LTT 6000 series unboxing

[terminalinfinity]

I love Anthony, he's really improved the channel but this might be my first criticism:

"Its only $80 less than the 6800xt what is AMD smoking right now?"

 

What AMD is smoking is the idea that Nvidia is holding out slots in their lineup between the cards they've released to see what AMD has and position their cards against it, so AMD is is betting on that and launching a pre-emptively launching a card against a hypothetical 3070ti.

 

Which, if the recent rumor mill that was right about the 3080ti is to believed, was a good move.

 

Just like it was a good move to force Nvidia's hand with a 3080ti.  Thereby shattering their attempt to regain "good guy" points with this release (as if it needed anymore pounding into the ground with how the launch was handled)

 

Whatever Nvidia releases the 3070ti at, AMD can respond if needed w/ price cut to 3070 level

 

Literal 4D chess unfolding.

[Fasauceome]

6 minutes ago, terminalinfinity said:

"Its only $80 less than the 6800xt what is AMD smoking right now?"

 

That and it's $80 more than the 3070, which AMD is saying it's superior to. I think the 6800 price is pretty reasonable. However:

8 minutes ago, terminalinfinity said:

AMD is is betting on that and launching a pre-emptively launching a card against a hypothetical 3070ti.

Steve from GN said he's gotten word that the "ti" SKUs of the lineup have been cancelled, so don't expect those 20GB cards to come to the market any time soon.

[terminalinfinity]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

That and it's $80 more than the 3070, which AMD is saying it's superior to. I think the 6800 price is pretty reasonable. However:

Steve from GN said he's gotten word that the "ti" SKUs of the lineup have been cancelled, so don't expect those 20GB cards to come to the market any time soon.

My source is Moore's law is dead who has been dead on so far with 99% of what he's said

Also this was just posted 5 days ago, whereas GN was in October?  I think

https://www.techpowerup.com/274505/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-landing-in-january-at-usd-999

So conflicting info at best.
Moore's law video from 5 days ago

[emosun]

80$ is still a lot to a lot of people. makes a difference

[emosun]

1 minute ago, terminalinfinity said:

My source is Moore's law is dead

with silicon i'd say so , after that whos knows

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, emosun said:

80$ is still a lot to a lot of people. makes a difference

$80 buys a fun evening from the dealer on the corner!

[Mateyyy]

15 minutes ago, terminalinfinity said:

My source is Moore's law is dead who has been dead on so far with 99% of what he's said

[terminalinfinity]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

So its okay to source Steve from GN but not another youtube channel that has interviewed people from AMD, Nvidia and other major vendors publicly?

Not sure I understand

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, terminalinfinity said:

So its okay to source Steve from GN but not another youtube channel that has interviewed people from AMD, Nvidia and other major vendors publicly?

Not sure I understand

One of them provides detailed, real, legitimate information, whereas the other talks about what he dreamt last night.

 

On that note, the "has been dead on so far with 99% of what he's said" is, erm... well, how should I put it.

 

[terminalinfinity]

6 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

One of them provides detailed, real, legitimate information, whereas the other talks about what he dreamt last night.

 

On that note, the "has been dead on so far with 99% of what he's said" is, erm... well, how should I put it.

 

A lot of this can be simply attributed to being early in the leak game.  That's the problem with trying to find out things this way and separate BSers from people with actual inside knowledge.

 

AMD, Nvidia and Intel intentionally leak false info through their own employees and even AIB partners to throw each other off.  Like I fully believe the 20% over a 2080ti was a figure AMD was intentionally floating out there for the 6900 to make Nvidia think they had this in the bag.  100%, especially after the "jebaited" tweets

To be fair though, this is a little eye opening and makes me wonder.  Thanks for the link.

 

However, I did post a second source validating the 3080ti was coming (tech power up) and the article is newer than Steve's "20GB tis are not coming" video

 

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

@2:27 "that looks and feels very nice, it's solid but has curves to it", that's what she said anthony lol

also come on people, stop citing rumour channels as your sources
 

  

On 9/8/2020 at 4:53 PM, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

He's as legit as AdoredTV which means no lol 

 

[GDRRiley]

1 hour ago, Fasauceome said:

That and it's $80 more than the 3070, which AMD is saying it's superior to. I think the 6800 price is pretty reasonable. However:

Steve from GN said he's gotten word that the "ti" SKUs of the lineup have been cancelled, so don't expect those 20GB cards to come to the market any time soon.

thats if any 3070s are at MSRP which last time I looked none were

 

the best bang for your buck and value stuff was so dumb. it mostly seem to be him mentioning NVIDIA features like RTX voice and better encoders. I know the encoders changed for 6000 GPUs.

[Fasauceome]

12 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

I know the encoders changed for 6000 GPUs.

