7700k vs 1800X at 4k with 1080 TI SLI.

[TheNaitsyrk]

Hiho just seen the benchmarks for 1800x and they're pretty good but I expected a little more out of it in terms of gaming. I play a lot but I do my University work (Game development e.g. Unity, Unreal Engine etc.) And I don't know which to pick.

 

I am planning to buy 2x 1080 TI. Buying 7700k would help me get the 2nd 1080 TI a little bit more as I save £300. 

 

I play at 4k therefore frames might be similar if not same as GPU bottleneck is inevitable. 

 

I pre-ordered 1800X and I can still cancel this order as it wasn't shipped yet. Opinions?

[Mohenjo]

if your at 4k, buy the cheaper 7700k and get another gpu. 

[knightslugger]

3 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Hiho just seen the benchmarks for 1800x and they're pretty good but I expected a little more out of it in terms of gaming. I play a lot but I do my University work (Game development e.g. Unity, Unreal Engine etc.) And I don't know which to pick.

 

I am planning to buy 2x 1080 TI. Buying 7700k would help me get the 2nd 1080 TI a little bit more as I save £300. 

 

I play at 4k therefore frames might be similar if not same as GPU bottleneck is inevitable. 

 

I pre-ordered 1800X and I can still cancel this order as it wasn't shipped yet. Opinions?

R7's are made for heavy multi-core use. if it's strictly gaming stay with the Sky Lakes and Kaby Lakes if budget is a thing for you.

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, Mohenjo said:

if your at 4k, buy the cheaper 7700k and get another gpu. 

I sold my 6800K alone for £320 so I still did alright. Buying 7700k will guarantee me getting 2x 1080 TI. I have 1000W power supply also.

[EPPHO]

4 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Hiho just seen the benchmarks for 1800x and they're pretty good but I expected a little more out of it in terms of gaming. I play a lot but I do my University work (Game development e.g. Unity, Unreal Engine etc.) And I don't know which to pick.

 

I am planning to buy 2x 1080 TI. Buying 7700k would help me get the 2nd 1080 TI a little bit more as I save £300. 

 

I play at 4k therefore frames might be similar if not same as GPU bottleneck is inevitable. 

 

I pre-ordered 1800X and I can still cancel this order as it wasn't shipped yet. Opinions?

At 4K Ryzen all the way.

[TVwazhere]

At 4k, benchmarks have shown that the CPU's can keep up with the GPU's because theyre so taxed. At lower resolutions the 7700k wins because of higher IPC's. 

 

Though I dont know if anyone has done 1080 ti SLI testing benchmarks. It's unknown how much they would affect performance, but I would imagine the 7700k would do better since it has a higher IPC and the same amount of PCI e lanes, so that wouldnt be a factor unlike the x99 platform. 

[done12many2]

3 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

I sold my 6800K alone for £320 so I still did alright. Buying 7700k will guarantee me getting 2x 1080 TI. I have 1000W power supply also.

 

I canceled my 1800x.  I was considering replacing my 5960x with it, but it just didn't make the cut after the reviews released.  For gaming, definitely go with the 7700k.

[TheNaitsyrk]

15 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I canceled my 1800x.  I was considering replacing my 5960x with it, but it just didn't make the cut after the reviews released.  For gaming, definitely go with the 7700k.

I might also avoid RAM issues. I have 3 sticks 16GB each of 3200Mhz RAM.

[dexT]

9 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I canceled my 1800x.  I was considering replacing my 5960x with it, but it just didn't make the cut after the reviews released.  For gaming, definitely go with the 7700k.

I'm holding off. Clock ceiling seems pretty low.

[TheNaitsyrk]

4 minutes ago, dexT said:

I'm holding off. Clock ceiling seems pretty low.

It doesn't overclock past 4.2Ghz (And that's if it's a very good chip!). I cancelled my order as well. I'm getting 7700K with best Z270 mobo possible. I will not wait for Ryzen 5 or 3 as I don't think they'll outperform 7700K to be honest.

[dexT]

2 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

It doesn't overclock past 4.2Ghz (And that's if it's a very good chip!). I cancelled my order as well. I'm getting 7700K with best Z270 mobo possible. I will not wait for Ryzen 5 or 3 as I don't think they'll outperform 7700K to be honest.

Yeah I'm going to check out X299 probably. With at least a 7350K to mess with until then.

[done12many2]

Just now, TheNaitsyrk said:

It doesn't overclock past 4.2Ghz (And that's if it's a very good chip!). I cancelled my order as well. I'm getting 7700K with best Z270 mobo possible. I will not wait for Ryzen 5 or 3 as I don't think they'll outperform 7700K to be honest.

