Intel i7-8809G Chip with Radeon Vega Graphics appears on Intel's India Website

[Jito463]

7 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Now if these VEGA M gpus are good and it's socket type, then I do wish some manufacture can make a cpu socket to PCIe adapter, like those old school days, where it can swap out just the chip instead of the whole video card.

 

Something like this, but PCIe

 

46 minutes ago, 8uhbbhu8 said:

Oooooo Never seen that before! That looks cool! Want!  Any idea what that came with?

It's just a Socket 370 to Slot 1 converter card.  I ran into a few of them over the years, though they never took off very well.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_1

 

If you scroll down about 1/3rd of the way on the page, you'll see a picture of it on the right.

[Bananasplit_00]

47 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

So these are gonna be mobile only, right?   Would be interesting to see a desktop version for an ultra sff gaming pc. Also looking forward to Raven Ridge for the same reasons. Those chips could be the real console killers I'd say. 

Well the prototype board we have seen was STX so there is still hope, and the fact that it's listed as "100W target" does not seem too mobile friendly if you ask me

[porina]

16 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

Well the prototype board we have seen was STX so there is still hope, and the fact that it's listed as "100W target" does not seem too mobile friendly if you ask me

You can choose low performance or higher power usage. No getting around that. Every time I fought against the laws of physics, physics won. 100W target should be easy enough for lower cost "gaming" laptops in medium size form factors.

 

I'm more curious what the GPU performance will be. Based on the speculation referred to but not verified by Anandtech, the top model could be comparable in configuration to something between a RX 560 and RX 570. Given the power limitations, I'd be more inclined to think they will run more cores at slightly lower clock to balance performance/watt and it'll be closer to RX 560 performance. So on the positive side, this shouldn't be interesting to miners, unless it comes out very cheap. No danger of that then given Intel.

 

Edit: for illustration, my current gaming laptop in 15" form factor has a 6700HQ (45W TDP) and 970M (75W TDP), so the new chip combo from Intel could compare against that.

[Tataffe]

11 hours ago, Canada EH said:

Why do you say?

Because so many options! I think building a PC, even though current RAM and GPU prices make it expensive, was never as easy and as customizeable as today.

11 hours ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Here's the ironic side of this:

 

Won't this cannibalize AMDs sales of any upcoming APUs?

 

I mean I suppose for AMD it doesn't matter because no matter what happens, they're still gonna be making money in the end. But I know if I was a consumer, I would go for the intel CPU with AMD graphics rather than an AMD APU due to their historically lower single-threaded performance. 

The alternative would likely be Nvidia graphics on the Intel chip, so no, this is probably the best way to go for AMD.

[DocSwag]

11 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Now if these VEGA M gpus are good and it's socket type, then I do wish some manufacture can make a cpu socket to PCIe adapter, like those old school days, where it can swap out just the chip instead of the whole video card.

 

Something like this, but PCIe

Would pcie have enough bandwidth though?

[InertiaSelling]

11 hours ago, CUDA_Cores said:

That being said releasing this CPU for the notebook market would make a ton of sense. But I don't see any of the "U" or "M" branding typically associated with mobile parts from intel in the CPU name. 

I expect this kind of part to be used in mass-produced mid-range SFF computers aimed at mainstream gamers. It would make a ton of sense for OEMs to go after the console market by offering a plug-and-play experience with a decent price-to-performance ratio. Maybe it's just because it reminds me of the scorpio SoC, maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[NumLock21]

50 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Would pcie have enough bandwidth though?

Why not? 

All video cards runs on pcie x16. 

[DocSwag]

12 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Why not? 

All video cards runs on pcie x16. 

You need more than just GPUs. RAM for example needs over 50 GB/s of bandwidth, which even with pcie 4.0 would require over 24 links.

[NumLock21]

34 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

You need more than just GPUs. RAM for example needs over 50 GB/s of bandwidth, which even with pcie 4.0 would require over 24 links.

I was talking about the gpu part only not the cpu part. I see future gpus to be modular, meaning instead of changing the entire card, you can just swapped out the gpu, just like how you would change your cpu on your motherboard. Higher end pcbs with better vrm and power delivery lets you run better gpus, compared to mid-range or entry level ones.

[DocSwag]

10 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

I was talking about the gpu part only not the cpu part. I see future gpus to be modular, meaning instead of changing the entire card, you can just swapped out the gpu, just like how you would change your cpu on your motherboard. Higher end pcbs with better vrm and power delivery lets you run better gpus, compared to mid-range or entry level ones.

Derp I just realized I completely mis understood you. My bad.

 

I thought you were talking about putting a CPU on a pcie device, not a gpu  

[Bananasplit_00]

1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

Derp I just realized I completely mis understood you. My bad.

 

I thought you were talking about putting a CPU on a pcie device, not a gpu  

Well... There is Xeon Phi? that's 70 something atoms that Intel thought it was fun to glue together and sell to researchers and stuff 

11 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

I was talking about the gpu part only not the cpu part. I see future gpus to be modular, meaning instead of changing the entire card, you can just swapped out the gpu, just like how you would change your cpu on your motherboard. Higher end pcbs with better vrm and power delivery lets you run better gpus, compared to mid-range or entry level ones.

