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[bcredeur97]

5 minutes ago, terrytek said:

it should have bypass flaps, and with the press of a button, it should switch between purring kitten in town to savage beast on demand.

I'm sure someone has thought of that before and usually the financial dept says no

[Katsunaka]

Just now, bcredeur97 said:

yeah we have to remember that most people aren't car people and just want a quiet car. 

 

as to why they put a V8 in the M56? well it has to appeal to the car people too. It has multiple jobs. Can't win everyone.

I dont have an m56, ive got a q70 with the 5.6 from the m56. So its new brother? 

 

I couldnt find a clip of the q70 with stock exhaust, so i used an older one with the same engine. 

Now I need an intake, and a good set of coil overs. Then im done. 

 

@terrytek Maybe a Corvette, or sports car. I just have a luxury sedan with an identity crisis. RWD,420hp(factory rated) 10 speaker Bose, and heated and cooled seats. Go figure.

[Zodiark1593]

2 hours ago, terrytek said:

man, i wish the van had longer transmission gears, or at least more gears. fuel economy sucks, even on such a small v6, because the gears are so short, even though it's got 4, so the engine is spinning too fast when driving on the freeway. at 70mph, the engine turns at nearly 4k rpm. that's a reason why fuel economy sucks.

Shorter gears tend to be used for responsiveness. In a 4 speed, it would be difficult to have both the responsiveness, and a decent overdrive gear without large gear ratio differences. 

[terrytek]

6 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Shorter gears tend to be used for responsiveness. In a 4 speed, it would be difficult to have both the responsiveness, and a decent overdrive gear without large gear ratio differences. 

i mean my 2010 corolla still has a 4 speed auto (4 speed.....in 2010..... toyota wyd....) but it does get up to speed quite well, and it has a decent overdrive gear. i don't see why my van needs to be responsive. if anything, it's the complete opposite.

[AlwaysFSX]

7 hours ago, RevoltTrain said:

I'd rather own a Nissan over a Toyota myself

Been in both, I strongly dislike (infer that) basically everything Nissan does with their vehicles.

[carguy86]

9 hours ago, chaozbandit said:

NEW DIECASTS?

 

YEEHAW.

 

@MEC-777 Two Karmann Ghias, a Hakosuka skyline, and a 935.

 

 

Hakosuka.... *Drool*

[iDeFecZx]

11 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Why the hell not get some opinions on my favourite forums eh? (and since there's a thread dedicated to Car enthusiasts) 

So basically in 6~ months time, I'll be getting my driver's licence and I would have roughly £1-2K to spend on a car. (I don't want to use my parent's car cause it's a merc saloon and well, I don't think that's a great first car eh?)

 

Obviously the car I'm probably gonna buy isn't finalised as there could be something that pops up later on but what do you guys think of this list of possible contenders? 

Mazda RX8

Mitsubish FTO (if I can find one)

Toyota MR2

 

 

You maybe thinking "hey, where's the typical hatchbacks first drivers get?" and my answer would be "the hatchbacks I like are ermmmm...a tad expensive/out of budget (like £10k+ out)".

Yes they are all Japanese cars but you know..I've got a soft spot for Japanese sports cars...which is why my favourite car is a Evo 7, 8, 9, X/10  (and blame Jackie chan and tokyo drift for it) and I personally find cars like the ford focus not very nice cars...

 

To be fair, any recommendations are welcome and I may end up getting a more sensible car when the day comes  (in 6 months time and yes, I'll definitely be buying one as it would be my transport to le airfield...I'm an aviation guy, not cars...sorry )

Unless you're 30, you wont be getting a car anything like that as your first. Look up the insurance prices as a new driver and youll see why

[iiNNeX]

So yesterday was productive. Quite a few parts came and decided to get them all on the car in 1 day (my friend owns a garage so I could use the back side of it with a ramp all to myself for the day and all he wanted was a pint of cider in return )

 

First, I noticed my rear pads were getting low and the front discs had a reasonable lip already, meaning they wouldn't have lasted more than 10-15k. 

 

 

So the best thing to do is to ruin my bank account and refresh every brake component right?  

 

 

I do plan on getting the calipers re-built and powder coated too but that will be at a later stage as I need the car at the moment and can't have it off the road for long.

 

 

 

All the shiny stuff on, brakes are now bled and while at it clutch line was changed too.

 

 

Next up came my new shiny exhaust tips, these are "Euro Style" which basically means a bit bigger in diameter and look just slightly different. My original ones looked fine to be honest the only real issue was that they couldn't polish up well as the chrome had started to fall off (it's an 11 year old car so it's expected).

 

 

Old tips off:

 

1 new tip on for comparison purposes:

 

 

 

And all on:

 

 

Next up came my carbon diffuser which I got half painted to match as the entire thing in carbon looks a bit odd against the car. It is a CSL style one and definitely not original (they cost £600+...). However i am impressed by the carbon weave on this, it is not bad at all for £200 delivered.

