Intel i7-8809G Chip with Radeon Vega Graphics appears on Intel's India Website

[Tataffe]

Intel published information about the chip on its indian website.

 

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The fact that it is listed as a Core i7-8000 series processor might make users think that this is a Coffee Lake processor, its most recently launched mainstream processor line that bears the 8000 series name. However, the Coffee Lake based Core i7 parts all have six cores, while this only has four, which would suggest it is more likely to be Kaby Lake processor. Another arrow pointing to Kaby Lake is the fact that the Intel Graphics is called ‘HD Graphics 630’, which was renamed as UHD Graphics with Coffee Lake. Third arrow is the memory support, which is up to DDR4-2400, matching Kaby Lake whereas Coffee Lake supports DDR4-2666 on its Core i7 parts. Then another nail in this story is that for a longest time, this part has been unofficially named ‘Kaby-G’.

 

AnandTech also compared this against current Intel chips:

 

 

Good times ahead, if you ask me. Better than the recent years, at least when it comes to the CPU side of things.

 

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Edit: Thanks for all your replies! There are some obvious questions that I didn't have the time to cover yesterday so here is some more info.

 

I think that this is not going to be a problem for AMD's APU sales. The reason for that is that Intel was going to make these kind of processors anyway, and if AMD had not worked with them, they would have used an Nvidia GPU instead. I actually assume that there were negotiations with both GPU makers with AMD winning, probably because of their pricing, but that is speculation on my part. If someone has more info, feel free to correct this.

 

A little more about the graphics chip:

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The AMD graphics portion of the chip is listed as Radeon RX Vega, confirming that it is using AMD’s latest Vega architecture. It is called the ‘Vega M GH Graphics’, which is fairly undefined at this point. The website does not state exactly how many compute units are in the GPU, so it is unclear if ‘GH’ is going to indicate how powerful it is, or something else.

Back when Intel announced this product was coming to market (without any details of specific numbers), we were told that the graphics would have access to high bandwidth memory, HBM2, and it would be connected to the AMD graphics using Intel’s EMIB technology. At this time we still do not have confirmation of how much HBM2 memory is in place with this product, although most media expect it to be 2GB or 4GB.

There is a little confusion about how the thing will actually look like, since it is listed together with socketable desktop processors, not mobile chips, while the renders show a product that looks like it would be soldered to the motherboard. Also I'm not sure how cooling is going to work with this arrangement of heatspreader surfaces.

 

Edited January 2, 2018 by Tataffe
Update & Extension

[Canada EH]

4 minutes ago, Tataffe said:

Intel published information about the chip on its indian website.

 

Good times ahead, if you ask me. Better than the recent years, at least when it comes to the CPU side of things.

 

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Why do you say?

[Dang3r D3bbi3]

Well if you remember the Radeon Group is a seperate company from AMD....however AMD has a lot of influence over there so now im wondering why they are allowing Intel to use their graphics....

[LienusLateTips]

4 minutes ago, Dang3r D3bbi3 said:

Well if you remember the Radeon Group is a seperate company from AMD....however AMD has a lot of influence over there so now im wondering why they are allowing Intel to use their graphics....

I'm pretty sure it's just a subsidiary.

[NumLock21]

The chart is comparing to other desktop cpus, so 8809G is a desktop cpu. The p is wrong, according to Raja from AMD Intel, P stands for performance.

pGPU (Package Graphics)  pGPU (Performance Graphics)

[NumLock21]

Just now, CUDA_Cores said:

Here's the ironic side of this:

 

Won't this cannibalize AMDs sales of any upcoming APUs?

 

I mean I suppose for AMD it doesn't matter because no matter what happens, they're still gonna be making money in the end. But I know if I was a consumer, I would go for the intel CPU with AMD graphics rather than an AMD APU due to their historically lower single-threaded performance. 

Maybe not due to price?

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Here's the ironic side of this:

 

Won't this cannibalize AMDs sales of any upcoming APUs?

 

I mean I suppose for AMD it doesn't matter because no matter what happens, they're still gonna be making money in the end. But I know if I was a consumer, I would go for the intel CPU with AMD graphics rather than an AMD APU due to their historically lower single-threaded performance. 

I think these products are just targeting the higher end, while the APUs will target the lower end.

[TheRandomness]

9 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Here's the ironic side of this:

 

Won't this cannibalize AMDs sales of any upcoming APUs?

 

I mean I suppose for AMD it doesn't matter because no matter what happens, they're still gonna be making money in the end. But I know if I was a consumer, I would go for the intel CPU with AMD graphics rather than an AMD APU due to their historically lower single-threaded performance. 

Remember though, AMD's APUs have an upgrade path to the rest of Ryzen. This is a BGA chip, not an LGA one.

[NumLock21]

Now if these VEGA M gpus are good and it's socket type, then I do wish some manufacture can make a cpu socket to PCIe adapter, like those old school days, where it can swap out just the chip instead of the whole video card.

