Am I a mutant or an unusual human?

[Shadow_Storm56]

They say that everyone sees things different and some people can't tell 30 fps from 60 and others can see 60 from 80 and so on. I find some days I can slightly see monitors refreshing and I cannot stand cheap led lights because I can always see the flicker and it is annoying. Plus I can easily see a difference in the case of games even up to 120fps in how smooth the gameplay is. Idk I just always found I could notice things that normally are too fast for others to see. 

[Jasun]

I noticed this when I focused on a TV screen (I know that's it's not particularly a monitor but same different.) I could see it flicker. Doesn't really bother me because I don't focus on it when actually watching... I think all humans should be able to differentiate between different framerates (30, 60, 120, etc.) because we don't actually see our world in frames but that might just be me...

[Starelementpoke]

4 minutes ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

They say that everyone sees things different and some people can't tell 30 fps from 60 and others can see 60 from 80 and so on. I find some days I can slightly see monitors refreshing and I cannot stand cheap led lights because I can always see the flicker and it is annoying. Plus I can easily see a difference in the case of games even up to 120fps in how smooth the gameplay is. Idk I just always found I could notice things that normally are too fast for others to see. 

I'm pretty sure the inability between 30-60fps and etc is just a myth. Probably more associated to how good your eye sight is.

[ARikozuM]

You have to train yourself to notice the differences in panel refresh. Aside from drawing a "conclusive" maximum based on physics and chemistry of the eyes and nerves associated, we will never have a blanket "this is how many frames you can see", but we may have a range that the average populace will fit into. Again, it likely won't mean much thanks to physics and limitations of the body (similar reason why sphygmomanometers don't go into the 1000mm/Hg range). 

 

Side note: Saw an Animal Planet (or was it Discovery?) where the host said and I'm paraphrasing "humans can see 60 frames a second, but dragonflies can see at 200 frames a second. Dragonflies see their prey in slow-motion.". One problem is that they aren't seeing in slow-motion, they're receiving more information in the same time-span. Second problem is who the fuck measured this "fact" and how? 

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

Second problem is who the fuck measured this "fact" and how?

That'd be Jacob.

 

As for how, that's a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.

[TheRandomness]

-Thread moved to Off Topic.

[Canada EH]

You are neither, you are an alien.

[geo3]

You are a mutant. As are all organisms on Earth. Because that's how evolution works. 

[Canada EH]

58 minutes ago, geo3 said:

You are a mutant. As are all organisms on Earth. Because that's how evolution works. 

A caravan of Mutants

[Bhav]

Puhleez this again?

 

Human eyes can't see any more than 24 FPS. This is an fackt since ancient times.

[Syntaxvgm]

you are not a mutant. Most people can see and distinguish well into the 200Hz range, and some trained eyes can identify objects presented for one frame at those speeds.

 

The flickering is a common problem too. I'm finishing one of the rooms on my garage into a detached office, and I'm doing away with fluorescent lights as they irritate a freind's eyes. I also gotta make sure the PWM for dimming led light (much higher rate) wont cause problems either, it shouldn't but im not sure. He literally wears sunglasses indoors. So people are sensitive.

Me, I've found out blue light kills my eyes more than most people, but I didn't know until IPS screens became the norm, my eyes do fine with TN. I still try to get laptops with TN screens for reading and movie watching for this reason., Flux doesn't cut it. I strait up have glasses to kill blue light if my eyes get to dark. I also hate "daylight" led bulbs. They're slowly replacing the orange lights in my city and I want to kms. Gas station down he street just switched to them and I stopped going there as much. It literally affects my ability to continue to see in the dark (which without blue light is pretty good, I have good eyesight) , my eyes over adjust as if it's bright for what I assume is non visible light on the blue-UV side of the spectrum.

[Bhav]

26 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

you are not a mutant. Most people can see and distinguish well into the 200Hz range

Yea right, next you'll try to convince us that the Earth isn't flat.

