Intel Core i7 8700K pictured, i3-8350 and i3-8100 specs leaked

[MyName13]

No love for i5 8400?

[themctipers]

celeron - are these still a thing? 2/2.

pentium - 2/4 / 4/4

i3 - 4/4 / 4/8

i5 - 6/8 (lower clockspeed though than i7)

i7 - 6/8 / 8/16

 

[Princess Luna]

7 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

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Is it just me that bothers this "Absolute truth" thing about CPUs that we always have to go "best gaming CPU 7700k" I mean I honestly feel it miss leads a lot of young and new into the tech world to think the difference of gaming performance on a 1800x vs 7700k is a lot bigger than it actually is.

 

We can not ignore the fact people especially international people will love to pick a side in this thing and feel included waving flags of best this best that, any thing but best value apparently, are susceptible to ignore facts and nor even have patience to look numbers but will love to scream "this is better" every where.

 

Personally if I had to buy a CPU today it would be the i7 8700k because it's the best in the market for my style of usage, but I do feel bad for every one who feels cheated getting such a high end Z board pointlessly...

[vanished]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Is it just me that bothers this "Absolute truth" thing about CPUs that we always have to go "best gaming CPU 7700k" I mean I honestly feel it miss leads a lot of young and new into the tech world to think the difference of gaming performance on a 1800x vs 7700k is a lot bigger than it actually is.

 

We can not ignore the fact people especially international people will love to pick a side in this thing and feel included waving flags of best this best that, any thing but best value apparently, are susceptible to ignore facts and nor even have patience to look numbers but will love to scream "this is better" every where.

 

Personally if I had to buy a CPU today it would be the i7 8700k because it's the best in the market for my style of usage, but I do feel bad for every one who feels cheated getting such a high end Z board pointlessly...

Well until there's a repeatable, significant exception to suggest otherwise, it seems that it is an absolute truth

By contrast, while a Ryzen 1600/1600X is often better than an i5, it isn't always better.  The 7700k though is always better than the alternatives from what I can tell

[Ravager911]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Every one should skip these and just buy AMD for a whole generation to force Intel making actual good value offerings on 10nm next year

Intel has unfortunately forgotten that not every customer has an unlimitted amount of money for building their gaming PC.

I hope they find their way back to value oriented products.

[Guest]

> Bought 7600k not too long ago

 

> Feel violated

 

> Cry in corner

[Denis Rakhmanov]

Majority of users use night theme. Why almost noone fixes their posts for it?

[System Error Message]

celeron and pentium lines are confusing as they also apply to intel atom architecture too. However the name appeals to older people who have older laptops with celerons and pentiums who arenat tech heads so i agree that they need to go. Theres no reason to have cut down chips anymore as i imagine yields being so much better that in the case of lower clocks you can just release the U variant. Some mobile chips have i3-i7s that are only above 1Ghz.

 

You dont really need to keep up with the generation of tech unless you really need it. Many still use sandybridge. I myself still use servers from the 1st gen iseries but thats because i can overclock them far for cheap and have 6 cores. Some still game on the core2. No reason to waste money on new tech, the price will come down later (hopefully). I still see haswell being sold at it's RRP.

[FloRolf]

14 hours ago, Mr_Troll said:

4770K @ 4.2Ghz - 1828/8304 (OC on all cores)
7700K @ 4.2Ghz - 2301/9993 (CPU-Z, not sure if ref is OC on all cores)
8700K @ 3.7Ghz - 2323/13980 (6-core/12-Threads)

~500 score differences on ST.

Doesnt look like the biggest improvements on IPC, or any at all.

Wat? 

IPC = Instructions per Clock. 

At 500mhz lower the 8700k performs the same as the 7700k. How can you say there are no IPC improvements? 

[mr moose]

13 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Every one should skip these and just buy AMD for a whole generation to force Intel making actual good value offerings on 10nm next year

 

Why?  7700k is only $30 more than the 1700 here.  Don't see much point in boycotting a company over $30 value when the whole system costs $1700. 

 

EDIT: just checked the prices again, it's changed in one of the shops I frequent, it's actually closer to $40 now.  Even still, you could save $50 and just get the 7700.  Because lets face it, what's 4 FPS on most titles?

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

EDIT: just checked the prices again, it's changed in one of the shops I frequent, it's actually closer to $40 now.  Even still, you could save $50 and just get the 7700.  Because lets face it, what's 4 FPS on most titles?

Something I often told peope even when overclockers get onto me, you can save a lot of funds going h110m + stock cooler + i7 7700... it is close to the same performance but much cheaper allowing to replace the platform when you want... you really don't need more than the i7 7700 for high end gaming any ways...

 

And more and more we see that "future-proof" motherboards on any platform that isn't AMD isn't really a thing any more

[mr moose]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Something I often told peope even when overclockers get onto me, you can save a lot of funds going h110m + stock cooler + i7 7700... it is close to the same performance but much cheaper allowing to replace the platform when you want... you really don't need more than the i7 7700 for high end gaming any ways...

 

And more and more we see that "future-proof" motherboards on any platform that isn't AMD isn't really a thing any more

 

As far as I am concerned future proofing on a PC build has been bollocks for a long time anyway.  Get the best you can afford now becasue when most people are ready to upgrade only the ssd and case will be reusable anyway.

 

[MyName13]

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

As far as I am concerned future proofing on a PC build has been bollocks for a long time anyway.  Get the best you can afford now becasue when most people are ready to upgrade only the ssd and case will be reusable anyway.

 

Not really, I'm sure that any hexa core today will last at least 5 years especially for gaming, don't forget PSU, RAM and monitors, small data storage will be useless since everything is growing very fast and SSDs simply can't keep up. 

