Finland's Government Now Classifies Esports as a Traditional Sport

[Drak3]

15 minutes ago, EG! said:

Then why isn't everyone a pro gamer? Why aren't you making millions being 'lazy' as you call it.

Not everyone is a lazy piece of shit.

 

18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Now that just insults. Im sorry but it is.

How is competetive shooting any different? If its all basic muscle memmory why is there a large gap between the avarage and the profesionals that we also see in "real" sports. 

Competitive shooting requires endurance, critical thinking, and strength.

21 minutes ago, Silentprototipe said:

Man you are just full of negativity . How is it worse than none? People make some good money out of this and I sure as hell couldn't push through like pro's can. Gaming is rather demanding on the body and hence why I don't play as much anymore since it takes a huge toll on me. I can only imagine what an esports player must feel like at the end of the day

 

It's glorifying something that doesn't benefit society: glorifying an excessively lazy piece of shit that only games.

 

14 minutes ago, Silentprototipe said:

It is rather demanding, I work out myself and I can no longer bring myself to game for more than 3 hours at a time. It takes a toll on my back and wrists and so I end up playing maybe 6 hours a week anymore 

No, bad posture and lack of physical activity is damaging to the body.

[The Benjamins]

Why is everyone arguing weather or not eSport should be considered a sport per definition? When this article is about eSports being treated the same as a Sport in the eyes of the law in Finland. This is topic is about eSport players and organization in Finland being able to operate the same as a Sports team(or player) in the eyes of the law.

 

Example a athlete can get a athletic visa, but before a eSports pro can't.

 

@mynameisjuan @Silentprototipe @EG!

[mynameisjuan]

2 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

Racing is consider sports also but there technically little to no physical activity and cultural background what does that mean?

Racing is actually quite hard physically. Like as boring and fucking pointless nascar is, it requires a lot of physical work just to fight the cars, heat, water loss and Gs from all that left turning. 

[ItsMitch]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Example a athlete can get a athletic visa, but before a eSports pro can't.

 

In only 2 very rare cases represented by CSA only 2 professional SC2 players have had access to an American P-1A VISA (Athlete VISA) 

https://dotesports.com/starcraft/news/choi-polt-song-hyuen-athletes-visa-united-states-starcraft-71#list-3 but they don't do them anymore as it's a lot easier to get in on Athlete. 

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Why is everyone arguing weather or not eSport should be considered a sport per definition? When this article is about eSports being treated the same as a Sport in the eyes of the law in Finland. This is topic is about eSport players and organization in Finland being able to operate the same as a Sports team(or player) in the eyes of the law.

 

That's a good question but I've gave up asking questions in this discussion. 

[EG!]

7 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Chess is a mental stress on its own. No different than my projects I do at work try to fix broken shit from people before me. 

Ive done professional gaming, made some quick bucks than called it quits. It wasnt stressful at all nor draining. I just had to stop because it was killing my relationships with my girl and my friends. 

 

I am more stressed and beat now with an engineering job and occasional lifting than I was bodybuilding and playing games. Games just are not that draining. More physical health issue than anything. 

I understand your point and your experience with it, here in Belgium they want Teaching to be recognised as hard labor so they can retire at a younger age and a lot of people don't understand that either. 

There will always be people that find things easier than other, what you're saying makes me believe you handle stress very well but there are very few people that handle that good.

I think legally esports is sports but different, which doesn't make it better or worse.

[Silentprototipe]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's glorifying something that doesn't benefit society: glorifying an excessively lazy piece of shit that only games.

 

Have you seen some of these pros? If anything they are far from excessively lazy. Yes there are rather "unfit" pros but there are also some that are rather fit for being a professional esports player. Just saying  

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Competitive shooting requires endurance, critical thinking, and strength

No real endurance needed as you are not lifting the rifle. No critical thinking needed as all you think about is pulling the trigger. Strenght not needed as you are not actually lifting the rifle. Equipment hold the rifle. 

 

The argument can be made that one needs some endurance to not get stale. Even then its minimal at most.

[EG!]

