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AMD Ryzen has issues with high frequency RAM! - Fix will come in 1-2 months

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10 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Kinda true and not true where it doesn't really in gaming but in other tasks, possibly...(such as Winrar) 

It matters for gaming lol.  Anything that's CPU intensive will see an improvement from faster RAM.

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Do we really trust ASUS on this one?

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1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

I honestly think this matter more than it's being given credit: Forgetting gaming the launch chips are supposed to compete with high end intel rigs and I would imagine that workstation type loads do response favorably to more ram speed.

This is where I wish we still had ALI, SIS and VIA in the chipset business. Because AMD still can't get them quite right (comparing the IMC of Vishera and 2 different K10 revisions with P45 and Arrandale-I don't know what they hell they've been doing, but the performance is not what it should be at all).

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Meh this is to be expected. X99 had issues at launch as well...

 

They real concern how fast will AMD and the mainboard manufacturers adress these issues?

 

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13 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Who makes new builds with only two slots occupied anyway? Its unacceptable even if it allows 3200+Mhz. This alone justifies the extra $500+ for the i7-6900K. 

I'll be building mine with 2x8gb.  That way I can upgrade the ram if 16gb becomes not enough.

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Surely a problem for those who want 64GB of RAM. Much smaller problem for 32GB and less. 

 

If this is the only problem with ryzen then I say they did well.

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12 hours ago, WereCat said:

Of course not.

But it is not such a big deal as you make it seem by mocking people that pre-ordered it.

people who pre order should be mocked......end of

7 hours ago, Curious Pineapple said:

Yeh but that's Intel, we just gloss over that one.

this is a major launch that was not thats y people care more about this.......

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7 minutes ago, Tarzan said:

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And thats why you have 70,150 and 250$ motherboards. People expecting every tier to be the same are just delusional. 

Skylake is also the same regarding this, many cant run their ram at spec so you see 3200 mhz ram only being able to run at 2400-2100 mhz. 

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So fast mem requires a board that supports it. 

 

Well that sounds oddly familiar to intel. 

 

 

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I was planning on going with a 2x8GB kit of Trident RGB 3000 RAM anyway, so I guess this isn't really an issue for me. 

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The Asus ROG Crosshair VI motherboard does NOT have this problem at all, The fix will NOT take 1 to 2 months. It can be done in 1 to 2 weeks with a competent programming staff. it is not an AMD problem it is the issue of each individual motherboard manufacturer to implement a stable bios. The headline screams of hype and is illegitimate in my view.

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2 hours ago, jaggysnake57 said:

people who pre order should be mocked......end of

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Depends.

If you pre-order digital goods you can't return then yea....

If you pre-order a physical thing which you can return (at least according to law, in my country I can return things within 14-days) then why should I care if there are issues or not? Besides, you don't have to pay in advance.

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7 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Depends.

If you pre-order digital goods you can't return then yea....

If you pre-order a physical thing which you can return (at least according to law, in my country I can return things within 14-days) then why should I care if there are issues or not? Besides, you don't have to pay in advance.

no it doesnt.......pre ordering anythng is stupid.....buying something based on hype alone is stupid

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Just now, jaggysnake57 said:

no it doesnt.......pre ordering anythng is stupid.....buying something based on hype alone is stupid

If you want to find out for yourself before reviews, no.

If you know the risks, but you also know that if there is an issue you can just return it, no.

If you are buying just because of hype, sure, I agree there.

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11 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

It matters for gaming lol.  Anything that's CPU intensive will see an improvement from faster RAM.

That is not a true statement. You can have CPU intensive programs with little I/O.

It is rather that many programs are  I/O bound instead of than CPU bound.

Please avoid feeding the argumentative narcissistic academic monkey.

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10 hours ago, Darth Revan said:

Do we really trust ASUS on this one?

Do we really trust the manufacturer with arguably the best engineers when it comes to memory trace topology and the best automatic timing training to ever exist, when it comes to a memory issue? I'd say yes, we trust them more than any other manufacturer when it comes to this specific issue. 

 

3 minutes ago, Tomsen said:

That is not a true statement. You can have CPU intensive programs with little I/O.

It is rather that many programs are  I/O bound instead of than CPU bound.

I am going to assume you meant the second part of his statement, where he said "Anything that's CPU intensive will see an improvement from faster RAM". His first part is very true, lol. 

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3 minutes ago, MageTank said:

I am going to assume you meant the second part of his statement, where he said "Anything that's CPU intensive will see an improvement from faster RAM". His first part is very true, lol. 

It really applies to both. Not that it has to be contradictory with his first statement. 

Please avoid feeding the argumentative narcissistic academic monkey.

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21 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

I get faster due to it being the same price

^^^ This. Sometimes there are just a few dollars in between DDR4-2133 and DDR4-3200 or so. It doesn't have to matter all the time for that to be worthwhile.

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Just now, Tomsen said:

It really applies to both. Not that it has to be contradictory with his first statement. 

Well, his statement about faster memory helping with gaming isn't false. Any time CPU overhead is holding the GPU back, faster memory will show an improvement. This has been known for a few years now. 

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On 1/2/2017 at 9:32 PM, MageTank said:

Sometimes, we all need a little inspiration.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, MageTank said:

Well, his statement about faster memory helping with gaming isn't false. Any time CPU overhead is holding the GPU back, faster memory will show an improvement. This has been known for a few years now. 

Well, it isn't absolute truth either, it depends on the exact scenario. Any time CPU overhead (and to precise, it has to be I/O overhead) is holding the GPU back, faster memory will show an improvement. If you are CPU bound, faster memory wont do anything. This has being known for decades now.

Please avoid feeding the argumentative narcissistic academic monkey.

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7 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Well, his statement about faster memory helping with gaming isn't false. Any time CPU overhead is holding the GPU back, faster memory will show an improvement. This has been known for a few years now. 

But Linus said...

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Just now, Tomsen said:

Well, it isn't absolute truth either, it depends on the exact scenario. Any time CPU overhead (and to precise, it has to be I/O overhead) is holding the GPU back, faster memory will show an improvement. If you are CPU bound, faster memory wont do anything. This has being known for decades now.

You are nitpicking. In the context of gaming, CPU overhead is I/O overhead. You can easily test any game you wish, that has the CPU holding the GPU back. Even MMO's show drastic improvements with faster memory, and they are notoriously "CPU bound". 

 

No need to be bashful against a simple point. Depending on ones setup, and the specific application involved, faster memory can be a serious boon. I can name several titles that can see even a 20% boost in minimum framerates from faster memory alone depending on ones setup. 

My (incomplete) memory overclocking guide: 

 

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On 1/2/2017 at 9:32 PM, MageTank said:

Sometimes, we all need a little inspiration.

 

 

 

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