Tbh that's what I'm most curious for. I really want to see if Nvidia can still claim any feature set advantage over AMD because right now the only things are NVENC (because it's a lot better), RTX voice, and tensor cores (the latter two being very closely related)

 

AMD has a match for DLSS, RTX, variable refresh rate, multi GPU, it's really hard for Nvidia to claim a robust suite advantage over AMD. On top of that, these new cards are Navi based and reviewers have had them for over a week, so driver stability is significantly further improved over 5000 series.

[Parideboy]

I want reviews and stock

[Helpful Tech Witch]

4 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

Steve from GN said he's gotten word that the "ti" SKUs of the lineup have been cancelled, so don't expect those 20GB cards to come to the market any time soon.

the 20gb sku had been canceled, but it looks like a new ti has been releaked, unless it has been cancled again?

2 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

RTX voice

Wasnt there a theory that this could be ported to the pre rdna (1) amd gpus?

4 hours ago, terminalinfinity said:

Its only $80 less than the 6800xt what is AMD smoking right now?"

if their pref is accurate (from the slides) it costs like 20% more for ~20% faster (than the 3070)

[Fasauceome]

13 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Wasnt there a theory that this could be ported to the pre rdna (1) amd gpus?

I would imagine it's actually quite easy to accomplish, if the are using the tensor cores then it's just matrix operations (which makes sense since filtering matrices are extremely common and straightforward) and if the ray accelerators in RDNA do the same thing as tensor cores then it's absolutely within scope. As for pre RDNA hardware for de-noising, there's more than one way to skin a cat so I don't think it would be difficult to implement. Don't the GTX cards also have the ability to use RTX voice, with some even modding drivers for 900 series cards?

13 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

if their pref is accurate (from the slides) it costs like 20% more for ~20% faster (than the 3070)

to say nothing of total system cost. 20% more for the card but 5% more for the entire PC, if you're building from scratch.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

Don't the GTX cards also have the ability to use RTX voice, with some even modding drivers for 900 series cards?

yep 
(first resault when googled)

 

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

to say nothing of total system cost. 20% more for the card but 5% more for the entire PC, if you're building from scratch.

THats true. But its not like its a = gpu for 20% more, which is soewhat a good thing.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

yep 

I can't believe it didn't occur to me unit just now but DLSS is likely a very sophisticated averaging filter algorithm as well. RTX and DLSS and RTX voice are all matrix operations, tensor cores are phenomenal at matrix algebra

 

still not sure why they grabbed some of the tensor cores on the GPU and designated them as "RT CORES" though, and won't allow regular tensor cores to do the RTX stuff. It would make the Titan V quite the competent RTX card, the thing has loads of tensor cores.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

I can't believe it didn't occur to me unit just now but DLSS is likely a very sophisticated averaging filter algorithm as well. RTX and DLSS and RTX voice are all matrix operations, tensor cores are phenomenal at matrix algebra

 

still not sure why they grabbed some of the tensor cores on the GPU and designated them as "RT CORES" though, and won't allow regular tensor cores to do the RTX stuff. It would make the Titan V quite the competent RTX card, the thing has loads of tensor cores.

yeah, it could be better than the 3090

 

 

I think part of it is that rt cores are slightly diffrent, and are somewhat purpose built. But that doesnt mean that the tensors couldn be used for rt acceleration on the gtx cards that just use software to do rtx.

[RejZoR]

4 hours ago, emosun said:

80$ is still a lot to a lot of people. makes a difference

When you're spending $600 on a graphic card, does $80 really make that much of a difference, really? I think not when you're getting a much better card in the end. You're already spending massive amount of money on it.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

I think part of it is that rt cores are slightly diffrent

when the 20 series came out I was trying to find out what made the RT cores and tensor cores different but I couldn't find out what they didn't have in common. If they had a key difference in their design I'd love to know what it was.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

when the 20 series came out I was trying to find out what made the RT cores and tensor cores different but I couldn't find out what they didn't have in common. If they had a key difference in their design I'd love to know what it was.

all I can find is that they are much more sophisticated tensor cores, not much else. and I dont have the time to go through architecture day events for 20xx 30xx (which hasnt happened yet) and 10xx cards right now. (or ever tbh)

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

When you're spending $600 on a graphic card, does $80 really make that much of a difference, really?

I equate it to gasoline a lot , so it's more like 3000lbs moved 800 miles across the surface of the earth.

 

Now if I can pay you 80$ to push my car 800 miles by yourself .... then I'll stop using gas as a comparison. lol

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, emosun said:

Now if I can pay you 80$ to push my car 800 miles by yourself .... then I'll stop using gas as a comparison. lol

i would do it if its 800 miles down hill lol.

[RejZoR]

4 minutes ago, emosun said:

I equate it to gasoline a lot , so it's more like 3000lbs moved 800 miles across the surface of the earth.

 

Now if I can pay you 80$ to push my car 800 miles by yourself .... then I'll stop using gas as a comparison. lol

I wouldn't know, I don't operate in pounds and miles so it may just as well be a meter and a half...