Intel Desktop launch is exactly as we thought

[Master Disaster]

AMD right now...

 

[Curufinwe_wins]

Apparently (ala Kyle at HardOCP) MSI expects 9900k skus to all hit 5.4 all core with 5.7 GHz single core. Holy balls batman. 

[TahoeDust]

1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Apparently (ala Kyle at HardOCP) MSI expects 9900k skus to all hit 5.4 all core with 5.7 GHz single core. Holy balls batman. 

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

Yep, need those glasses, dont want to get sunburns from the glowing hot heatsink.

[mynameisjuan]

I still expect the 9900k to compete. Its not all about cores. Even though the 8700k was 2 cores behind Ryzen its still beat it in a good amount of test and matched it in the rest. Combine that with 2 more cores than the 8700k and a much higher clock....yeah its going to kick ass. 

[TahoeDust]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Yep, need those glasses, dont want to get sunburns from the glowing hot heatsink.

700mm of rads says what?

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

700mm of rads says what?

What?

[alicskysareblue]

41 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Dont forget the Z390 mobo to enshure BIOS support. That or a 50$ CPU to update the BIOS of a 300 series mobo.

I planned on getting a z390 board too much of a hassle otherwise

[Deli]

52 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Apparently (ala Kyle at HardOCP) MSI expects 9900k skus to all hit 5.4 all core with 5.7 GHz single core. Holy balls batman. 

Intel is still on 14nm. I could only image how hot that chip runs at those clock speed.

[Curufinwe_wins]

2 minutes ago, Deli said:

Intel is still on 14nm. I could only image how hot that chip runs at those clock speed.

Meh, still going to run cooler (power wise) than the overclocked HEDT processors of years past.

[Deli]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Meh, still going to run cooler (power wise) than the overclocked HEDT processors of years past.

I seriously hope people will not try to cool it with a Hyper 212 EVO. As there are some who tried it with 8700K and came to the forum and asked why their CPUs are overheated.

[cj09beira]

3 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

People who want the best gaming performance and also can use the threads for production?

if you are really doing production then having 10 fps more wont matter to you and you will probably want to go either x299 or threadripper

3 hours ago, MMKing said:

Dear lord that headline

 

''INTEL'S NEW PROCESSORS SPIN UP HIGH-END PERFORMANCE FOR THE MASSES''

 

I would hardly call a 580USD CPU a product for the masses. Add RAM and the motherboard and you're easily down 900-1000USD before you're even looking at PSU, GPU, Case, storage and maybe a monitor.

 

Edit: With a stock 8 core 16 thread clock speed of 3.6GHZ, i'm very interested in hearing from the tech press how much the CPU will actually boost towards it's cited boost clock of 5GHZ. I believe we heard something about all core boost to 4.7GHZ, but i can't pin this statement as coming directly from Intel. I can't imagine it holding it's TDP of 95W at those clock speeds.

intel has been lying about tdps ever since they introduced boost clocks, they set the tdp at base clock, which until they introduced boost was the all core frequency but now they have much much higher all core frequencies than what the base clock would imply, so those cpus have a 95w tdp at 3.6ghz so their tdp at the 4.5+ghz all core boost will be insane, 

[porina]

1 hour ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Apparently (ala Kyle at HardOCP) MSI expects 9900k skus to all hit 5.4 all core with 5.7 GHz single core. Holy balls batman. 

I'm calling BS on that. Intel will tweak it a bit compared to previous, but short of extreme cooling we're not going to get that.

17 minutes ago, Deli said:

Intel is still on 14nm. I could only image how hot that chip runs at those clock speed.

Assuming it will be no worse per-core than previous gen, it really isn't bad. I was able to bench at 5.1 on 8086k on air, and 5.2 after delid. With the solder it'll save everyone that step making it easier to go higher within its limits.

 

 

Overall, it is a bit spendy but worth it if you want the performance. If you're on a tight budget, there's always Ryzen.

 

On the 8c8t thing, for most things most of the time, it will be faster than 6c12t. Threads are worth a lot less than physical cores when it comes to doing work. For Cinebench R15, which is on the better end of HT scaling, 8c8t is about on parity with 6c12t of equivalent clock.

[Deli]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

I'm calling BS on that. Intel will tweak it a bit compared to previous, but short of extreme cooling we're not going to get that.

Assuming it will be no worse per-core than previous gen, it really isn't bad. I was able to bench at 5.1 on 8086k on air, and 5.2 after delid. With the solder it'll save everyone that step making it easier to go higher within its limits.

 

 

Overall, it is a bit spendy but worth it if you want the performance. If you're on a tight budget, there's always Ryzen.

 

On the 8c8t thing, for most things most of the time, it will be faster than 6c12t. Threads are worth a lot less than physical cores when it comes to doing work. For Cinebench R15, which is on the better end of HT scaling, 8c8t is about on parity with 6c12t of equivalent clock.

If the new SKUs stay at 5.0/5.1GHz, then ok. But if the rumor is true, that it can hit 5.4/5.7Ghz on ambient. A lot of wattage on a relatively small die.....

