Pentiums cannibalizing i3 sales - Guess what intel does!!

[Dabombinable]

35 minutes ago, Gaming_Groove said:

Yeah after that ordeal I actually recommended that to someone on the forums here who was looking at buying a pre-built. Everyone else in the thread seemed more interested in the pcmr "build it yourself" mentality that they didn't seem to stop and consider how awesome a deal the pre-built was. I'm reminded of Linus's "Best Buy Gaming PC" video. Sometimes you just can't build them that cheap, and that is becoming more and more true by the day. 

With what I've seen in pre-built over here in Australia, and how much it costs to buy one over building a machine yourself/for your friend with better components, pre-built are ripoffs. And this applies for basic desktops all the way up to workstations.

[Dabombinable]

6 minutes ago, themctipers said:

any pentium is faster than my core series laptop

 

core 2 duo to be exact.

Lets be honest here, that's not difficult.

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Lets be honest here, that's not difficult.

a atom CPU is probably faster than this laptop's cpu

[BingoFishy]

4 hours ago, Not_Sean said:

hahaha you need to think more like intel.. 

 

G4690X on X299 platform and it only enables 2 ram slots, 1 PCIe and 2 Sata ports because Fu thats why. 

but wait.

 

with the $50 dlc you can have 4 ram slots!

and for $100 you can 2 PCIe ports!

and if you pay $300 you have have 6 sata ports!

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

Just now, themctipers said:

a atom CPU is probably faster than this laptop's cpu

You mean slower, right?

[Dabombinable]

Just now, themctipers said:

a atom CPU is probably faster than this laptop's cpu

I wouldn't go that far. Intel Atom are still shit.

[themctipers]

2 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

You mean slower, right?

at least it can run windows 10 without shitting itself while trying to run file explorer

 

3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I wouldn't go that far. Intel Atom are still shit.

it has a clockspeed, cache, iGPU and architectural advantage

[Arika]

i find it amusing how most people in this thread are "fuck intel im getting a ryzen next time" yet they most likely dont have i3s or Pentium Gwhatevers so it literally has no effect ton them

[Dabombinable]

Just now, themctipers said:

at least it can run windows 10 without shitting itself while trying to run file explorer

 

it has a clockspeed, cache, iGPU and architectural advantage

The architecture is shit though, negating the clock speed and cache advantages....

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

The architecture is shit though, negating the clock speed and cache advantages....

2006 core vs 2017 kaby lake,

it has 2 extra cores.

[BingoFishy]

Just now, Sierra Fox said:

i find it amusing how most people in this thread are "fuck intel im getting a ryzen next time" yet they most likely dont have i3s or Pentium Gwhatevers so it literally has no effect ton them

If you already had an i3 or Pentium Gwhatever then this wouldn't affect them either. This only affects new PCs being built in the future, budget ones in particular. The G4560 is basically the best budget CPU out right now, and now it's getting even harder to buy.

[Grinners]

I don't understand why Intel would scale down its production rather than just raise its price by $10.

 

 

[kaiju_wars]

4 minutes ago, Grinners said:

I don't understand why Intel would scale down its production rather than just raise its price by $10.

 

 

I think it would have been better for Intel to lower the price of the 7100 by $10 instead.  It's already at $117, and at $107 it would be an easier pill to swallow.  Intel also has the money in the bank to lower prices exponentially, while AMD doesn't.  Basically, Intel could have done something to better secure the i3/Ryzen 3 range better instead, before Ryzen 3 actually drops.  

 

[ATFink]

6 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

That's why I said if they don't change their ways. Clearly they are in a position to easily recover right now, but the longer they delay a proper response to AMD the worse off they will be.

[Energycore]

9 hours ago, Alaradia said:

kinda makes sense since some crypto miners are run off those chips 

No sense to run a mining rig on a G4560. You don't need CPU power, you can run 8 GPUs on a Celeron G1820

[Gaming_Groove]

1 hour ago, Dabombinable said:

With what I've seen in pre-built over here in Australia, and how much it costs to buy one over building a machine yourself/for your friend with better components, pre-built are ripoffs. And this applies for basic desktops all the way up to workstations.