 

There's no reason to believe that they would.  The only way they could possibly beat the 7700k is if they were to overclock higher than the 7700k, which is very unlikely given what we've seen already.  Grant it, I wouldn't expect the 8 core to clock as high as the 4 core, but we're not going to see anything like 500 MHz more out of the 4 core based on the same tech.

 

8 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

I might also avoid RAM issues. I have 3 sticks 16GB each of 3200Mhz RAM.

 

Have you seen the memory latency?  It's hideous.  Around 4 times higher than z170/z270.  It does provide more bandwidth, but as I observed with x99, bandwidth in abundance only matters so much.  By the way, even x99 with way more bandwidth than Ryzen memory when run in quad channel, still has lower latency.

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

There's no reason to believe that they would.  The only way they could possibly beat the 7700k is if they were to overclock higher than the 7700k, which is very unlikely given what we've seen already.  Grant it, I wouldn't expect the 8 core to clock as high as the 4 core, but we're not going to see anything like 500 MHz more out of the 4 core based on the same tech.

 

 

Have you seen the memory latency?  It's hideous.  Around 4 times higher than z170/z270.  It does provide more bandwidth, but as I observed with x99, bandwidth in abundance only matters so much.  By the way, even x99 with way more bandwidth than Ryzen memory when run in quad channel, still has lower latency.

I'll go with 7700k as I don't mind waiting few extra minutes to export a video or things such as. At least I will get best possible GPU power possible with 1080 TI in about a week and a half time when I can buy it.

[Demorthus]

On 3/2/2017 at 0:18 PM, TheNaitsyrk said:

I'll go with 7700k as I don't mind waiting few extra minutes to export a video or things such as. At least I will get best possible GPU power possible with 1080 TI in about a week and a half time when I can buy it.

Um, incorrect. Because the Zen architecture is still new, it means that within a short span of time game developers will improve the perf you get with it. Sacrificing 4c/8t because you suspect it'll give you better gaming perf is quite flawed and hesitant to assume right now. I have a 4770k & I plan on upgrading to the 1700x + 1080Ti SLI. I value both gaming and productivity. Quite frankly my 4770k sucks ass and I'm tired of Intel, like seriously- I can't have Photoshop (w/ bunch of layers), VLC or other media, and games running at the same time without it slowing to a halt and just chugging- that's a shitty experience and will be the same if you're a heavy heavy multi-tasker.. That 7700k will behave the same, a higher clock speed and insignificant IPC improvement isn't going to help you, I run my 4770k @4.7Ghz on all cores, and I'm recommending you either give this all some time or go with the 1800x/1700x as the most logical choice.

 

All complaints against Ryzen aren't fully warranted given its' infancy- literally. However right now I can speak from personal experience the smarter choice is the 1800x/1700x if you actually want an upgrade in performance both in games and ESPECIALLY in multitasking + editing/rendering.

 

Otherwise, you're unfortunately victim to being an Intel fanboy if you're not taking both $/value/perf into consideration and just blindly going with what the mainstream (uneducated mind you-) kiddos say. If I sound harsh I'm sorry, but it's just me strictly speaking to you as someone that actually cares on how you stand to benefit on your next CPU upgrade since I myself and going for 2x 1080Tis. 

[dfg666]

Why are people still recommending Intel garbage.

 

http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/4/

 

[scottyseng]

1 hour ago, dfg666 said:

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Results seem different from the ones LTT got?

 

 

[Hiebly]

I'd go Ryzen (but I'd get 1700X over 1800X to save some dough). Playing at 4K you're going to be nowhere near the CPU's limits since framerates aren't going to be as high as if you were playing at 1080P, so IMO it makes more sense to get a better all-round CPU that will age better. Like the 7700K can provide maybe ~20% higher FPS in a lot of games at really high framerates where the CPU becomes a bottleneck... but at 4K that just will almost never happen.

[mapegl]

3 hours ago, Hiebly said:

I'd go Ryzen (but I'd get 1700X over 1800X to save some dough). Playing at 4K you're going to be nowhere near the CPU's limits since framerates aren't going to be as high as if you were playing at 1080P, so IMO it makes more sense to get a better all-round CPU that will age better. Like the 7700K can provide maybe ~20% higher FPS in a lot of games at really high framerates where the CPU becomes a bottleneck... but at 4K that just will almost never happen.

I am actually planning on getting the R7 1700 (non X) over the 7700k. You can overclock most of them about 100Mhz lower than you can OC a 1700X and save quite a bit of money. 

