Longevity of AM4? 2nd personal build thoughts.

[DARBADARBZ]

How long should the 5800X3D last, or AM4 in general for gaming and usability? I am on my 2nd daily driver/gaming build (which has been upgraded a few times already, R5 5600G to R7 5800X3D), but I stuck with FM2 socket from 2012 - 2023 with the A10-5500 to A10-5800K and then A10-6800K, from the integrated all the way up to RX 580 GPU. R7 5800X3D is the maxed-out chip for AM4 right? They are releasing new chips somehow, but they can't outdo the 5800X3D in that socket, right? Like with the FM2 the GPUs got obsolete, so I upgraded them, but it took a long time for the A10 CPUs to really be totally trash, it was running FS2020 at 1080p low/med at 30-45 fps until the motherboard started kicking the bucket. 

[emosun]

3 minutes ago, DARBADARBZ said:

How long should the 5800X3D last, or AM4 in general for gaming and usability?

It should last a few decades depending on the manufacturing quality of the board. Typically a chip should last well over several decades without issue. The boards tend to be made much worse than the chips and may need swapping.

[rippy4500]

Even if they release more chips I don't think they will make something faster than the 5800X3D.

We have no way of knowing what system requirements will be in the future, and what you need it to do could also change over time. So we can't say for sure how long it will last.

Might last 5-10 years in terms of usable lifespan depending on how system requirements evolve over time. In terms of how long the hardware will last before it breaks that will probably be 10 years or more, especially if you have a high quality mobo, cooler, etc.

[tkitch]

AMD is still being weird making chips for AM4, but the platform is dead ended.

 

Everything they've been adding is a lower-binned, or cut down 5800x3d.

 

If you're going to spend money on a platform today, go AM5, not AM4.  Or wait till the fall for Ryzen 9000 or Intel 15th gen.

[RONOTHAN##]

33 minutes ago, DARBADARBZ said:

R7 5800X3D is the maxed-out chip for AM4 right?

Yes. 

 

33 minutes ago, DARBADARBZ said:

They are releasing new chips somehow, but they can't outdo the 5800X3D in that socket, right?

They probably could if they wanted to, IIRC there's no technical reason they can't release Zen 4 on AM4 and make something like a 7750X3D, but the question is will they. The odds of that happening are basically zero. 

 

 

If you want to buy a new setup today, unless you're very strapped for cash and going with a low end offering like a 5500 or 5600, spend the extra money on AM5. Board pricing has come down quite a bit (its not quite at price parity, but the lower end boards are only about $20 more on AM5 than AM4), the CPUs are just faster while being slightly cheaper (the 7600(X) is on par or faster with the 5800X3D in most workloads, including a lot of games), and RAM is an extra $20 for a 2x16GB kit. Getting something like a 5700X3D only really makes sense as an in socket upgrade because of that.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CJtz3y

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H9xr89

 

You only save $10 going 5700X3D compared to a 7600 in the US, and for that you lose an upgrade path in total. If you already own an AM4 board or can get one for dirt cheap on eBay, then the math works out a bit differently, but as it is AM4 doesn't make much sense to invest in nowadays

[tkitch]

2 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Yes. 

 

They probably could if they wanted to, IIRC there's no technical reason they can't release Zen 4 on AM4 and make something like a 7750X3D, but the question is will they. The odds of that happening are basically zero. 

They'd have to re-engineer the silicon.
 

If for nothing but the fact that AM5 is DDR5 only.

[RONOTHAN##]

Just now, tkitch said:

They'd have to re-engineer the silicon.
 

If for nothing but the fact that AM5 is DDR5 only.

They could probably just reuse the IO die of Ryzen 3000/5000 and just change the cores themselves, and IIRC there were rumors when Ryzen 7000 was released that they were plans to do that that were inevitably scrapped. 

[podkall]

If you're just gaming, you'd want to upgrade to 5700x3D rather than 5800x3D to save some $, if you're considering to upgrade your current CPU