UPDATED G2A has flaw in their system pointed out to them, promptly "bans" user after issue is pointed out.

[Nexxus]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Ok so how many of you denounce G2A and Kinguin and all others for their "stolen" keys? 

 

And now how many of you have actually paid, honest, full retail money for a Windows key in the last couple of years? 

 

*sees all hands drop*

 

I thought as much. Grey area stores exists because hardware prices are far more accessible than the ability from people to afford the prices Microsoft asks for and don't even start with specialized software it gets much worst fast. 

 

I have, I bought multiple windows 8 keys, bought windows 7 key, bought windows xp key.

[Bouzoo]

5 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Snip

You mean this? 

 

[Murdoch]

17 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Why are you apologizing for staying within the topic? When laws and politics are able to affect something that is being discussed, then healthy discussion of the policies and laws are also on the table. 

 

If someone thinks otherwise, and vocally expresses such opinions, they are simply trying to censor you through silencing you 

Indeed, that was completely relevant to the topic at hand.

 

But my thoughts on the actual topic... why are people surprised that a grey market game seller, acts dodgy. It is by definition, dodgy.

 

That's part of the gamble you take when you knowingly buy something from the grey market. The trade off being... if it all goes smooth, it's much much cheaper.

 

I've bought a number of things from G2A, never had any issues.

[Thony]

I dont buy from G2A anymore... Im someone who either bytes the bullet amd pays for the game full price or wait for discount month or two after release.

[DocSwag]

Dang, they got really downvoted in that whole AMA  

[Nexxus]

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Dang, they got really downvoted in that whole AMA  

They did its hilarious 

[Nexxus]

10 minutes ago, Murdoch said:

Indeed, that was completely relevant to the topic at hand.

 

But my thoughts on the actual topic... why are people surprised that a grey market game seller, acts dodgy. It is by definition, dodgy.

 

That's part of the gamble you take when you knowingly buy something from the grey market. The trade off being... if it all goes smooth, it's much much cheaper.

 

I've bought a number of things from G2A, never had any issues.

 

 

"Something that has stuck with me:

One thing to remember is that even if you receive a working key from a reseller, this doesn't necessarily make them "legit". It's a bit like claiming that winning at Russian Roulette makes it a "safe game". When working with resellers there's always the chance of getting a bad key, or having a game later revoked from your account. And for many people it's a hard lesson learned."

[Misanthrope]

No, my argument is not pirate things or lets bankrupt MS. 

 

You're of course all completely ignoring the last part of the argument: hardware prices have gone down dramatically at the consumer level. In the 80s it was 2000 or 3000 for a PC not even adjusting for inflation. 

 

There needs to be an entry level alternative for OS. That is what the market is telling us with this Grey stores. So far Linux has failed miserably since their design goals are too tied to philosophy and other shit. 

 

MS at least diagnosed the issue, but their response with the started edition was needlessly neutered to incite people to upgrade instead of offering a basic functional product without silly restrictions like no wallpapers. 

[Murdoch]

3 minutes ago, Nexxus said:

"Something that has stuck with me:

One thing to remember is that even if you receive a working key from a reseller, this doesn't necessarily make them "legit". It's a bit like claiming that winning at Russian Roulette makes it a "safe game". When working with resellers there's always the chance of getting a bad key, or having a game later revoked from your account. And for many people it's a hard lesson learned."

I think many people must be using the site thinking it's legit. My advice to those people... If you want customer service, and for any problems that arise to be resolved. You should pay more and buy retail.

 

I've always went into G2A knowing that if I get a bad key, I'd have to make a claim via Paypal, and not be guaranteed to get my money back.

[goodtofufriday]

10 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

-snip-

No there doesn't.  Nearly every pc comes with an OS pre-installed.  And the cost of that is expected to be in the final purchase price by 99% of the user base. And that bundled OS is almost always subsidized. The only time its really not is with botique builders. 

 

Games are a luxury. The price doesnt need to go down. But ignoring that game prices habe stood more or less the same for 20 years. After adjusting for inflation; games are cheaper now than ever before. 

[XenosTech]

47 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Ok so how many of you denounce G2A and Kinguin and all others for their "stolen" keys? 

 

And now how many of you have actually paid honest, full retail money for a Windows key in the last couple of years? 

 

*sees all hands drop*

 

I thought as much. Grey area stores exists because hardware prices are far more accessible than the ability from people to afford the prices Microsoft asks for and don't even start with specialized software it gets much worst fast. 

I've never had to buy windows in the last 5 years because college and university lol we had portal that allowed up to get software for free from microsoft (or the school shelled out a lot of money for us to get legit versions of software to setup test labs at home or at school)

[Guest Kloaked]

45 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

And now how many of you have actually paid honest, full retail money for a Windows key in the last couple of years? 

I've bought three of them from Amazon for different machines this last year.

 

Microsoft could do well to bring down the price of Windows 10 Home Edition, sure. But it doesn't make it right to buy from grey market sellers.