 

 

 

So that went on as well as my new pressed metal number plates:

 

 

Engine bay cleaning and detail next as well as some stuff I have planned for the front end. (hint, moar carbon!!! :D)

[iDeFecZx]

1 hour ago, iiNNeX said:

So yesterday was productive. Quite a few parts came and decided to get them all on the car in 1 day (my friend owns a garage so I could use the back side of it with a ramp all to myself for the day and all he wanted was a pint of cider in return )

 

First, I noticed my rear pads were getting low and the front discs had a reasonable lip already, meaning they wouldn't have lasted more than 10-15k. 

 

 

 

So the best thing to do is to ruin my bank account and refresh every brake component right?  

 

 

 

I do plan on getting the calipers re-built and powder coated too but that will be at a later stage as I need the car at the moment and can't have it off the road for long.

 

 

 

 

 

All the shiny stuff on, brakes are now bled and while at it clutch line was changed too.

 

 

 

Next up came my new shiny exhaust tips, these are "Euro Style" which basically means a bit bigger in diameter and look just slightly different. My original ones looked fine to be honest the only real issue was that they couldn't polish up well as the chrome had started to fall off (it's an 11 year old car so it's expected).

 

 

 

Old tips off:

 

 

1 new tip on for comparison purposes:

 

 

 

 

 

And all on:

 

 

 

Next up came my carbon diffuser which I got half painted to match as the entire thing in carbon looks a bit odd against the car. It is a CSL style one and definitely not original (they cost £600+...). However i am impressed by the carbon weave on this, it is not bad at all for £200 delivered.

 

 

 

 

 

So that went on as well as my new pressed metal number plates:

 

 

 

Engine bay cleaning and detail next as well as some stuff I have planned for the front end. (hint, moar carbon!!! :D)

I need that M3

[iiNNeX]

3 minutes ago, iDeFecZx said:

I need that M3

It's a fun car, has aged really well and gets more looks and comments than new shape BMWs... Which was surprising.

 

Not the cheapest to maintain but if you look after it, it will look after you

[bcredeur97]

Don't know if this was posted so

 

 

[chaozbandit]

@MEC-777 @bcredeur97

 

 

[PandaCopyRight]

all i can say is ... WTF?  

[AlwaysFSX]

 

[terrytek]

8 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Been in both, I strongly dislike (infer that) basically everything Nissan does with their vehicles.

really they used to have some fun cars (they still do, they're just stupid expensive now), but now they' just make a lot of soggy bread cars.

 

1 hour ago, iiNNeX said:

It's a fun car, has aged really well and gets more looks and comments than new shape BMWs... Which was surprising.

 

Not the cheapest to maintain but if you look after it, it will look after you

well it's not so surprising because a lot of gearheads will say the newer bmws look like trash compared to something like an e46 m3 or an e39 m5.

[iDeFecZx]

1 hour ago, iiNNeX said:

It's a fun car, has aged really well and gets more looks and comments than new shape BMWs... Which was surprising.

 

Not the cheapest to maintain but if you look after it, it will look after you

The E46 is my favourite BMW, closely followed by the E60 M5. Need one in my life some day, hopefully by the time im 25 and prices havent gone through the roof

[bcredeur97]

2 minutes ago, iDeFecZx said:

The E46 is my favourite BMW, closely followed by the E60 M5. Need one in my life some day, hopefully by the time im 25 and prices havent gone through the roof

the E46 is my favorite too.  

[AlwaysFSX]

5 minutes ago, terrytek said:

really they used to have some fun cars (they still do, they're just stupid expensive now), but now they' just make a lot of soggy bread cars.

My problem is they create "solutions" to problems that didn't exist.

[terrytek]

1 minute ago, iDeFecZx said:

The E46 is my favourite BMW, closely followed by the E60 M5. Need one in my life some day, hopefully by the time im 25 and prices havent gone through the roof

i think pretty soon they will go through the roof. low mileage examples in good condition over here are being sold for north of 30 grand already. same with the e39 m5, though ones with 100k miles or more are still pretty cheap.

 

Just now, AlwaysFSX said:

My problem is they create "solutions" to problems that didn't exist.

care to explain? i don't know if i've really seen that happen with nissan.

[MEC-777]

1 hour ago, chaozbandit said:

@MEC-777 @bcredeur97

 

 

Ok, I watched this last night as soon as it popped up in my notifications. There are a few things that need to be said about their testing/methodology, and yeah, I'm going to ramble on about turbos vs SC again for a couple minutes, but please bear with me here.  (Spoiler alert - if you haven't watched it, go watch it first,then read below).

 

The autocross test:

I'm glad Moog mentioned it and caught on during the longer autocross test, because he was exactly right; they were learning the track with each pass and because the cars are so similarly setup, the time variance was well within the margin or error - for both the short and long track tests. I would have called the results from both inconclusive or a draw.  

 

The roll on test:

Several things I took issue with here...

