Opinion: The real reason the RTX 3080 is out of stock

[iloveckm]

I think the shortages that are plaguing the new RTX 3000 series cards, the RTX 3090, 3080, 3070, have been manufactured to shift old stock. 

 

That’s right. 

 

I believe that Nvidia has deliberately, and understandably from a business point of view, held back stock of its new cards in an effort to sell off as much of its 2000 series RTX cards as possible. They knew that their 2000 series was not selling as well so they did this and ended up selling most of their lineup. 

 

What are your thoughts?

[Spotty]

You see shelves stacked with 20 series cards they can't sell? Yeah, thought not.

[ki8aras]

1 minute ago, iloveckm said:

I think the shortages that are plaguing the new RTX 3000 series cards, the RTX 3090, 3080, 3070, have been manufactured to shift old stock. 

 

That’s right. 

 

I believe that Nvidia has deliberately, and understandably from a business point of view, held back stock of its new cards in an effort to sell off as much of its 2000 series RTX cards as possible. They knew that their 2000 series was not selling as well so they did this and ended up selling most of their lineup. 

 

What are your thoughts?

you do know that every nvidia gpu apart from the 1030 is out of stock everywhere right?

[RejZoR]

Except pricing doesn't add up to your theory. All the RTX 2080Ti that are still in stock are offered at ridiculous prices. We're talking 1200€ and beyond. Who's gonna buy an inferior card for more than RTX 3080 are going for?! I bought my RTX 3080 for 980€ in a retail shop. Not the cheapest, but I got it and it was one of the cheapest you could even get. A bit more than I bought my GTX 1080Ti back when things were normal, several years ago. Given it's basically 2x in performance to my old card, it's still worth it. RTX 2080Ti? Not so much. It's what, 15-20% faster and has ray tracing. And that's it.

[DrMacintosh]

Nice conspiracy. The reality is that there is no stock of any GPU. If Nvidia wanted to move old stock, they would just let retailers keep selling the old stock....

[Nena Trinity]

Miners

 

AMD side of things AMD supplied 3x their normal amount...

[mr cheese]

Had a fun moment the other day, checked the local classifieds selling app OfferUp

There were deals in there for the RX 570 8GB for $100-150

Now they go for $300

And that's for two reasons: because the 8GB RX 570 can mine at around $90 a month, and because they're basically starved for supply and being bought up by miners for that ROI

 

This move would have been entirely counterintuitive from the start, I mean shit they just re-started production of the fucking 1050ti, a card worth basically nothing, just to de-bloat the used market and extreme card drought. The card sitting in my computer as a DVI adapter is worth $150-200 because nobody can buy literally anything.

 

You don't just revive a dead card just for fun, just to make pocket change, that shit isn't profitable under any other circumstance than a complete lack of any availble stock for anything on the market. I mean they discontinued 20 series back in July ffs, and they all sold out pretty much by November if not sooner

 

Even the used market is being gouged because cards as old as the RX 290X are suddenly valuable again because the entire gaming market has regressed several generations to re-circulate older cards from previous generations in the used market because that's all people want to sell anymore, their old shit for newer shit like Ampere

[PriitM]

4 minutes ago, iloveckm said:

I think the shortages that are plaguing the new RTX 3000 series cards, the RTX 3090, 3080, 3070, have been manufactured to shift old stock. 

 

That’s right. 

 

I believe that Nvidia has deliberately, and understandably from a business point of view, held back stock of its new cards in an effort to sell off as much of its 2000 series RTX cards as possible. They knew that their 2000 series was not selling as well so they did this and ended up selling most of their lineup. 

 

What are your thoughts?

What if Nvidia is selling to miners, because second wave miners will put down first wave money regardless. And Nvidia can then make an innocent face: we cant RMA your card, because you used it to mine and therefore not as its intended use. 

 

One thing that I find fishy is: AIBs selling directly to individuals and retailers being out of stock in seconds. This means its more profitable not to deal with lots of individual customers. No RMA cases, no individual tracing etc.

 

Also, it would be impossible for bots to do thousands of pings on a retailer site without it crashing. So something is fishy about the whole getting cards with bots without tripping DDOS protection... 