The topic creator from the thread in question was trying to decide between the two PCs below

 

Core i5-6400

8GB DDR4 2133

1TB HDD

GTX 1070

Open Box from Newegg for $800 US (now out of stock)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883221298R

 

Or this refurbished one from Amazon with a GTX 970 for $600 US

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3JWFF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AT5ZWRAJ36F48&psc=1&tag=linus21-20

 

Sure, you take chances with it open box and refurbished PCs. The last 3 laptops I've bought were refurbished or open box from Newegg and have lasted me over 5 years.

 

I can't speak for the Australian market, but these are killer deals in the US. Don't get me wrong, I love doing custom builds, but you literally cannot build them that cheap with Windows included here in the US. I think it is pretty narrow-minded that people in the thread advised the topic creator to build a custom Ryzen system when the cheapest 1070 you can find on PCPartPicker is almost $500 US right now.

[Not_Sean]

1 hour ago, BingoFishy said:

but wait.

 

with the $50 dlc you can have 4 ram slots!

and for $100 you can 2 PCIe ports!

and if you pay $300 you have have 6 sata ports!

hahah when they do the announcement they can also announce the Intel & EA Games Merger. That would completely explain their marketing. Also they can announce Intel ix K edition, which comes at 3.2Ghz but with the Day One DLC you can Unlock all the way to 3.6Ghz and if you buy the Season pass you'll get all the way up to 4.0Ghz but also no Warranty 

[Mooshi]

Is Intel even trying..? Fine by me, AMD is my new bestie ❤️

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

50 minutes ago, Energycore said:

No sense to run a mining rig on a G4560. You don't need CPU power, you can run 8 GPUs on a Celeron G1820

it does if its the cheapest cpu in stock which it was for a bit 

[Energycore]

Just now, Alaradia said:

it does if its the cheapest cpu in stock which it was for a bit 

Fair enough. It's amazing to think even haswell celerons went out of stock because of the ether rush

[Syntaxvgm]

9 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

"License to have power not parts"?

 

"4D3D3D3"?

 

Plesse clarify.    I'm confused.  

Well it seems that the cost is certainly set by what kind of performance the customer gets and not how much it costs to produce/volume they can produce. They're crippling production of a low end high yield product because it sells to well. 

 

And kicking up the 4D3D3D3 makes the Celery Man sequence sexier. 

[AnonymousGuy]

1 hour ago, kaiju_wars said:

I think it would have been better for Intel to lower the price of the 7100 by $10 instead.  It's already at $117, and at $107 it would be an easier pill to swallow.  Intel also has the money in the bank to lower prices exponentially, while AMD doesn't.  Basically, Intel could have done something to better secure the i3/Ryzen 3 range better instead, before Ryzen 3 actually drops.  

 

Intel has whole teams dedicated to doing the math.  They know they'll get more upsells than they'll lose by killing this SKU off.

 

Come to think of it, what is probably happening is that demand for higher end Kaby Lake SKUs is too high and the yields are too good, so there just isn't enough allocation for Pentiums.  You don't want to be burning fully functional 2+2 parts that would work as an i3 as Pentiums to sell cheaper.

[VerticalDiscussions]

9 hours ago, Trixanity said:

-snip-

But its true...

[Prysin]

3 hours ago, Mooshi said:

Is Intel even trying..? Fine by me, AMD is my new bestie ❤️

they are trying to become the underdog. Cuz AMD looked so cool as the underdog... intel doesnt want to be seen as the badguy

[tom_w141]

Lmao the G4560 was Intel's last dying light in the budget sector. Congrats after R3's launch the cpu choice will be this:

 

Budget? R3

Mid Range? R5

High End (Mainstream)? i7/R7 (Dependant on primary use case)

 

The 1st two sell way more units than the last one. GG tying your own noose Intel.