[Syntaxvgm]

5 minutes ago, Bhav said:

Yea right, next you'll try to convince us that the Earth isn't flat.

no it's a doughnut you dick rag

[kirashi]

7 hours ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

They say that everyone sees things different and some people can't tell 30 fps from 60 and others can see 60 from 80 and so on. I find some days I can slightly see monitors refreshing and I cannot stand cheap led lights because I can always see the flicker and it is annoying. Plus I can easily see a difference in the case of games even up to 120fps in how smooth the gameplay is. Idk I just always found I could notice things that normally are too fast for others to see. 

7 hours ago, Starelementpoke said:

I'm pretty sure the inability between 30-60fps and etc is just a myth. Probably more associated to how good your eye sight is.

5 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

Well, your eyes aren't cameras we don't see in FPS/fresh rates.  We see the difference in which light bends.   What we are seeing is the result.  Your eye are just noticing results quicker.  Also, there can be delays in rates causing you to notice it.

27 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

you are not a mutant. Most people can see and distinguish well into the 200Hz range, and some trained eyes can identify objects presented for one frame at those speeds.

The flickering is a common problem too. --SNIP--

You're not a mutant, but you also don't see in FPS as others have pointed out. Humans sight is made up of light bouncing off the back of our retinas, creating neurological impulses that are then composited into an image by our brains. No two humans see the exact same color spectrum, motion/movement, or amount of light because we're not (yet) factory made machines. That being said... (read on below)

 

45 minutes ago, Bhav said:

Puhleez this again?

Human eyes can't see any more than 24 FPS. This is an fackt since ancient times.

You're right, because humans don't see in FPS - we simply see a composite of images created by impulses as seen through our eyes. Some humans perceive more motion or colors than others depending on the number of rods and cones they're born with. Our eyesight diminishes as we age, as the number of active rods and cones eventually wear out and thus our brains have less light to process into a usable image.

 

I'm simplifying things vastly, since I'm by no means an Ophthalmologist, but the reality is that humans perceive anywhere between 1-999 "FPS" depending on way too many variables for anyone to ever provide a measurable number. All I do know is that my eyesight is currently 20/15 (apparently better than 20/20) which is both helpful since I notice things that many friends don't in a crowd, but also terrible since ALL FLUORESCENT LIGHT SOURCES flicker ever so slightly for me.

[Syntaxvgm]

29 minutes ago, kirashi said:

You're not a mutant, but you also don't see in FPS as others have pointed out. Humans sight is made up of light bouncing off the back of our retinas, creating neurological impulses that are then composited into an image by our brains. No two humans see the exact same color spectrum, motion/movement, or amount of light because we're not (yet) factory made machines. That being said... (read on below)

 

I never specified max fps, I just specified what people will notice and comment on, as well as the reaction time of distinguishing things, which if some can see and indefinitely frame objects at more than 200 hz, than there's really no upper limit we've reached yet. 

 

I do want a 240Hz monitor, and I expect see a difference over my 144Hz one of course, but when I game for a while on 144Hz and go back to 60 sometimes I forget I did the transition and think the game is stuttering- so I wonder at what point going back down by half is not so jarring- like going from 240 to 120 or 480 to 240. Will I think a game at 144Hz looks downright choppy until I adjust after being  on 240Hz for a while?

Side note, as an effect of gaming at higher refresh rates now- even though I adjust to lower frame rates over time quite well, low pixel repose times really have started to annoy me more than frame rate, especially since the effect isn't uniform and is color dependent. A little harder to unsee that compared to refresh rate for me.

[Shadow_Storm56]

3 hours ago, Bhav said:

Puhleez this again?

 

Human eyes can't see any more than 24 FPS. This is an fackt since ancient times.

considering I can see led flicker and playing games at 24fps is terrible I doubt this 

[porina]

Note that different parts of the eye respond differently too. The centre of field of view is less responsive than the peripheral vision. This difference can be detected if there are fluorescent lights with magnetic ballast, which will flicker proportional to your mains power frequency. Bad ones or old ones flicker more, and it might not be obvious if you look straight at them (or whatever they are lighting) but if you look using the corner of your eye it might make the difference and you see it.

