Asus prepares to launch ROG STRIX RX 590 | RX 590 Confirmed with imminent launch

[porina]

11 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Vega at launch was a good example of that .

Maybe my memory isn't great, but at launch was about the only time the prices were vaguely reasonable before now. Mining was already a thing, but I managed to pick up a non-game bundle Vega 56 for comparable to a non-elevated 1070 at the time.

 

In a quick look, today you can get a Vega 64 for comparable cash to a 1080 or 2070, so the price/performance is there, just don't look at power.

11 hours ago, YaBoiWill said:

welp I just got a 580. Why does everything I buy get facking outdated in what feels like 5 minutes from when I eagerly grab it from the delivery dude?

If you want to pretend to ride the cutting edge don't buy something that's been out for... a long enough time. And is still below Vega.

[AlTech]

16 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

It was priced never less and up to 100 dollars more than the 1080 msrp to msrp by the time the 64 launched (remember that launch pricing wasn't actually msrp, but a rebate program), for the same performance (stock to stock. ~10% lower oc to oc). Oh and 100-130W greater power consumption, which does in fact cost some money. Even before they became unavailable for purchase cause of mining, the only time they had notable gaming value was at the 'fake' 400 dollar price point (well and right now when they are available well below msrp, but so is the 1080...)

 

Obviously vega 56 was a better value, which is why I didnt mention it as anything different.

I think you're confused.

 

MSRP of V56 - $399

MSRP of V64 - $499

MSRP of V64 Liquid - $699

 

 

I will admit that the V64 liquid MSRP was way overpriced but the other two were fine.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

I think you're confused.

 

MSRP of V56 - $399

MSRP of V64 - $499

MSRP of V64 Liquid - $699

 

 

I will admit that the V64 liquid MSRP was way overpriced but the other two were fine.

MSRP of the 1080 at that moment was already only 500 dollars as well.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3175782/components-graphics/nvidia-slashes-geforce-gtx-1080-prices-reveals-new-overclocked-memory-options.html

 

MSRP of 1080 dropped to 500 in March 2017. Vega 64 post "launch" (fake) pricing in Aug 2017 was also 500. But the 1080 matched stock to stock, consumed 100W less power, and oc to oc was notably faster. So yeah. Not a good buy at launch either.  

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

MSRP of the 1080 at that moment was already only 500 dollars as well.

Yes, "only" $500 for a midrange chip.

Quote

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3175782/components-graphics/nvidia-slashes-geforce-gtx-1080-prices-reveals-new-overclocked-memory-options.html

 

MSRP of 1080 dropped to 500 in March 2017. Vega 64 post "launch" (fake) pricing in Aug 2017 was also 500. But the 1080 matched stock to stock, consumed 100W less power, and oc to oc was notably faster. So yeah. Not a good buy at launch either.  

V64 was a good buy for people not wanting to support Nvidia's issues such as GPP and other things.

 

V56 was a much better buy than a 1070 despite the higher power consumption.

[Coaxialgamer]

11 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Anybody with a 480 or 580 has no need to upgrade to an RX 590.

 

The only people i'd recommend upgrading to an RX 590 are owners of R9 380(X), R9 390(X) and R9 290(X) owners or owners of equivalent Nvidia cards.

Why? For a 20% performance jump? Sure, power consumption is much lower but apart from that the performance jump is evolutionary not revolutionary 

[RejZoR]

There is one good thing about RX 590. Cryptomining is dead so people will actually be able to buy these for gaming Would be nice if it was 7nm though.

 

I also wonder if they made any other changes. Polaris was pretty ok on release, but frankly, this is 3rd iteration of it, I don't think it'll cut it for "modern times" using same design with tiny bit higher clocks. One refresh, sure, but three? They are stretching it a bit imo.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

V56 was a much better buy than a 1070 despite the higher power consumption.

winter was coming aswell

 

not to mention the ice storm of mining. 

 

you could heat your room while making money or join a folding community

[Curufinwe_wins]

22 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yes, "only" $500 for a midrange chip.

V64 was a good buy for people not wanting to support Nvidia's issues such as GPP and other things.

 

V56 was a much better buy than a 1070 despite the higher power consumption.

I have never said the V56 wasn't a good buy. I literally only said good things about it.

 

The statement was originally quoted from someone claiming vega 64!!!! was the price to performance king. Well it didn't even offer better gaming value than the 1080 at launch. Looked even worse as soon as prices exploded from mining, and only now recently can sometimes be had for cheaper enough than a 1080 for it to be worth considering (personally, given the wattage difference and my energy prices, that price difference is about 50 dollars for me).

