Intel's Coffee Lake Is Coming August 21st

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

The problem is that Intel has essentially killed a product line that's less than a year old.  If AMD did the same thing, I'd be just as upset with them.

I know, ain't it grand?  This is a great year for tech enthusiasts!

 

Those products are not going to just stop working or performing just becasue Intel are not making new products for them.

 

This seems to be an ongoing trope,  even If Intel released a chip tomorrow that outperforms the best current CPU and was half the price, that is not going to stop the current chip from working.  It is not "killed" "dead" or anything else.  

 

And before anyone says "you can't upgrade your CPU without buying a new motherboard".  So what?  there were only two people who were likely going to do that from the onset, everyone else was going to use their systems for the next 4 years then upgrade everything anyway.    Or you could swap to AMD and oh wait, you're going to have to buy a new motherboard to do that too. 

[WMGroomAK]

I'm honestly a bit surprised that Intel didn't flip the '8' on it's side in the laptop graphic to make it an infinity sign...

[ARikozuM]

Just now, WMGroomAK said:

I'm honestly a bit surprised that Intel didn't flip the '8' on it's side in the laptop graphic to make it an infinity sign...

i7-00700K? Great! Pierce Brosnan is going to get it on with the GPU...

[GrayTech]

I don't know that to think about Coffee Lake. At first the thing with the chipset. This is just confusing for the customers, I hope that they'll make it clear that you can't use them in older 1151 boards. Anyways the most important thing is performance. I could imagine that intel's new 6c i5s could be a threat to ryzen. 200+€ CPUs could be a choice between faster single core performance or SMT. But of course that is just one possibility and I don't want to guess the performance before we know how the new blue CPUs will perform. Of course all these rumors could be false. But keep in mind that even though there were leaks about 6 core i5s this doesn't mean that every i5 will feature 6 cores like in amds R5 lineup. This could end in a confusing naming scheme but come on, it's intel. They did so many controversal stuff in the last time.

 

But one thing I really hope is that R5s are still relevant after the release of Coffee Lake. To be honest I would really like to see amd being the go to CPU manufacturer for one generation because then maybe more people realize that intel CPUs aren't the only thing you can buy. I'm not an amd fanboy and I'm not an intel fanboy either, I just want everyone to pick their CPUs because of CPU, not because of the brand and I want competition between those two companies.

 

I think it's funny that amd CPUs are space heaters in the mind of so many people while ryzen runs cool and intel tells people not to overclock their overclockable kaby lake CPUs because of the temperature.  

 

Anyways. I'm a bit excited to see intels 8th generation, even though I don't want to buy a new CPU. And I hope that I won't regret buying an R5 1600. But on the other hand I'm already mentally prepaired for another controversal launch.

[Jito463]

21 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Those products are not going to just stop working or performing just becasue Intel are not making new products for them.

I didn't say "killed a product", I said "killed a product line", which is true.  After CL launches, there will literally be no rational reason for anyone to buy a 100/200 series motherboard or a SL/KL processor, unless they're buying it used/cheap or they're upgrading an existing system without replacing MoBo and CPU together.

 

If Intel had skipped KL on the desktop, then this issue would be moot.  The 100 series has had a decent run, and the 300 series would be a worthy replacement.  The addition of the 200 series and KL on the desktop just created a near useless product that has no upgrade path.

[Jito463]

22 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

AMD did as well by not making a new architecture in all these years.

How does not releasing a new product equate to releasing a new product then terminating it less than a year later?  I don't understand what you're trying to convey here.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, Jito463 said:

I didn't say "killed a product", I said "killed a product line", which is true.  After CL launches, there will literally be no rational reason for anyone to buy a 100/200 series motherboard or a SL/KL processor, unless they're buying it used/cheap or they're upgrading an existing system without replacing MoBo and CPU together.

 

If Intel had skipped KL on the desktop, then this issue would be moot.  The 100 series has had a decent run, and the 300 series would be a worthy replacement.  The addition of the 200 series and KL on the desktop just created a near useless product that has no upgrade path after CL.

That happens to every product line.  Who would buy a 1150 socket or an AM3.  of course no one is going to buy it.  It's outdated.   It's not killed, just obsolete or outdated.  That is not a dirty concept. 

 

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, Jito463 said:

How does not releasing a new product equate to releasing a new product then terminating it less than a year later?  I don't understand what you're trying to convey here.

They did created this situation or are partly responsible. Also, I doubt KBL will lose tremendously to CFL except in scant scenarios. KBL should last as long as IB/SB did. 

24 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I doubt that CFL will overtake KBL/SKL by a huge margin. It also isn't likely that SKL/KBL will drop their performance in a few months or years just because hexa-cores are more common. 