[79wjd]

50 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Ok so how many of you denounce G2A and Kinguin and all others for their "stolen" keys? 

 

And now how many of you have actually paid honest, full retail money for a Windows key in the last couple of years? 

 

*sees all hands drop*

 

I thought as much. Grey area stores exists because hardware prices are far more accessible than the ability from people to afford the prices Microsoft asks for and don't even start with specialized software it gets much worst fast. 

Piracy is better than g2a/others. With that said, if someone is willing to use g2a knowing the background/risks, then I don't really have a problem suggesting it. 

 

P.s. I've paid significantly more than retail for all my copies of Windows. Yay Dreamspark! (Sorry, "imagination" or whatever dumbass name Microsoft is using now)

[Guest Kloaked]

8 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Piracy is better than g2a/others. With that said, if someone is willing to use g2a knowing the background/risks, then I don't really have a problem suggesting it. 

 

P.s. I've paid significantly more than retail for all my copies of Windows. Yay Dreamspark! (Sorry, "imagination" or whatever dumbass name Microsoft is using now)

Microsoft Imagine.

 

They're just as bad as Google with their names.

[NumLock21]

Until people have the moral that buying from those site is wrong. There will still continue to operate because there are many out there who don't give a damn about where they got it from. A game cost $60 and you got it for $10 and its not from a steam sale, then you're also the problem along with g2a or any similar sites out there. 

Boycotting won't do anything. Need to contact the proper authorities for anything to be done about it. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

Most people don't buy Windows anyway. They buy a computer that comes with Windows. The only people getting the shaft because they have to buy Windows are system builders like a lot of us.

[Misanthrope]

22 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

No there doesn't.  Nearly every pc comes with an OS pre-installed.  And the cost of that is expected to be in the final purchase price by 99% of the user base. And that bundled OS is almost always subsidized. The only time its really not is with botique builders. 

 

Games are a luxury. The price doesnt need to go down. But ignoring that game prices habe stood more or less the same for 20 years. After adjusting for inflation; games are cheaper now than ever before. 

The cost of the OS is subsidized. My point is that it shouldn't be, it should be a different, more basic version of the OS. 

 

Microsoft already acknowledges this with a home and a pro version, it's just that the price needs to be adjusted further with an even lower tier like the one I quoted. 

 

So far MS was OK with their patchwork solution but as custom pcs become more popular and prebuild systems become more scarce, they need to adjust. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

7 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

So far MS was OK with their patchwork solution but as custom pcs become more popular and prebuild systems become more scarce, they need to adjust. 

Laptops still kill the desktop market in terms of sales and among the PC gamers I know, I've only found a handful that have built their own PC and the ones that haven't seem to have no intention of going that route.

 

Not to mention, businesses are Microsoft's major customer. Businesses don't like custom built PCs.

[Misanthrope]

5 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Laptops still kill the desktop market in terms of sales and among the PC gamers I know, I've only found a handful that have built their own PC and the ones that haven't seem to have no intention of going that route.

 

Not to mention, businesses are Microsoft's major customer. Businesses don't like custom built PCs.

Looking at the 460 and 1050 laptops this is plausible yes. However an in between SKU would discourage grey markets a fare bit though, specially in developing countries where piracy is already option 1 and grey area keys 2nd.

[XenosTech]

8 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Businesses don't like custom built PCs.

That depends on the business itself.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

That depends on the business itself.

True, but once you have some form of IT, it would be in their best interest to make everything more or less the same.

[Derangel]

1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

Ok so how many of you denounce G2A and Kinguin and all others for their "stolen" keys? 

 

And now how many of you have actually paid honest, full retail money for a Windows key in the last couple of years? 

 

*sees all hands drop*

 

I thought as much. Grey area stores exists because hardware prices are far more accessible than the ability from people to afford the prices Microsoft asks for and don't even start with specialized software it gets much worst fast. 

2014 for me. I haven't needed to buy Windows key since that time though. 8.1 went with my through a couple motherboards then I got the free update to 10. If I needed a new key at some point though I'd either buy a retail box or purchase a key from Microsoft or an authorized reseller.

[Prysin]

1 hour ago, SCHISCHKA said:

trump is fast replacing Hitler in Godwin's law

If you believe the media, sure. 

 

I'd argue trump is far less of an evil then G2A

[Nexxus]

...So I think I sent G2A into damage control mode. (this post has got A LOT of traffic on reddit)

 

" I have a high rated comment here (about 300 upvotes). I swear this thread is packed to the brim with shills. I keep getting messages, both on here and in PM, that G2A is safe to use and that they have so many transactions that have gone through without issues. "

 

[Ringthane]

13 minutes ago, Prysin said:

If you believe the media, sure. 

 

I'd argue trump is far less of an evil then G2A

Yes, because G2A has their hand on the button that launches all the really big missiles, right?

 

Yeah.  That's what I thought.