 

IMO the 1700 is the real value proposition in the line-up, but I mean IF you can afford it, go with the higher-end chip. It is being said that AMD are choosing the chips according to quality and thus it is unlikely that you will get a 1700 that overclocks as high a 1700X or 1800X, however all chips are usually between 3.9 (most 1700s around 3.8) and 4.1 maximum OC anyways, so fairly close.

 

[Paragon_X]

for 4K Ryzen is a no brainer. The minimums are more consistent than the 7700K. The eteknix review of the 1080ti with ryzen shows much better results than the initial results around the web.


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[TheNaitsyrk]

I bought back 6800k. Not gonna wait for optimisations and weird thermals. 60 degrees on idle? No thank you. 80 to 90 degrees max temp? No thank you. Overclocking is a nightmare? No thank you. Waiting is not my thing. I waited long enough.

6 hours ago, Demorthus said:

Um, incorrect. Because the Zen architecture is still new, it means that within a short span of time game developers will improve the perf you get with it. Sacrificing 4c/8t because you suspect it'll give you better gaming perf is quite flawed and hesitant to assume right now. I have a 4770k & I plan on upgrading to the 1700x + 1080Ti SLI. I value both gaming and productivity. Quite frankly my 4770k sucks ass and I'm tired of Intel, like seriously- I can't have Photoshop (w/ bunch of layers), VLC or other media, and games running at the same time without it slowing to a halt and just chugging- that's a shitty experience and will be the same if you're a heavy heavy multi-tasker.. That 7700k will behave the same, a higher clock speed and insignificant IPC improvement isn't going to help you, I run my 4770k @4.7Ghz on all cores, and I'm recommending you either give this all some time or go with the 1800x/1700x as the most logical choice.

 

All complaints against Ryzen aren't fully warranted given its' infancy- literally. However right now I can speak from personal experience the smarter choice is the 1800x/1700x if you actually want an upgrade in performance both in games and ESPECIALLY in multitasking + editing/rendering.

 

Otherwise, you're unfortunately victim to being an Intel fanboy if you're not taking both $/value/perf into consideration and just blindly going with what the mainstream (uneducated mind you-) kiddos say. If I sound harsh I'm sorry, but it's just me strictly speaking to you as someone that actually cares on how you stand to benefit on your next CPU upgrade since I myself and going for 2x 1080Tis. 

Great, then stop complaining and buy Ryzen. Good luck with SLI, gonna be very useful only if you have at least 100hz 4k display. 1x is more than enough, and some games don't even scale well. I myself had SLI and some games didn't even use the 2nd GPU. I'm changed my mind and I'll be going with only 1x 1080 TI, pointless money wasting with SLI. I had 4790k and I never complained, you must be one unique touchy snowflake. (I'd still have it, but I had resources to upgrade so I did, because I could).

 

 

I managed to get my 6800K to 4.5Ghz which gives me around 1400 in multi core, and I'm happy with it. No issues with RAM and other things, and since Intel dropped prices I managed to buy it back for less (£270 only) and I already had high end Asus Rampage V Extreme so I'm fine.

 

350 less multi score for £230 less? I am most definitely okay with that.

 

Thanks for contributions.

[scottyseng]

1 hour ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

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Curious, what's your single core and CPU voltage? That's a pretty good overclock. I'm sure that CPU will be great for you especially at that price.

 

(I wish I had a 4790K...)

[TheNaitsyrk]

3 hours ago, scottyseng said:

Curious, what's your single core and CPU voltage? That's a pretty good overclock. I'm sure that CPU will be great for you especially at that price.

 

(I wish I had a 4790K...)

Around 180. It's a very respectable single core performance, plus I'm getting very respectable multi core performance as well. My second rig is getting 4770k tho, so it's not gonna be terrible.

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Around 180. It's a very respectable single core performance, plus I'm getting very respectable multi core performance as well. My second rig is getting 4770k tho, so it's not gonna be terrible.

 

Look into setting up a per core overclock.  It works great on my 5960x and is something completely underutilized by the OC community as a whole.

 

Per core will allow you to increase clock speeds on fewer cores during load conditions that only take advantage of a few cores without having to sacrifice multi-threaded performance.  Long story short, higher single-threaded performance with the same multi-threaded performance that you have now. 

[BandarXCII]

On 3/10/2017 at 11:06 AM, Paragon_X said:

for 4K Ryzen is a no brainer. The minimums are more consistent than the 7700K. The eteknix review of the 1080ti with ryzen shows much better results than the initial results around the web.


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What about 3440x1440 Ultrawides? I have an Ultrawide and I'm wondering if I should get the 7700K or Ryzen for 1080 Ti.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Isn't the Unreal Engine superbly multi-core if programmed that way?

I can't remember it fully but this week I read somewhere about UE4 being great for Multi-Core CPU's.. (Prob marketing tho)