 

I also observed a similar effect in the old days of CRT monitors.

[Arika]

30 minutes ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

considering I can see led flicker and playing games at 24fps is terrible I doubt this 

 

this thread is also approaching /r/iamverysmart status

[Shadow_Storm56]

1 minute ago, Sierra Fox said:

 

this thread is also approaching /r/iamverysmart status

it never was supposed to get into a how much humans can see in fps argument lol. Also 10 points for the TNG gif 

[Froody129]

4 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

you are not a mutant. Most people can see and distinguish well into the 200Hz range, and some trained eyes can identify objects presented for one frame at those speeds.

 

The flickering is a common problem too. I'm finishing one of the rooms on my garage into a detached office, and I'm doing away with fluorescent lights as they irritate a freind's eyes. I also gotta make sure the PWM for dimming led light (much higher rate) wont cause problems either, it shouldn't but im not sure. He literally wears sunglasses indoors. So people are sensitive.

Me, I've found out blue light kills my eyes more than most people, but I didn't know until IPS screens became the norm, my eyes do fine with TN. I still try to get laptops with TN screens for reading and movie watching for this reason., Flux doesn't cut it. I strait up have glasses to kill blue light if my eyes get to dark. I also hate "daylight" led bulbs. They're slowly replacing the orange lights in my city and I want to kms. Gas station down he street just switched to them and I stopped going there as much. It literally affects my ability to continue to see in the dark (which without blue light is pretty good, I have good eyesight) , my eyes over adjust as if it's bright for what I assume is non visible light on the blue-UV side of the spectrum.

I’m also incredibly sensitive to blue light. I’m that guy whose flux is on maximum yellowness and then I also turned down the blue in my monitor settings. I can’t deal with the blue light. It also messes up my sleep

[Misanthrope]

You might be a mutant.

 

Spoiler

Being a mutant is really not all that uncommon: most people have at least one genetic mutation. They stop being mutations once we pass those on to our kids and they become human evolution instead.

If you ever have kids see if they experience the same issue: you might have literally contributed to the PC master race.

 

[iNSUFFZ]

Mutant, go seek TNMT for help

[manikyath]

some people are more sensitive to the preceived "flickering" than others, this is why low frequency LED dimmers make some people rather frustrated, while others barely notice. every aspect of our senses is like that: heat/cold resistance, light, dark (there's something called night-blindness), even our tasting ability varies from person to person with rather big extremes.

 

i dont necessarily mind 30FPS, as long as its buttery smooth since stutters are more offputting than refresh rate for me. i actually vsync some games to 30FPS to get rid of microstutters that would otherwise dip me from 60 down to ~45 which to me is more noticeable than just lower fps thats smooth. i guess this is part of why i'm happy at 60, most of my favourite games can run at much higher fps, but i'd rather not deal wiht microstutters.

 

on the topic of other senses, at the office we often joke about the fact i can "sense" what's wrong with a piece of computer hardware, either trough specific spots of heat, specific sounds, or the specific smell they make (gotta love burning electronics in the morning), this seems to be a skill most of my collegues completely lack..

[Urishima]

16 hours ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

They say that everyone sees things different and some people can't tell 30 fps from 60 and others can see 60 from 80 and so on. I find some days I can slightly see monitors refreshing and I cannot stand cheap led lights because I can always see the flicker and it is annoying. Plus I can easily see a difference in the case of games even up to 120fps in how smooth the gameplay is. Idk I just always found I could notice things that normally are too fast for others to see. 

Your eyes don't work at some set refresh rate. It's high grade BS.

[Princess Luna]

24fps is the minimum for the sense of motion, I can see a great deal of difference up to 100fps past that I do agree I can barely see the difference then.