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27 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Original vive has a resolution of

2160x1200 (1080x1200 per eye). 

2160 ÷ 2 = 1080 

1200 ÷ 2 = 1200?! Shouldn't it be 600 or total res is suppose to be 2400.

2160x2400 = 1080x1200 per eye?

 

Humans have two eyes. 2160 is the horizontal. 1200 is the vertical. Half of the display is for one eye, the other half for the other. So you split the horizontal and keep the vertical and each eye gets 1080x1200

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1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

Wow dual 4K 120Hz over wifi

Will it also cure cancer?

it better be with all that radiation it would need for wireless :P.s

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1 hour ago, Humbug said:

Not sure I believe the dual 4K displays at 120Hz.

 

What 2017 GPU is going to push those pixels?? For now a decent bump up on the HTC Vive 1 resolution while staying at 90Hz would be preferable.

well it could just be an announcement to what they are going to aim for with like a release date for 2018 or something like that.

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1 hour ago, Humbug said:

Current model has 1080x1200 per eye.

I think for next iteration they should go with 2160 x 2400 per eye at the same 90Hz. That will be big noticeable improvement over the current model, and still the most high end GPUs will be able to drive it.

Not unless they switch to a proper RGB panel rather than the current TFT display 

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This sounds like it'll be more expensive than the first vive. Is that really a good idea? Im sure the vive hasn't paid for itself yet...

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2 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Sheesh man, that'll be pretty awesome if it happens, since I feel like current vr headset resolutions are way too low, but holy crap you're gonna need like two Titan XPs to even hit 90 hz on that thing!

So far all VR games can at 90 FPS on a 1060. More graphically intensive VR titles will need serious horsepower but Vega/Volta is a thing

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Even assuming they were foolish and meant 2160x4800 total and not actually 4k per eye, that's 10.3 Megapixels.

 

Assuming they stick with 24 bit color instead of moving to 30 bit, that's .23 Gigabits per frame.

 

At 120 frames per second you're up to 27.8 Gigabits per second.

 

Now assuming you're using Display Stream Compression that drops to 9.26 Gigabits per second in the best compression cases before the DisplayPort overhead. Display Stream Compression is designed for visually lossless low compression rates, with low latency so it's a good match for VR.

WiGig's max bandwidth is 7Gigabits per second and about 5Gigabits before overhead for the WiGig Display Extension, but assuming best case scenarios this video stream would require 9.26 Gigabits per second unless using something like H.265 for further compression... 

 

Official guess is that it's full resolution over DisplayPort/HDMI and quarter resolution over wireless. This would still take advantage of the higher density of the higher res screens in the Vive 2 without resorting to highly lossy and unreliable compression.

 

Even with 30bit color you'd wind up with ~3-5Gbits per second for the video stream at quarter resolution if it is 2160x4800, which is perfectly attainable over WiGig

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2 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Humans have two eyes. 2160 is the horizontal. 1200 is the vertical. Half of the display is for one eye, the other half for the other. So you split the horizontal and keep the vertical and each eye gets 1080x1200

 

2 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

there are 4 1080x1200 segments in a 2160x2400 display, last time I checked humans Have 2 eyes not 4.

 

2 hours ago, jkristof94 said:

No because if you use two separate displays and you put them side-by-side, the height stays the same, only the width doubles. If you were to put them on top of each other, the height would double while the width would stay the same

 

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51 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

So far all VR games can at 90 FPS on a 1060. More graphically intensive VR titles will need serious horsepower but Vega/Volta is a thing

But this is 4K per eye we're talking about, which should be 4 times more pixels than current VR headsets. 

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3 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

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Rumor has it, HTC might reveal their HTC Vive 2 at CES. The new vive will connect via wireless, a refresh rate of 120Hz vs 90Hz on the current model, and two 4k displays. CES will be held on January 5-8

 

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20161228PD202.html

 

 

3 hours ago, Humbug said:

Not sure I believe the dual 4K displays at 120Hz.

 

What 2017 GPU is going to push those pixels?? For now a decent bump up on the HTC Vive 1 resolution while staying at 90Hz would be preferable.

I agree, I cant believe this SIMPLY because they cant hardly run a single 4k panel over a wire at 120htz... Personally, I'm looking forward to a 2k panel on each eye at 120htz...  Give me that, with a easy cable solution and I'm ready to go.

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13 minutes ago, Sampsy said:

Well it's possible Valve have been spending some of that steam income on their own wifi receiver / transmitter technology - and very high speeds have been achieved before, such as this study where researchers at the University of Surrey reached 1Tb/s in 2015. It's not actually that outlandish to imagine given that the HTC Vive use case represents pretty much ideal conditions for wireless data transfer - a one-one connection in very close proximity, with direct line of sight. 

7Gigabit is as high as you can get in real world situations with consumer electronics, and that's through an 8x8 Wireless AC Wifi connection or a Wireless AD WiGig connection.

 

Samsung showed off a proprietary link that hit an astrounding 7.5 Gigabits (Oh my!) and could be implemented in consumer electronics.

 

The article you linked is about a research study that I can't find any information about, but likely used crazy hardware that wouldn't be viable in a consumer application.

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3 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

 

I agree, I cant believe this SIMPLY because they cant hardly run a single 4k panel over a wire at 120htz... Personally, I'm looking forward to a 2k panel on each eye at 120htz...  Give me that, with a easy cable solution and I'm ready to go.

Umm... DisplayPort 1.4 handles a 4k monitor over a wire at as much as 240Hz so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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17 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

But this is 4K per eye we're talking about, which should be 4 times more pixels than current VR headsets. 

So 8K. Which is totally doable on most VR games but the required hardware will need a serious bump. Maybe upscaling and the pixel density will make up for lower res? 

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3 minutes ago, Sniperfox47 said:

Umm... DisplayPort 1.4 handles a 4k monitor over a wire at as much as 240Hz so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

And how many video cards, monitors, and cables are there that support display port 1.4?  Like maybe 10 total...

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2 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

And how many video cards, monitors, and cables are there that support display port 1.4?  Like maybe 10 total...

All current GPU's from AMD or Nvidia support DP 1.4 and they use the same cable as DP 1.2

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2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

All current GPU's from AMD or Nvidia support DP 1.4 and they use the same cable as DP 1.2

And most of the laptops and smartphones with 4k screens.

 

And all of the 8k commercial monitors.

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The wireless connection may not be WiFi... maybe laser transmiter that will come with the headset? I cant possibly see how else it could work.

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54 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

So 8K. Which is totally doable on most VR games but the required hardware will need a serious bump. Maybe upscaling and the pixel density will make up for lower res? 

Well right now I think they consider it 1080p per eye.

 

I'm not even sure the flagship GPUs in 2018 and 2019 can do that... It'll probably be close :/. Right now 1440p per eye is the max we can hope for.

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4 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Wow dual 4K 120Hz over wifi

Will it also cure cancer?

You'll actually need to beam the signal from a 2KW antenna 

 

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55 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

You'll actually need to beam the signal from a 2KW antenna 

 

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At least there will be no need to buy a microwave :D

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