[ki8aras]

52 minutes ago, PriitM said:

What if Nvidia is selling to miners, because second wave miners will put down first wave money regardless. And Nvidia can then make an innocent face: we cant RMA your card, because you used it to mine and therefore not as its intended use. 

 

One thing that I find fishy is: AIBs selling directly to individuals and retailers being out of stock in seconds. This means its more profitable not to deal with lots of individual customers. No RMA cases, no individual tracing etc.

 

Also, it would be impossible for bots to do thousands of pings on a retailer site without it crashing. So something is fishy about the whole getting cards with bots without tripping DDOS protection... 

AIBs like zotac have acknowledged on twitter that they are indeed selling directly to miners, even going as far as posting pictures of their customer's mining rigs

[minibois]

That would've been one epic prank from Nvidia's side, as there are currently no video cards to buy. Unless you're claiming the 3000 series shortages are deliberate to make sure the last GT 1030 cards sell.

 

If that were the case, Nvidia would have released a bunch more cards at this point.

[MeMyself]

Just a fun picture of the current stocks from where I'm from...
I guess we can't say cards are totally out of stock

[Mark Kaine]

6 hours ago, MeMyself said:

Just a fun picture of the current stocks from where I'm from...
I guess we can't say cards are totally out of stock

and that's why I bought my card in December for around 750... I knew it'd only go up from there... 

 

8 hours ago, Spotty said:

You see shelves stacked with 20 series cards they can't sell? Yeah, thought not.

6 hours ago, minibois said:

That would've been one epic prank from Nvidia's side, as there are currently no video cards to buy.

doesn't that just proof that what the OP is claiming is working? (playing devil's advocate) 

there certainly were stacked here before 30xx cards hit, even - I would think *for the very first time* at MSRP a week before release of 30xx, before that it always was scalper pricing even from big retailers... I remember because I was really tempted to buy one, 2080 super or something, but then I figured that would be dumb with 30xx releasing so soon. 

 

 

7 hours ago, ki8aras said:

AIBs like zotac have acknowledged on twitter that they are indeed selling directly to miners, even going as far as posting pictures of their customer's mining rigs

hmm, interesting... yeah it wouldn't surprise me at all if the current shortages were actually due to mining 

 

 

8 hours ago, PriitM said:

So something is fishy about the whole getting cards with bots without tripping DDOS protection... 

yep, agreed, definitely fishy, and I don't really believe it at all, these shops all have ddos protection so something else must be going on... 

 

Edit: while you can easily dismiss this as "tough internet guy who knows everything better" I believe that *this* is the real issue, Nvidia / AMD selling bulk to miners, hundreds of thousands... (note how AMD cards are basically non existent btw, even though AMD 'promised' there would be enough stock for the average customer...) 

 

 

(from https://videocardz.com/newz/zotac-publically-endorsing-gpu-mining-farm-tags-it-pcgaming)

 

 

And another edit: isn't that also 'interesting' ? 

 

"not available" 

 

so you're telling me nvidia has *no* gpus for sale - in the whole of Europe, alledgely - but 'mining is booming'?? 

 

Something just doesn't add up... lol. 

 

[Ryanaviator]

Where can I get a 3080 or even 3070 right now

[Mark Kaine]

14 minutes ago, Ryanaviator said:

Where can I get a 3080 or even 3070 right now

https://m.de.aliexpress.com/wholesale/rtx-3080.html

 

You're welcome! 

 

Spoiler

personally this is my absolute favorite, it was only 900 in December, I really regret not getting it... 

 

 

... it has a led screen even! T-T

 

[airborne spoon]

9 hours ago, PriitM said:

What if Nvidia is selling to miners, because second wave miners will put down first wave money regardless. And Nvidia can then make an innocent face: we cant RMA your card, because you used it to mine and therefore not as its intended use....

The manufacture doesn't know what you used the card for unless you tell them and people aren't stupid enough to say shit like that. Only way they would know is if you flashed the BOIS and didn't flash it back before the RMA, and even then if the card wont boot you can just say it crashed and wont boot up and you're prob gonna be good.

Source: I've RMA about 4 cards that i used for mining without issue.