 

Unless of course you want to make a statement with your purchase and not a VALUE decision. Which, honestly, go for it. All's the better if you or anyone else does. Just don't come claiming it's a better value when you do. The reason for purchase is then statement first, value second.

[GoldenLag]

14 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Polaris was pretty ok on release, but frankly, this is 3rd iteration of it, I don't think it'll cut it for "modern times" using same design with tiny bit higher clocks

its polaris, but its not the RX 580. its a RX580 + 2 CUs (+speculated higher memmory speeds) + 15% clock boost.

 

its a step up, but a rather small one

 

edited as numbers seems to have come out of nowhere

Edited October 23, 2018 by GoldenLag

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

its polaris, but its not the RX 580. its a RX580 + 2 CUs (+speculated higher memmory speeds) + 15% clock boost.

 

its a step up, but a rather small one

Nope, identical CU count with higher core clocks.

 

Unless you have a source which proves otherwise.

[GoldenLag]

7 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Nope, identical CU count with higher core clocks.

 

Unless you have a source which proves otherwise.

I just doublechecled, now im wondering how i mamaged to look up the CU count on the RX 580 and somehow get a number for the RX 590 that was 2 more CUs than the RX 580........... I must have been really tired yeasterday

[SpaceGhostC2C]

12 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Anynonymous sources have confirmed Asus is preparing to launch the upcoming ROG STRIX RX 590.

You mean the upcoming Arez Strix RX590?

 

Spoiler

 

[RejZoR]

Would be cool if AMD released RX Vega 48 and RX Vega 32 for the lower tier based on Vega core, but with GDDR5. In line with the numbering scheme.

[AlTech]

7 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

You mean the upcoming Arez Strix RX590?

 

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No, Asus is getting rid of the AREZ brand according to the source .

[Curufinwe_wins]

4 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Would be cool if AMD released RX Vega 48 and RX Vega 32 for the lower tier based on Vega core, but with GDDR5. In line with the numbering scheme.

Would be cool if AMD released a product competitive with 2080 and above so we didn't get robbed so hard looking for improvements over 4 year old hardware. Like how 980ti actually offered the same price to performance as a 970 [ie it had ~ double the performance for a bit less than double the price]. 

 

(yes, I am aware that for at least the majority of the time the 980ti was considered current gen, the 290(x) and its refresh offered notably better price to the 970... but that was still a really big deal to have so little diminishing return on investment.)

[Trixanity]

4 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

isnt 12nm literrally 14nm? (edit: as in it is a shrink, but the density is the same)

 

Zen+ has the same diesize as regular Zen. 

 

also my guess is that the extra CUs that the semi-custom polaris has isnt good enough improvement to warrant a new product. hence a new node is being used. 

12LP is 10% more performance and 15% reduced area over 14LPP. The reason the die size is the same is that they did not do anything with the extra area instead opting to add more space between silicon meaning it was nice and easy to transition to 12LP. You could call it a compatibility die shrink in the sense that it's an in-place upgrade minimizing R&D and cost requirements.

[TheRandomness]

2304 shaders? Come on, why not 2560 rumoured? 2816 would also be nice. 

[Doobeedoo]

Good as far as refreshing mid-range and when price is attractive. I still have R9 290 and holds well still. Really want to see the new flagship to Vega be it Navi or the next gen with more generational leap in performance. 

[asus killer]

2 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

2304 shaders? Come on, why not 2560 rumoured? 2816 would also be nice. 

why not 3000, or 3200 that would be nice 

 

any idea of the launch date (sales i mean)?

[cj09beira]

2 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

2304 shaders? Come on, why not 2560 rumoured? 2816 would also be nice. 

it would be nice to see a 290x sized gpu again, hopefully navi will be that size, to me it seemed like the best size for gcn 

[Canada EH]

6 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

join a folding community 

how do you make cash doing that?

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Canada EH said:

how do you make cash doing that?

OR joins a folding community.

 

i didnt say you could

[Canada EH]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

OR joins a folding community.

 

i didnt say you could

Perhaps there is a miscommunication here.

I never looked into folding beyond getting a basic definition.

So, you are saying there is no way to make money in folding, it is just an altruistic interest.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

Perhaps there is a miscommunication here.

I never looked into folding beyond getting a basic definition.

So, you are saying there is no way to make money in folding, it is just an altruistic interest.

im shure there is some community that would pay some for the computational power, but what they pay is probably less than the powerbill. i havent looked much into this though

[overttt]

18 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Vega at launch was a good example of that .

The Vega now is a good example of that