AMD’s second-generation Ryzen processors are now available for preorder

[Misanthrope]

5 minutes ago, xriqn said:

They've released quite enough information in my opinion. No need for them to start handing out benchmarks before release. Do you see that with a new prebuilt device? Very rarely, so why do it to an individual part?

Why is it "enough" information for you? Has AMD released 1 to 1 testing done by an independent third party?

 

Because otherwise they could be flat out fucking lying about performance by cherry picking a fringe result on a really good bin that is not representative of the final product.

 

Also you kinda answer yourself: we rarely see part lists of pre-build systems before release because we know those numbers from the individual parts beforehand. Wouldn't be the first time AMD (or Intel or Nvidia) do this.

 

What you're saying here is that you're OK with AMD moving more and more towards Apple tactics and eventually not releasing important performance information because it "just works" so just fucking buy it, much like Apple justifies their system.

 

If it works for them that's fine but I believe it is more than fair for us to push back against these nonsense.

[XenosTech]

5 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Why do you want an "element of surprise" with the launch of a computer processor?

 

I mean these are expected to operate extremely reliably and securely for years, this is not the kind of product that should be a "SURPRISE!" release but rather a very well prepared and thought out deployment.

 

The only reason you'd want a "surprise" it's if you have no confidence in the product's value in and of itself. I understand this is consumer oriented but it's still not something that should be so closely guarded since there's basically less chances for the consumer to make informed decisions about their choice of platform i.e. The message today was:

 

"Oh look the shiny new CPUs! No numbers, no graphs, look at the pretty boxes, btw you can pre-rder now!"

 

 

Pretty sure you don't want the suprise butt sex that was Ryzen's original launch 

[Misanthrope]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

Pretty sure you don't want the suprise butt sex that was Ryzen's original launch 

Well put (Pun 100% intended)

[Guest The Viking]

20 minutes ago, xriqn said:

Optane was always dead anyway. Everyone who kept up to date in the tech world knew it'd only be a matter of time before AMD came out with something on par or perhaps better. Shame there's no 2800X.

there's an AMD paying solution too, FuzeDrive, which is a software solution, instead of a hardware one like intel.

 

http://www.enmotus.com/amd

 

 

Shame no big tech press or reviewer had a look at it, just shows where the money is:

 

Intel "Let's pay ALL reviewers to check out and say good stuff of our shitoptane!" 

AMD "hey guys... we have this thing called FuzeDrive now..." 

 

next day, all tech youtubers & press have covered optane saying it's amazing and perfect. 

 

And yes, there's intel fanboys defending optane really hard.

[xriqn]

2 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Why is it "enough" information for you? Has AMD released 1 to 1 testing done by an independent third party?

 

Because otherwise they could be flat out fucking lying about performance by cherry picking a fringe result on a really good bin that is not representative of the final product.

 

Also you kinda answer yourself: we rarely see part lists of pre-build systems before release because we know those numbers from the individual parts beforehand. Wouldn't be the first time AMD (or Intel or Nvidia) do this.

 

What you're saying here is that you're OK with AMD moving more and more towards Apple tactics and eventually not releasing important performance information because it "just works" so just fucking buy it, much like Apple justifies their system.

 

If it works for them that's fine but I believe it is more than fair for us to push back against these nonsense.

Apple's tactics have worked for years anyway. 

[xriqn]

2 minutes ago, The Viking said:

there's an AMD paying solution too, FuzeDrive, which is a software solution, instead of a hardware one like intel.

 

http://www.enmotus.com/amd

 

 

Shame no big tech press or reviewer had a look at it, just shows where the money is:

 

Intel "Let's pay ALL reviewers to check out and say good stuff of our shitoptane!" 

AMD "hey guys... we have this thing called FuzeDrive now..." 

 

next day, all tech youtubers & press have covered optane saying it's amazing and perfect. 

 

And yes, there's intel fanboys defending optane really hard.

That's great, but AMD now have a hardware based solution which is MUCH better imo.

[Misanthrope]

2 minutes ago, xriqn said:

Apple's tactics have worked for years anyway. 

I am not saying this isn't effective marketing. I am saying this is against our own best interest as consumers (Hint: effective marketing almost always is completely antithetical to consumers' best interest)

[Guest The Viking]

2 minutes ago, xriqn said:

That's great, but AMD now have a hardware based solution which is MUCH better imo.

Oh wait... actually, on fuzedrive page they say this:

 

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It requires 2 drives (an SSD/HDD or SSD/SSD combo).  Installation is simple and only takes about 5 minutes.   One of the drives should be  a new drive without any data 

pretty much the built in option on x470..

 

mm... i wonder if i can have a 10TB SSD as advertised... 

[MyName13]

25 minutes ago, xriqn said:

Intel was NEVER for the budget builders or people who wanted bang for buck anyway. AMD was performance and bang for buck for those who can't afford stupid prices.

Dude what?i5 8400 is cheaper and performs better (or at least the same).You don't even need to overclock it.

[xriqn]

2 minutes ago, The Viking said:

Oh wait... actually, on fuzedrive page they say this:

 

pretty much the built in option on x470..

 

mm... i wonder if i can have a 10TB SSD as advertised... 

Now that does sound fun.

[xriqn]

1 minute ago, MyName13 said:

Dude what?i5 8400 is cheaper and performs better (or at least the same).You don't even need to overclock it.

We'll see when the benchmarks are out, won't we? I never specified which CPU in the Ryzen series was better than intel, your argument is invalid.

[ZcanKal]

1 minute ago, MyName13 said:

Dude what?i5 8400 is cheaper and performs better (or at least the same).You don't even need to overclock it.

Stop defending Intel here, this is AMD's time.

[Djole123]

29 minutes ago, xriqn said:

 

The topic I have linked is now useless. It's just a last band attempt by Intel to keep Optane going, especially now the world knows about StoreMI.

