clocked high with relative ease, just needs craptons of vpll which is annoying cause that seems to have degraded it (upto 2.4v vpll at 5.65g bios at 1.8v ish) and when testing in windows seemed to scale decently with voltage till around 4.8g but that could have been cooling limits cause these things are hot af, I wonder if the pentium d cpus clocked the same as these p4, but those would be even more of a pain to cool. Oh well they get trounced on by e6000 anyways but that was 15 years ago, does seem like were hitting the limit of silicon so i guess we will see more power dumping clock speed wars shenanigans in the future

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Well that explains why my 631 clocked high with relative ease, just needs craptons of vpll which is annoying cause that seems to have degraded it (upto 2.4v vpll at 5.65g bios at 1.8v ish) and when testing in windows seemed to scale decently with voltage till around 4.8g but that could have been cooling limits cause these things are hot af, I wonder if the pentium d cpus clocked the same as these p4, but those would be even more of a pain to cool. Oh well they get trounced on by e6000 anyways but that was 15 years ago, does seem like were hitting the limit of silicon so i guess we will see more power dumping clock speed wars shenanigans in the future

Oh yeah the powerdumping is back worse than ever.

 

Honestly this is a just because product. Not a buy it product. I can easily see that. This is a we are number one thing. Even if horribly inefficient. Like intels ks series of chips. Pushed to the limit and horribly inneficient but its fast.

 

The p4 were meant to go to 10ghz and intel was planning to up them by 1 ghz every hear or so. But that basically stopped after they noticed the 4ghz p4 was running horribly hot and the athlon 64 was running circles around their chips.

 

So I hope someone does this again before we get a worse version of powerdump wars in the 20s compared to the 00s.

[porina]

42 minutes ago, Kisai said:

I'd like to see the 4090 be capped to the power limit of the 3090 and 2080 and see how much the performance get's nerfed. Because I suspect the 30% increase in power plays a larger part here than we are willing to admit.

I saw this linked elsewhere. Not a site I'm familiar with but the suggestion there seems to be drop 100W power limit and lose 3% average fps, drop 150W lose 9% average fps. Of course it can vary from game to game.

 

https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review-test/5/

 

[shermantanker]

The performance gains across the board are insane and fingers crossed I can snag a Strix from Newegg tomorrow.

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

I saw this linked elsewhere. Not a site I'm familiar with but the suggestion there seems to be drop 100W power limit and lose 3% average fps, drop 150W lose 9% average fps. Of course it can vary from game to game.

 

https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review-test/5/

 

Yeah this is powerdumping like the p4 days again.

 

Saw the same thing on my 3090. Small undervolt and lost 1% performance but power draw dropped to 280w

 

give me that 4090 at 300w any day. Thats numbers I like to see.

[tim0901]

6 minutes ago, porina said:

I saw this linked elsewhere. Not a site I'm familiar with but the suggestion there seems to be drop 100W power limit and lose 3% average fps, drop 150W lose 9% average fps. Of course it can vary from game to game.

 

https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review-test/5/

 

Which means Nvidia is scared of what AMD is bringing to the table. 9% more performance for 33% more power? Nvidia wouldn't be taking this trade - and the poor publicity that comes with it - unless they thought they needed the extra performance to compete with AMD.

 

Well. Assuming they weren't afraid of Alchemist...

[MeedCEM]

I‘m in the market for my first PC since 2004, so I‘ll buy- but let‘s see what AMD has prepared for us first.

 

Still DP 1.4 is a little disappointing - even if I‘m just gonna rock Ultra-wide and no 8k lol 

[Tan3l6]

Costs 2K € here, and is available in 1-3 days. 

Costs a lot more than I'd pay for a GPU, but is like Erling Haaland of the GPUs.

[porina]

Just now, tim0901 said:

Which means Nvidia is scared of what AMD is bringing to the table. 9% more performance for 33% more power? Nvidia wouldn't be taking this trade - and the poor publicity that comes with it - unless they thought they needed the extra performance to compete with AMD.

Note that is the power limit, not necessarily power consumption. It may well be you are running on power limit at the lower limiting settings, but may not be on the limit at 450W setting. Cards boost up until one of several limits are reached, and power is only one of those limits. The others being a couple of voltages or temperature.

[LAwLz]

I feel kind of bad for the RTX 3070 I am about to pick up at the post office now...

But on the other hand, this card is expensive as balls and not something I would get anyway.

It's just a shame they didn't release the 4060 or whatever their ~400-500 dollar card will be called.

 

 

2 minutes ago, tim0901 said:

Which means Nvidia is scared of what AMD is bringing to the table. 9% more performance for 33% more power? Nvidia wouldn't be taking this trade - and the poor publicity that comes with it - unless they thought they needed the extra performance to compete with AMD.

 

Well. Assuming they weren't afraid of Alchemist...

The top of the line components have never been in their peak efficiency range. 

I don't think it's because they are scared. It's because they can. As long as the power consumption isn't unreasonable (which it isn't, it's lower than previous gen), why not let the card stretch its legs as much as possible?

[Dracarris]

54 minutes ago, Kisai said:

I'd like to see the 4090 be capped to the power limit of the 3090 and 2080 and see how much the performance get's nerfed. Because I suspect the 30% increase in power plays a larger part here than we are willing to admit.

Don't know what else you want:

[Mister Woof]

They really drove the point home of 4090 being the "better deal"

 

Here's to hoping the 4080 12/16gb cards pricing is just kind of bullshit right now to clear inventory of 3k series cards and to push the 4090