6 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Why is everyone arguing weather or not eSport should be considered a sport per definition? When this article is about eSports being treated the same as a Sport in the eyes of the law in Finland. This is topic is about eSport players and organization in Finland being able to operate the same as a Sports team(or player) in the eyes of the law.

 

Example a athlete can get a athletic visa, but before a eSports pro can't.

 

@mynameisjuan @Silentprototipe @EG!

Most countries have visa's for esports already but it needs to be recogined as a sport and I find it odd that people call it lazy or easy compared to cycling or running after a ball or beating eachother K.O.

[Eduard the weeb]

inb4 @Ashiella get triggered 

 

8 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's glorifying something that doesn't benefit society: glorifying an excessively lazy piece of shit that only games.

 

yeah but the only thing basketball, football, etc is bring economic gain. like it wrecks your body and makes gives you brain damage. also you clearly have not seen people like freakzoid formerly on c9 then if he is lazy 

[dizmo]

I don't agree with this at all. It's not a sport. A competition, sure absolutely. A sport? No. Thanks young millennials. 

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

No real endurance needed as you are not lifting the rifle. No critical thinking needed as all you think about is pulling the trigger. Strenght not needed as you are not actually lifting the rifle. Equipment hold the rifle. 

Get behind a rifle, and you'd be singing a different tune.

 

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[Trixanity]

The anger in this thread is palpable. Who pissed in your cereal?

 

Possibly the most infantile rage I've seen in a while and propped up by silly comparisons and a sense of superiority and arrogance. 

 

No one is allowed to enjoy something when the fun police is on patrol apparently.

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, EG! said:

I understand your point and your experience with it, here in Belgium they want Teaching to be recognised as hard labor so they can retire at a younger age and a lot of people don't understand that either. 

I argue with construction workers all the time that that my job is just as draining as theirs but most are too cocky to understand that. 

 

14 minutes ago, EG! said:

There will always be people that find things easier than other, what you're saying makes me believe you handle stress very well but there are very few people that handle that good

I can control it but the stress I go through can make me a mess, mostly due to managers though and not my actual work. Being in the IT field helped control my stress and just take a step back when something is wrong and understand at times things will go wrong.

 

15 minutes ago, EG! said:

I think legally esports is sports but different, which doesn't make it better or worse.

I never said they are not sports though. I argued that they are not as taxing. If poker is considered a sport then I lost all meaning to what is a sport.

[Dukester]

 

12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

A sport? 

In my eyes, eSports is much as a sport as Snooker and Pool. Snooker and Pool need you to have good coordination and skill, as much as any major eSports game these days. If you don't see Snooker and Pool as a sport, I get why you don't see eSports. If you see Snooker and Pool as a sport but not eSports then :thinking:

[PCGuy_5960]

27 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's glorifying something that doesn't benefit society: glorifying an excessively lazy piece of shit that only games.

And how do normal sports benefit society? A bunch of dudes running around and throwing balls. Yeah, this definitely benefits society. Get real. 

[Rupe]

I don't really think esports are traditional sports the same way I don't consider chess a traditional sport. I think that it is its own thing and that's fine. Although i'm all for governments seeing esports players the same as athletes if it gives them an easier time with visas and the like.

[Drak3]

11 minutes ago, Dukester said:

 

In my eyes, eSports is much as a sport as Snooker and Pool. Snooker and Pool need you to have good coordination and skill, as much as any major eSports game these days. If you don't see Snooker and Pool as a sport, I get why you don't see eSports. If you see Snooker and Pool as a sport but not eSports then :thinking:

Pool requires a high level of control of one's own stregnth andban understanding of deflection to be exceptional at.

 

9 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

And how do normal sports benefit society? A bunch of dudes running around and throwing balls. Yeah, this definitely benefits society. Get real. 

Glorifies healthy activity.

 

Except American Football.

[Sakkura]

52 minutes ago, Dukester said:

I get both of these points. You've got no cultural background in e-Sports because it is only just starting to take off properly (last 5-10 years when football and rugby has 100-200 years). I also get the no physical activity bit, as much as I could argue that the average Dota players wrist moves a lot, e-Sports doesn't exert as much as running around a field for 80-90 minutes.