To be fair, the i5+ and i7+ are really there to help OEMs integrate Optane faster.

 

But yeah, Optane is on the verge of being another come and go feature of the Intel platform that only appeals to a niche group of people.

[xriqn]

9 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

To be fair, the i5+ and i7+ are really there to help OEMs integrate Optane faster.

 

But yeah, Optane is on the verge of being another come and go feature of the Intel platform that only appeals to a niche group of people.

Optane will be dead and StoreMI will be alive!

[Trixanity]

43 minutes ago, The Viking said:

Just why don't we get  2800X??? 

Probably because 1700X and 1800X were so close that you'd only buy the latter if you absolutely needed the fastest out of the box and supposedly better binning. A 2700X could fill both spots easily although they're probably sacrificing a little profit for that.

 

However, Anandtech has said they know why but they're under embargo.

 

There is a chance it may come later but I think any binned chips will be reserved for TR instead of a halo SKU. The profits are better there anyway.

[Blademaster91]

15 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

What you're saying here is that you're OK with AMD moving more and more towards Apple tactics and eventually not releasing important performance information because it "just works" so just fucking buy it, much like Apple justifies their system.

If it works for them that's fine but I believe it is more than fair for us to push back against these nonsense.

Every company does that to some extent, but since it's AMD no one seems to have a problem with potential misinformation. I also wish Steve would have just reviewed it, everyone knows its an incremental upgrade.

5 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

To be fair, the i5+ and i7+ are really there to help OEMs integrate Optane faster.

 

But yeah, Optane is on the verge of being another come and go feature of the Intel platform that only appeals to a niche group of people.

I think Optane would have taken off better if the capacities were larger, and it kinda is just a stopgap thing until we see Optane that fits into RAM slots. Though Optane is easier to add to a system than storeMI would be, adding another SSD+HDD? Seems like another way of doing an SSHD which isn't new and you have to upgrade to X470 but inb4 i'm accused of being a Optane defending fanboy.

[Silentprototipe]

Oh look yet another thing I can't afford  

[Guest The Viking]

7 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Probably because 1700X and 1800X were so close that you'd only buy the latter if you absolutely needed the fastest out of the box and supposedly better binning. A 2700X could fill both spots easily although they're probably sacrificing a little profit for that.

 

However, Anandtech has said they know why but they're under embargo.

 

There is a chance it may come later but I think any binned chips will be reserved for TR instead of a halo SKU. The profits are better there anyway.

mmm, thanks, will keep an eye on that info.

 

I guess this doesn't count? 

[Razor01]

Just now, xriqn said:

When the 8086 thread gets more views because intel fanboys want to remember ancient crap than something major like Ryzen 2... D:

 

On a serious note, I want to see what the 2xxx lineup will stackup like against the current 8th gen of intel cpus.

 

 

Hey I still have my 8088 still working order lol.  All original IBM pc.

[xriqn]

4 minutes ago, Razor01 said:

 

 

Hey I still have my 8088 still working order lol.  All original IBM pc.

Nice, you looked after it or is it looking a bit beat up?

[Razor01]

looked after it, still play some text based games on it every now and then, like wizardry 1 to 3

[AresKrieger]

Who is stupid enough to preorder hardeware as a consumer? That is only a good idea if you can't get a review sample  and intend on reviewing it otherwise you're putting money upfront for a product that could be a mess.

 

Any way in regards to Ryzen specifically this is just a power refinement and clockspeed boost, I fail to see why people are excited by this while being annoyed with things like Kabylake.

[NumLock21]

It seems some in this thread still thinks Intel Optane is for cache.

[AresKrieger]

6 minutes ago, xriqn said:

Who wouldn't be excited about new hardware? As for your thing about everyone being angry at Kaby Lake, you look like you're defending Intel way too much so here's what I say to that  :

I am not defending intel, I personally found Kabylake to be fairly worthless I just hate hype culture around products it is my main reason for disliking AMD's marketing, but if you want to lock this thread by calling people randomly fanboys go right ahead

[DanielMDA]

19 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

To be perfectly honest, I'm currently expecting Ryzen to continue the same way the FX series did: starting out strong, and then just making slight improvements to the architecture but not actually being better than Intel.

 

Hopefully it doesn't go that way. Ryzen is essentially what the FX series was supposed to be. The competition would be a lot fiercer and more interesting if AMD had succeeded with the FX series the way Ryzen is.

A Zen core is very similar to a Bulldozer Core in ALU Count. Both a Zen and Bulldozer core have 6 ALUs per core, difference is each Zen Core has an FPU. What could meke Zen 2 great (Ryzen 3000 series) would be if AMD put 8 ALUs per core and 2 FPUs per core, this would bump up IPC quite significantly, and a huge improvement while just adding over the Microarchitecture, it could be a Nehalem to Sandy Bridge level jump. But what could really make Ryzen 3000 Series great would be Global Foundries´ 7nm Process and the use of their High Performance Node (Rumor is it hasnt been used because its expensive). Currently Ryzen is based of a low power Node, thats why its so efficient but has problems reaching high clockspeeds, and thats the why that Ryzen´s most efficient clockspeed is 2.2GHz. If AMD uses that High Performance Node, the 7nm Process and if they decide to add ALUs to make it a "new Architecture" they could overthrow Intel. I know this is just speculation, but the Node and Process part is very real.

 

18 hours ago, MyName13 said:

"...Ryzen 5 2600, which costs $199 is clocked at 3.4GHz ..." wow....I thought it would have at least 3.8 GHz base clock.  just a price decrease...

2600X is better value, has XFR 2, higer clockspeeds and a better cooler, mainly because the 2600´s cooler got downgraded from the Spire to the Stealth.