While I'd love for this to be the future I highly doubt it, it would in a way be quite limiting, you could only have up to a certain size of the silicon in one socket so there would be a need for multiple sockets, or maybe every generation would need a new board and then you are locked to upgrading within a generation and if the lower end boards don't support the best chips then they have no upgrade path and you might as well have bought a card with the core soldered on. While a lot of fun, I see a LOT of problems... 

[NumLock21]

59 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

Well... There is Xeon Phi? that's 70 something atoms that Intel thought it was fun to glue together and sell to researchers and stuff 

While I'd love for this to be the future I highly doubt it, it would in a way be quite limiting, you could only have up to a certain size of the silicon in one socket so there would be a need for multiple sockets, or maybe every generation would need a new board and then you are locked to upgrading within a generation and if the lower end boards don't support the best chips then they have no upgrade path and you might as well have bought a card with the core soldered on. While a lot of fun, I see a LOT of problems... 

They can apply the cycle for motherboards and cpus. Just look at AMD supporting AM4 up to 2020 or so.

[SomeCallMeJo]

Damn 100W, I was expecting it to be used on ultra portable laptop, oh well. 

 

[NumLock21]

59 minutes ago, SomeCallMeJo said:

Damn 100W, I was expecting it to be used on ultra portable laptop, oh well. 

 

I've read the 100TDP is the OC headroom and the cpus allows for overclocking

[porina]

https://videocardz.com/74631/intel-launches-8th-gen-core-processor-with-radeon-rx-vega-graphics

 

Doesn't seem worth starting a new thread for it, as it'll be official in a day. Videocardz appears to have got hold of and posted the announcement early. In short, up to 24 CUs like earlier rumours. Connected to Intel "8th generation" CPU by PCIe 8x. GPU has 4GB of HMB2. Claim of slightly faster performance than I7-7700HQ with GTX1060 Max-Q.

 

If I remember correctly, the "8th generation" mobile parts are still Kaby Lake, so probably not much difference there other than a minor clock bump. Also the 1060 is a Max-Q version, isn't that design optimised to enable it to function as well as it could given laptop constraints? I'm not that familiar with games used, but I think at least some on the list are the more "AMD GPU friendly" ones.

[FirstArmada]

Half-Secure, the Vega part being that secure half.

[Energycore]

On 1/1/2018 at 7:56 PM, Canada EH said:

Why do you say? [that there are good times ahead in the cpu segment]

Well we finally have quad cores for cheap on both AMD and Intel (even though the i3s still suffer from the lack of entry level motherboards), and they're good quad cores not like the Athlon X4 was. And in general the competition got to Intel and is forcing them to make moves to win us back, which is good for the consumer.

 

On 1/1/2018 at 9:50 PM, leadeater said:

 

It would have to go on a new socket and there has been no rumors of new sockets as far as I've heard which would also mean new motherboards, BGA sounds the most likely to me.

But then why is it listed with the overclockable CPUs? Is it an overclockable BGA mobile chip only? My explanation is that the die, as is rendered, could be then soldered to an LGA 2066 PCB, or LGA 1151 if they manage to magically fit it in. I bet that it does easily fit in the 2066 PCB though.

[leadeater]

39 minutes ago, Energycore said:

But then why is it listed with the overclockable CPUs? Is it an overclockable BGA mobile chip only? My explanation is that the die, as is rendered, could be then soldered to an LGA 2066 PCB, or LGA 1151 if they manage to magically fit it in. I bet that it does easily fit in the 2066 PCB though.

Overclockable just means unlock multi, all of Intel's mobile CPUs are BGA even the overclockable ones. 1151 doesn't have enough pins to give power traces to the GPU and 2066 would have to be very customized, don't see the point, and both are physically under sized. More likely to see this chip in laptops and embedded on motherboards like the Atom ones.

 

Asrock will have a high end option like these, https://www.asrock.com/mb/index.us.asp#Intel CPU

 

Edit:

Argh stupid space in link, include CPU at the end else link wont work.

[Energycore]

Just now, leadeater said:

Overclockable just means unlock multi, all of Intel's mobile CPUs are BGA even the overclockable ones. 1151 doesn't have enough pins to give power traces to the GPU and 2066 would have to be very customized, don't see the point, and both are physically under sized. More likely to see this chip in laptops and embedded on motherboards like the Atom ones.

 

Asrock will have a high end option like these, https://www.asrock.com/mb/index.us.asp#Intel CPU

Interesting. Well I'm hoping we get something like this on the desktop just like AMD plans to make Ryzen + Vega APUs.

[Dang3r D3bbi3]

Hmmmmmmmmm this post was literally two weeks ago and NOW LOOK WHAT HAPPENED!!!!

[Belgarathian]

On 1/2/2018 at 3:16 PM, CUDA_Cores said:

Here's the ironic side of this:

 

Won't this cannibalize AMDs sales of any upcoming APUs?

 

I mean I suppose for AMD it doesn't matter because no matter what happens, they're still gonna be making money in the end. But I know if I was a consumer, I would go for the intel CPU with AMD graphics rather than an AMD APU due to their historically lower single-threaded performance. 

While AMD and Radeon are still technically the same company they run separately so Radeon is free to work with other vendors, and in this case, competitors of AMD.