 

Something like this, but PCIe

[Silentprototipe]

Well thats intresting. I wonder if its the same trick AMD pulled on Raven Ridge or if its some different kind of Vega. It could be another re branded Vega 8 or Vega 10 graphics like those found on the mobile Raven Ridge APU's. I happen to have one in the form of the R5 2500U and if it just turns out to be just another mobile Vega chip that so happens to be on an Intel CPU then im not gonna be surprised. Idk im speculating lol 

[Matu20]

I need it to be released already

[TheRandomness]

10 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

That answers the question then. The screenshot shown gave no explanation to the sockets that will be used for these CPUs. 

Well, I'm working off of the motherboard where the CPU was shown as a BGA package on a micro-stx motherboard with plenty of VRM phases around it.

[TheRandomness]

Just now, CUDA_Cores said:

that could easily be a prototype, or an FPGA which are typically mounted in BGA packages. 

 

The point is it's a prototype and we don't really know for sure what socket it will be released on. 

 

That being said releasing this CPU for the notebook market would make a ton of sense. But I don't see any of the "U" or "M" branding typically associated with mobile parts from intel in the CPU name. 

 

 

I mean this image. Yeah no, I think it's a BGA part.

[rawrdaysgoby]

47 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Here's the ironic side of this:

 

Won't this cannibalize AMDs sales of any upcoming APUs?

 

I mean I suppose for AMD it doesn't matter because no matter what happens, they're still gonna be making money in the end. But I know if I was a consumer, I would go for the intel CPU with AMD graphics rather than an AMD APU due to their historically lower single-threaded performance. 

Nope this is a dgpu hence it said vegaM graphics,intel 630 graphics

[Crunchy Dragon]

58 minutes ago, JDE said:

 APUs will target the lower end.

The way lower end. They may be Zen-based, but I wouldn't expect them to be much better than last-gen's APUs.

[TheRandomness]

30 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

That is from the recent upcoming intel NUCs, where a BGA CPU would make sense. That doesn't tell us if this particular CPU seen on intels website will be BGA. Remember, intel makes one CPU architecture for many different sockets and they could be doing the same here as well. 

I mean recently though.. Coffee, Kaby, and Skylake were all on 1151. But what particularly gives this away for me is just the naming scheme. It should be something like i7-8800A, A for Accelerated or AMD or Amazing or whatever. The random '9' there just makes it look more like a mobile CPU.

[NumLock21]

VEGA M GH?

VEGA

M = Mobile

G = Graphics

H = HorsePower

VEGA M GH = VEGA Mobile Graphic HorsePower

 

[Nowak]

1 hour ago, JDE said:

I'm pretty sure it's just a subsidiary.

RTG is a subsidiary, yes.

[leadeater]

58 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

That is from the recent upcoming intel NUCs, where a BGA CPU would make sense. That doesn't tell us if this particular CPU seen on intels website will be BGA. Remember, intel makes one CPU architecture for many different sockets and they could be doing the same here as well. 

 

26 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

I mean recently though.. Coffee, Kaby, and Skylake were all on 1151. But what particularly gives this away for me is just the naming scheme. It should be something like i7-8800A, A for Accelerated or AMD or Amazing or whatever. The random '9' there just makes it look more like a mobile CPU.

It would have to go on a new socket and there has been no rumors of new sockets as far as I've heard which would also mean new motherboards, BGA sounds the most likely to me.

[NumLock21]

Tried to look for any official leaked specs through their specification white papers. None found.

 

 

[LienusLateTips]

1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

VEGA M GH?

V = Video

E = Energy

G = Graphics

A = Application

M = Mobile

G = Graphics

H = HorsePower

VEGA M GH = Video Energy Graphics Application Mobile Graphic HorsePower

 

ftfy (not really, but we do need more acronyms so i made one)

[sof006]

So intel is calling it a pGPU. I skimmed the article because I'm semi-working at the moment but does it explain what pGPU stands for?

[Dylanc1500]

5 hours ago, Dang3r D3bbi3 said:

Well if you remember the Radeon Group is a seperate company from AMD....however AMD has a lot of influence over there so now im wondering why they are allowing Intel to use their graphics....

 

5 hours ago, JDE said:

I'm pretty sure it's just a subsidiary.

It's all under AMD, Radeon technologies group is nothing more than a division. It is still part of the main corporation.

[8uhbbhu8]

6 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Now if these VEGA M gpus are good and it's socket type, then I do wish some manufacture can make a cpu socket to PCIe adapter, like those old school days, where it can swap out just the chip instead of the whole video card.

 

Something like this, but PCIe

Oooooo Never seen that before! That looks cool! Want!  Any idea what that came with?

[Nicnac]

So these are gonna be mobile only, right?   Would be interesting to see a desktop version for an ultra sff gaming pc. Also looking forward to Raven Ridge for the same reasons. Those chips could be the real console killers I'd say.