Btw h110 and locked i7 always looked far better to me than wasting sh!tload of money on expensive flashy Z boards and water cooling.Future proofing certainly isn't bollocks since most people still use sandy bridge, I don't expect any significant IPC and clock rate advancements.

[mr moose]

7 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Not really, I'm sure that any hexa core today will last at least 5 years especially for gaming, don't forget PSU, RAM and monitors, small data storage will be useless since everything is growing very fast and SSDs simply can't keep up. 

Btw h110 and locked i7 always looked far better to me than wasting sh!tload of money on expensive flashy Z boards and water cooling.Future proofing certainly isn't bollocks since most people still use sandy bridge, I don't expect any significant IPC and clock rate advancements.

I don't know, My ssd is still going strong (vertex3).  It'll probably move to my next build seeing as a new ssd will only offer marginal (if even noticeable) improvement.

 

 

[IntMD]

15 hours ago, themctipers said:

celeron - are these still a thing? 2/2.

pentium - 2/4 / 4/4

i3 - 4/4 / 4/8

i5 - 6/8 (lower clockspeed though than i7)

i7 - 6/8 / 8/16

 

Came here to post pretty much this.

 

Intel, you can thank us both later, when your SKU lines aren't unnecessarily complex 

 

Celeron 2/2

Pentium 2/4

i3 4/4

i5 6/6

i7 6/12

i9 8+/16+

 

[snortingfrogs]

The new Intel line-up maybe.

Pentium 2C/4T
i3 4C/4T 8T
i5 6C/12T
i7 8C/16T
i9 10C/20T+

[Jito463]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

Something I often told peope even when overclockers get onto me, you can save a lot of funds going h110m + stock cooler + i7 7700... it is close to the same performance but much cheaper allowing to replace the platform when you want... you really don't need more than the i7 7700 for high end gaming any ways...

1 hour ago, MyName13 said:

Btw h110 and locked i7 always looked far better to me

 

Except that the chipset only supports 6 PCIe *2.0* lanes, so any interfaces running off the chipset will be slower.  Yes, it still has PCIe 3.0 from the CPU for the video card, but that won't help things like M.2 drives.  An H170/270 - or even B150/250 - would at least up that to PCIe 3.0.  I wouldn't recommend H110 for a gamer unless they were on a strict budget, and then they wouldn't be buying an i7.  Here's a chart showing the differences between the chipsets (and another for the 200 series).

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z270-H270-Q270-Q250-B250---What-is-the-Difference-876/

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Jito463 said:

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Why? m.2 is useless using SATA3 instead never made a difference to me, I'm sorry but I disagree with your view.

[Jito463]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Why? m.2 is useless using SATA3 instead never made a difference to me, I'm sorry but I disagree with your view.

It's not just M.2, I was simply using that as one example.  Any interface running off the chipset will be locked to PCIe 2.0.  A B250 board would be a better choice, in my opinion.  However, you're free to disagree if you so choose.

[MyName13]

42 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

 

Except that the chipset only supports 6 PCIe *2.0* lanes, so any interfaces running off the chipset will be slower.  Yes, it still has PCIe 3.0 from the CPU for the video card, but that won't help things like M.2 drives.  An H170/270 - or even B150/250 - would at least up that to PCIe 3.0.  I wouldn't recommend H110 for a gamer unless they were on a strict budget, and then they wouldn't be buying an i7.  Here's a chart showing the differences between the chipsets (and another for the 200 series).

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z270-H270-Q270-Q250-B250---What-is-the-Difference-876/

What makes you think that every gamer needs pcie lanes for anything other than just a GPU?

[samcool55]

Intel should streamline their line-up. There are too many skews tbh and AMD shows us that a simple and easy to understand line-up is possible these days.

Also the fact that their mobile cpu's are all over the place doesn't help... No idea how AMD will do that but we'll see i guess.

[themctipers]

3 hours ago, IntMD said:

Came here to post pretty much this.

 

Intel, you can thank us both later, when your SKU lines aren't unnecessarily complex 

 

Celeron 2/2

Pentium 2/4

i3 4/4

i5 6/6

i7 6/12

i9 8+/16+

 

I think that i5s should have 12t, just to make manufacturing easier and more 'fight'

[tom_w141]

20 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The 7700k is still the best gaming chip, yes, but that's at 4.8 GHz.  If they drop the 8700k down significantly I could imagine it being beat in many games.

 

That said, this was already "resolved" above - apparently it will actually have an effective base clock of 4.3 GHz with turbos up to the 4.6 - 4.7 GHz range, which means you could probably overclock the whole thing to 4.8 without much difficulty, and in doing so, firmly cement the 8700k as the king of gaming CPUs for another generation.

He was referring to non K models.

7 hours ago, Denis Rakhmanov said:

Minority of users use night theme. Why almost noone fixes their posts for it?

fixed that for you ^. I would the majority use the default which is day theme. If it were the other way around then you would see far more "fix for night theme" than you do. Also wanna read any post? Join the Day theme master race.

[Jito463]

3 hours ago, MyName13 said:

What makes you think that every gamer needs pcie lanes for anything other than just a GPU?

What makes you think they don't need them?  I'm not looking to have an argument, I just disagree that the H110 is the best choice to pair up with an i7 for a gaming system.

[juri-han]

22 hours ago, GatioH said:

I’d rather get a 4/8 over a 6/6 for -$90 (for locked skew)

i3 wont have HT that was confirmed fake and even if it wasn't eh.... i actually see your point for the short term but in the long run it would come back to bite you in the ass  

 

personally i want a gaming CPU its the only thing i use my desktop for anymore but i want to also future proof it so 4 cores is out, ether coffee lake (long as there is no mesh crap) or wait for zen2 i love ryzen and the stable smooth gameplay but i also like 140+ fps