Depends what game it is. Echo Arena involves plenty exertion.

[Devin92]

42 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Chess is a mental stress on its own. No different than my projects I do at work try to fix broken shit from people before me. 

Ive done professional gaming, made some quick bucks than called it quits. It wasnt stressful at all nor draining. I just had to stop because it was killing my relationships with my girl and my friends. 

 

I am more stressed and beat now with an engineering job and occasional lifting than I was bodybuilding and playing games. Games just are not that draining. More physical health issue than anything. 

 

But I dont think careers are going to last long due to a games life. I dont think kids will be quicker, teenagers today have already grown up in the tech world. 

Thats not demanding....thats just a toll on your body. 

you cant compare any sports (esports or traditional) to working. sports are generally relaxing mentally than working. you will feel the mental stress if you have to get make the clutch 3 pointer or bring the bomb to B site, but it's not like the constant workload you have to deal with for real world problems such as team/project management, getting marketing material ready etc.

now what I think esport should be consider sport has two reasons, first ofc legal, make it much easier to get visa and staff. and second, is the competitive side of it. when you are behind, you dont give up, and you keep finding ways to get back into the game. thats what sports should promote. and theres a must to add 'e' in the front becuz theres a fundamental difference: traditional sport also promote health body shape.

[ItsMitch]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Glorifies healthy activity.

 

Except American Football.

@Dukester will be very upset after hearing this

[bcredeur97]

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

e-Sports aren't traditional sports. No cultural background, no physical activity.

 

It'd just go over the proponents' head, so no.

well normal sports did get called "sports" at some point... even when there was no cultural background at that point in time. Cultural background is more of  a thing that's grown over time... you still have to start with nothing

 

that said I agree in a sense that it is hard for me to comprehend why essentially video games are becoming a sport. We're all not used to this being "a sport" so it just doesn't feel right. But I mean after seeing about how all the strategy and planning that goes into playing some games competitively as well as it being a group/team effort, they really do have some sports elements to them...

[Trixanity]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Pool requires a high level of control of one's own stregnth andban understanding of deflection to be exceptional at.

 

Glorifies healthy activity.

 

Except American Football.

Most popular sports have shown to result in various degrees of damage to the brain so it's not unique to football - it's just a lot worse in football.

 

There's a lot of drug use in pretty much all physically demanding sports.

 

The damage done to the body being pushed beyond its limits, getting surgery to get back on the field faster and playing with injuries.

 

So many dark aspects of modern sports yet we should celebrate it more than other things?

[Devin92]

1 minute ago, Trixanity said:

Most popular sports have shown to result in various degrees of damage to the brain so it's not unique to football - it's just a lot worse in football.

 

There's a lot of drug use in pretty much all physically demanding sports.

 

The damage done to the body being pushed beyond its limits, getting surgery to get back on the field faster and playing with injuries.

 

So many dark aspects of modern sports yet we should celebrate it more than other things?

when there's million dollars on the line, ofc players will do (or forced to do) wutever to get a win. its not the sports fault. its the entertainment systems' fault.

[Dukester]

7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Pool requires a high level of control of one's own stregnth andban understanding of deflection to be exceptional at.

Dota/StarCraft etc requires a high level of eye to hand coordination and understanding to be exceptional at, both take an impact to you mentally if you lose/win a tournament/professional match... 

 

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Glorifies healthy activity.

 

Except American Football.

I don't get this line.... NOBODY has said to ditch sports and only do eSports... Sports is still going to be popular, football isn't just going to die cause Finland now support competitive dota..... It shouldn't ONLY be down to professional sports to glorify healthy activity. It should be down to the government through campaigns, schools through PE and awareness and most importantly Parents to say when enough is enough..... 

[Drak3]

5 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

well normal sports did get called "sports" at some point... even when there was no cultural background at that point in time. Cultural background is more of  a thing that's grown over time... you still have to start with nothing

Most sports are modern adaptations of games or training.

 

But the "traditional" also plays a role in this.

7 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

@Dukester will be very upset after hearing this

Meh. Football is just the pussy version of Rugby.