 

[Jito463]

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That happens to every product line.  Who would buy a 1150 socket or an AM3.  of course no one is going to buy it.  It's outdated.   It's not killed, just obsolete or outdated.  That is not a dirty concept.

No, it's not a "dirty concept", but it does seem a cheap trick from Intel to release a product that they'll stop supporting after less than a year (and before you misconstrue anything else, I mean 'supporting' as new new processors/features).  I don't understand what your issue is, as I've clearly explained my point is related to the short lifespan of the 200 series/KL, not to its being replaced.

[mr moose]

Just now, Jito463 said:

No, it's not a "dirty concept", but it does seem a cheap trick from Intel to release a product that they'll stop supporting after less than a year (and before you misconstrue anything else, I mean 'supporting' as new new processors/features).  I don't understand what your issue is, as I've clearly explained my point is related to the short lifespan of the 200 series/KL, not to it's being replaced.

 

It doesn't matter if the product is viable for 6 months or 6 years.    How does  only being current for one year make it a cheap trick?  No one is being forced to buy older 1151 motherboards and 7th Gen CPU's when there is a new version just around the corner.

[Jito463]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

It doesn't matter if the product is viable for 6 months or 6 years.    How does  only being current for one year make it a cheap trick?  No one is being forced to buy older 1151 motherboards and 7th Gen CPU's when there is a new version just around the corner.

*sigh*

We'll have to agree to disagree here.  All I can say is, if AMD were to release Zen v2 next month - and it required a completely new motherboard and CPU to upgrade what I have - I would not be pleased, either.  This is not about hating on Intel, it's about disliking a specific practice that, at least to me, feels like nothing more than a money grab.

[mr moose]

3 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

*sigh*

We'll have to agree to disagree here.  All I can say is, if AMD were to release Zen v2 next month - and it required a completely new motherboard and CPU to upgrade what I have - I would not be pleased, either.  This is not about hating on Intel, it's about disliking a specific practice that, at least to me, feels like nothing more than a money grab.

But the practice has no ill effects on consumers.  releasing a new socket/cpu/board does not make the last one stop working or perform less.  

 

 

[Jito463]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

But the practice has no ill effects on consumers.  releasing a new socket/cpu/board does not make the last one stop working or perform less.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.  As I said, agree to disagree.  We just have different viewpoints on this matter.

[Mooshi]

5 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

Huh? "after skylake" hasn't happened yet. We have just had 2 skylake refreshes.

Kaby says hello. Maybe I should be more specific--chips on the Intel side after the 6700k just aren't that great.

[tom_w141]

7 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Kaby says hello

You mean skylake refresh?

 

Maybe I should have been more specific that I was joking about post skylake chips all being the same  

[Kaita]

Welp, I guess I'll just hold off on my planned CPU upgrade.

[ApolloFury]

13 hours ago, GrayTech said:

I think it's funny that amd CPUs are space heaters in the mind of so many people while ryzen runs cool and intel tells people not to overclock their overclockable kaby lake CPUs because of the temperature.  

I seen something more stupid in FaceBook comments on PC-related group pages like "Intel is a Ferrari, AMD is a cheap Chinese knock-off of Ferrari that cost 10% of the original price, it's not going to be faster than the real thing". Uh hello?

[Jbonn386]

I would want coffee lake just to say my computer runs on Coffee like me ;D

[ScratchCat]

22 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

They did created this situation or are partly responsible. Also, I doubt KBL will lose tremendously to CFL except in scant scenarios. KBL should last as long as IB/SB did. 

 

Is, not did. Intel's 32nm process was amazing, most chips could reach 4.8GHz, 5+ GHz on golden samples. Given that most games are GPU limited those CPUs still are comparable with modern skylake chips although they are no  longer on the cutting edge platform wise. 

[Crossbred]

On 8/8/2017 at 0:01 PM, RollinLower said:

i would be really interested how those 6 cores compare to my current LGA 2011 6 core. would it finally be worth the switch, or am i good for another long while?

I'm trying to sell my x99 system fast

[NumLock21]

I need info for mobile covfefe lake! There was a leak slide a few months ago, showing 6 cores on mobile...

[juri-han]

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-core-i7-8550u-leak/

 

looks like the u series is going 4/8 ultra books with quad core would be nice 

[Armakar]

Byebye Ryzen. Intel are scumbags, but let's be real, Intel are far, far ahead in silicon quality, clockspeeds and miles ahead in IPC. I think the new 6c/12t i7's will demolish the Ryzen lineup, atleast for my purposes. I was going to do a Ryzen/Vega build but not so sure now.

[themctipers]

holy shit

 

 

fuck buying the new laptop

8TH GEN LAPTOP U/M3 HYPE