-For the love of god, "turbo lag" is NOT the time it takes for the turbo to make boost from basically off-idle or OUTSIDE the efficiency range of the turbo. Turbo lag is the time it takes for the turbo to make boost while operating the engine WITHIN the efficiency range of the turbo. So in this case, from anything above about 3000rpm. This does showcase the one area where the SC shines, but honestly, in 99% of any form of racing, you're not needing to floor it down around 2000rpm anyways.  

-Flooring the engine to WOT at very low rpm in a turbo car or NA car is not the best way to get the best acceleration. The intake air velocity basically stalls for a moment, causing the engine to bog. If you more gently open the throttle, you keep the intake velocity up, allowing the rpm to climb along with it and minimize the bogging. It's also a great way to induce LSPI, which we've talked about before a few times.

 

Turbo flutter:

Yeah, they've got some compressor surge going on with that setup. They either need a softer spring in the BOV, a larger BOV or  something else isn't quite right. I was a little surprised to hear it, considering how knowledgeable these guys are and the fact that they made a video specifically about this bad phenomenon. This also doesn't help re-building boost during quick-shifts. 

 

How I would have tested these two cars:

-To start off, I would have fixed that turbo flutter right away. It's not good, will harm the turbo in the long run and hinders performance during quick-shifts.

-I would test on an autocross course, both technical (lower speed) and more open (higher speed), as they did, only I would test in the DRY to reduce time variance issues due to low grip. I would also test each car across at least 5 runs with each driver, reducing the factor of "learning the track". This, I think, would give both cars a much more equal opportunity. Though I think they would be very close, regardless. Where the SC car has that instant power, the turbo car makes up for it in more overall power, once it comes on. 

-I would also test on a road course race track as well as driving on the street (though they said they will test that later on).

-Roll on tests should be with both cars above at least 3000rpm. Flooring it from below that isn't really a practical test, IMO as that is a very unusual situation. You shouldn't be lugging the engine at low rpm anyways, whether it's turbo or SC. 

 

Other quick thoughts: Funny how at the end, they both preferred the turbo car. It feels (and sounds) more exciting and I think that's what it basically boils down to. Dat surging wave of torque. I also agree with their observations that the SC would be better for a beginner, just learning to race, as the power is more controllable. But later on, as you improve your skills and learn to tame the power, the turbo car you can get more performance out of, in the end. All in all, a decently fair assessment with a few minor issues, IMO.

 

Both cars look like a ton of fun to drive.

[terrytek]

the want is real right now.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5834269162.html

 

@Strando123

[carguy86]

1 minute ago, terrytek said:

the want is real right now.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5834269162.html

 

@Strando123

Nice, wonder what hes asking..... Those things will cost you an arm and a leg at a japanese auction.

[chaozbandit]

Just now, MEC-777 said:

Ok, I watched this last night as soon as it popped up in my notifications. There are a few things that need to be said about their testing/methodology, and yeah, I'm going to ramble on about turbos vs SC again for a couple minutes, but please bear with me here.  (Spoiler alert - if you haven't watched it, go watch it first,then read below).

 

 

Other quick thoughts: Funny how at the end, they both preferred the turbo car.

 

Plus it's red, so that's like +20hp.

[MEC-777]

19 minutes ago, vinyldash303 said:

About the turbo lag part tho, it's what everyone calls it, and the one area where the turbo setup stumbles. If you're at a red light and need to merge in 400 feet, you're gonna mat it at 2000 rpm to get in front of the guy to your right and it's not gonna make boost for a while. You're not gonna launch it off the light at 4500. 

 

And everyone calls it turbo lag, what else are you supposed to call it?

I know that's what everyone refers to as "turbo lag" but it's technically not the true definition, plain and simple. If you're outside the turbo's efficiency "island" it's not "lag", it's simply out of range. There is no term for that (that I know of), but it has always bothered me that people refer to it as "lag". 

 

If I'm at a red light and need to merge in 400ft, no, I'm not going to mat it at 2000rpm, because it will just bog. I'm also not going to "launch" the car at 4500rpm either. What I would so is; load up the engine at part throttle while letting out the clutch at around 2500-3000rpm to get the turbo spooling and once the boost comes on (which it should pretty darn quick) then I would floor it. No need to "launch" the car or make a dramatic take-off to get the power you need, quickly.  

 

As long as turbos have been around, I think they are still somewhat misunderstood animals. They require just minor adjustments to your driving style to reap the benefits and virtually eliminate the drawbacks (mainly lag and lack of low-rpm boost). 

[techswede]

Missed the pickup discussion. But i wouldn't go for a nissan or a toyota. (Except for a certain nissan d21 that i've mentioned repeatedly in here) 

If i was going for a modern pickup as a work truck i'd go for a Honda ridgeline

IF IT HAD A FUCKING DIESEL OPTION.. damn you honda. damn you to hell!

This is neat enough for me to want it though