 

Will have to wait an see. Although I won't hold my breath.

[dtaflorida]

Where is AMD and their 2800x? They've been saving it to rain on this day right?

[Phentos]

Well at least the pricing is not completely insane. I'll wait for Amazon to have it in stock at close to MSRP. Sure I'll be paying sales tax because California, but I also have almost $180 worth of gift card credit 

 

It pained me quite a bit to part with my R7 1700 earlier this year, but its single threaded performance really was a bit lacking even when OC'ed. I am unhappily married to Adobe's product stack and the performance benefits with Intel cannot be ignored. That and I plan on buying a 1440p 144hz monitor around Black Friday or so provided I can choose between IPS lottery, smeary VA, or gamma shifting TN panels. AUO really needs to get their crap together with their panels or LG and/or Samsung need to step up to the plate.

[Maticks]

It says online 9900k only has two cores that can hit 5ghz and 9700k one core can hit 5ghz. 

That doesn't sound like better gaming performance. When an 8086k can hit 5.1 on all cores.

 

These benchmarks I think we are going to see some better and some not so good.

Was holding out on my order but looks like 8086k is going to be better.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13401/intel-9th-gen-cpus-9900k-9700k-9600k

[porina]

3 minutes ago, Maticks said:

It says online 9900k only has two cores that can hit 5ghz and 9700k one core can hit 5ghz. 

That doesn't sound like better gaming performance. When an 8086k can hit 5.1 on all cores.

Compare like with like. At stock, 8086k is single core 5.0. For it to do all cores 5.1, you need to overclock.

[bugl7]

7 minutes ago, Maticks said:

It says online 9900k only has two cores that can hit 5ghz and 9700k one core can hit 5ghz. 

That doesn't sound like better gaming performance. When an 8086k can hit 5.1 on all cores.

 

These benchmarks I think we are going to see some better and some not so good.

Was holding out on my order but looks like 8086k is going to be better.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13401/intel-9th-gen-cpus-9900k-9700k-9600k

this says it's 4.3GHz for the 8086k

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8672/intel-core-i7-8086k-coffee-lake-review/index.html

[porina]

Just looked at the UK pre-order pricing. Normally as a rule of thumb, US$=1£ has worked reasonably well. Well, it isn't working any more. At one of my preferred resellers, 9900k £600, 9700k £500, 9600k £350. Having said that, I note the pricing for 8700k/8086k are up too, to £470/£490 respectively. For comparison, I paid £384 for my 8086k when it came out. Is this the Intel shortage, or is the £ collapsing some more with impending Brexit? I can only hope the 9000 series is placeholder pricing and it may drop after launch, but at this price I might as well get Skylake-X for less. Nope, that's gone up too. Stuff it, nvidia can have my money instead if they ever have 2080 Ti in stock...

[Curufinwe_wins]

33 minutes ago, porina said:

I'm calling BS on that. Intel will tweak it a bit compared to previous, but short of extreme cooling we're not going to get that.

Assuming it will be no worse per-core than previous gen, it really isn't bad. I was able to bench at 5.1 on 8086k on air, and 5.2 after delid. With the solder it'll save everyone that step making it easier to go higher within its limits.

 

 

Overall, it is a bit spendy but worth it if you want the performance. If you're on a tight budget, there's always Ryzen.

 

On the 8c8t thing, for most things most of the time, it will be faster than 6c12t. Threads are worth a lot less than physical cores when it comes to doing work. For Cinebench R15, which is on the better end of HT scaling, 8c8t is about on parity with 6c12t of equivalent clock.

 

[Phentos]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

 

 

[Deli]

5 minutes ago, porina said:

Just looked at the UK pre-order pricing. Normally as a rule of thumb, US$=1£ has worked reasonably well. Well, it isn't working any more. At one of my preferred resellers, 9900k £600, 9700k £500, 9600k £350. Having said that, I note the pricing for 8700k/8086k are up too, to £470/£490 respectively. For comparison, I paid £384 for my 8086k when it came out. Is this the Intel shortage, or is the £ collapsing some more with impending Brexit? I can only hope the 9000 series is placeholder pricing and it may drop after launch, but at this price I might as well get Skylake-X for less. Nope, that's gone up too. Stuff it, nvidia can have my money instead if they ever have 2080 Ti in stock...

The prices of 8700K and other 8th gen SKUs also goes up here in the Netherlands, 499 euro for the 8700K now compares to 359 euro a few weeks earlier. Don't know what's going on.

 

AMD CPUs stay at the same prices.

[AlTech]

5 hours ago, Deli said:

Yeah, you pay $180 for 2 extra cores compares to 8700k. Deal of the century.

I can't tell if being serious but there's no way I would recommend an 9900K or the 9700K over the Ryzen equivalent unless Intel drops the prices.

[Deli]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

I can't tell if being serious but there's no way I would recommend an 9900K or the 9700K over the Ryzen equivalent unless Intel drops the prices.

I was joking, of course.