DOMINATOR® TITANIUM RGB 96GB (2x48GB) DDR5 DRAM 6600MT/s CL32 Intel XMP - MSI CARBON WIFI Z690 - I9-14900K

[enzoray]

Hi guys,

 

XMP will not just work.

 

Anything i should try?

[Zando_]

6 minutes ago, enzoray said:

Anything i should try?

The usual: Key in speed, main 4 timings, and voltage printed on the stick, leave all other timings and sub-timings on auto. 

[enzoray]

10 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

The usual: Key in speed, main 4 timings, and voltage printed on the stick, leave all other timings and sub-timings on auto. 

Thank you, im not sure where to start. Bios tweaks is not something im familiar with

[ulookuglynoob]

1 hour ago, enzoray said:

Hi guys,

 

XMP will not just work.

 

Anything i should try?

try using xmp on each stick separately. Might be a faulty ram module.

[RONOTHAN##]

Are you on the latest BIOS? MSI never really provided good BIOS updates for 24Gb memory support on Z690, only on the latest BIOS did it get kinda not terrible. Also, 6600MT/s on 2x48GB is fast enough to the point where it doesn't work on all CPUs, so you might just need to drop the speed to 6400 or 6200 and hope that fixes it. 

[enzoray]

Latest BIOS, yes.

 

I just cant figure how to manually set everything..

[enzoray]

Managed to set them at 5600 but cant get higher than that..

[RONOTHAN##]

1 hour ago, enzoray said:

I just cant figure how to manually set everything..

First, go into the BIOS, go to Advanced mode, and head to the overclocking tab. Scroll all the way to the bottom until you find "Memory-Z"

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Click through the following menus:

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Pick either of those

 

Once through there, make a note of the Max Bandwidth, Memory Voltage, DRAM tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS CLK values:

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Hit escape until you're back at the main OC menu, then scroll back up until you're at the DRAM Settings section. Change the IMC : DRAM clock ratio to 1/2 : 1 (Gear2) and set the DRAM Frequency to the value you copied down above:

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Then go into the Advanced DRAM Configuration menu and change the Command Rate to 2N, the tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS values to what you copied down above. Set tRCDW to the same as tRCD, though that isn't as important as the auto settings for that board should set it to the same as tRCD by default. 

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Hit escape to go back to the main OC tab and scroll back down to the bottom. Set the DRAM Voltage and DRAM VDDQ settings to voltage setting you copied down before. When you set DRAM Voltage, that should automatically set VDDQ to the same value, but double check to make sure that it does. 

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Afterwards, press F10 to save and exit, and hopefully it will boot. If not, you'll need to start dropping the DRAM frequency until it starts working. 

 

Note that there might be slight differences in how the BIOS is organized from your board to mine since I'm on a different motherboard (Z690 Unify-X) and I know it does have some extra settings due to it being more OC optimized, though all the settings I listed should be the same as they're available on every LGA 1700 motherboard and they're both MSI Z690 boards. 

 

50 minutes ago, enzoray said:

Managed to set them at 5600 but cant get higher than that..

What memory slots are you using? It should boot 6000+ unless you're not in slots 2 and 4 counting from the CPU socket. 

 

 

Also make sure to quote so we get a notification, I just happened to see this. 

[enzoray]

1 hour ago, RONOTHAN## said:

First, go into the BIOS, go to Advanced mode, and head to the overclocking tab. Scroll all the way to the bottom until you find "Memory-Z"

  Hide contents

Click through the following menus:

  Hide contents

Pick either of those

 

Once through there, make a note of the Max Bandwidth, Memory Voltage, DRAM tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS CLK values:

  Hide contents

Hit escape until you're back at the main OC menu, then scroll back up until you're at the DRAM Settings section. Change the IMC : DRAM clock ratio to 1/2 : 1 (Gear2) and set the DRAM Frequency to the value you copied down above:

  Hide contents

Then go into the Advanced DRAM Configuration menu and change the Command Rate to 2N, the tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS values to what you copied down above. Set tRCDW to the same as tRCD, though that isn't as important as the auto settings for that board should set it to the same as tRCD by default. 

  Hide contents

Hit escape to go back to the main OC tab and scroll back down to the bottom. Set the DRAM Voltage and DRAM VDDQ settings to voltage setting you copied down before. When you set DRAM Voltage, that should automatically set VDDQ to the same value, but double check to make sure that it does. 

  Hide contents

Afterwards, press F10 to save and exit, and hopefully it will boot. If not, you'll need to start dropping the DRAM frequency until it starts working. 

 

Note that there might be slight differences in how the BIOS is organized from your board to mine since I'm on a different motherboard (Z690 Unify-X) and I know it does have some extra settings due to it being more OC optimized, though all the settings I listed should be the same as they're available on every LGA 1700 motherboard and they're both MSI Z690 boards. 

 

What memory slots are you using? It should boot 6000+ unless you're not in slots 2 and 4 counting from the CPU socket. 

 

 

Also make sure to quote so we get a notification, I just happened to see this. 

Wow, thanks! i will give it a go now! 

[enzoray]

1 hour ago, RONOTHAN## said:

First, go into the BIOS, go to Advanced mode, and head to the overclocking tab. Scroll all the way to the bottom until you find "Memory-Z"

  Hide contents

Click through the following menus:

  Hide contents

Pick either of those

 

Once through there, make a note of the Max Bandwidth, Memory Voltage, DRAM tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS CLK values:

  Hide contents

Hit escape until you're back at the main OC menu, then scroll back up until you're at the DRAM Settings section. Change the IMC : DRAM clock ratio to 1/2 : 1 (Gear2) and set the DRAM Frequency to the value you copied down above:

  Hide contents

Then go into the Advanced DRAM Configuration menu and change the Command Rate to 2N, the tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS values to what you copied down above. Set tRCDW to the same as tRCD, though that isn't as important as the auto settings for that board should set it to the same as tRCD by default. 

  Hide contents

Hit escape to go back to the main OC tab and scroll back down to the bottom. Set the DRAM Voltage and DRAM VDDQ settings to voltage setting you copied down before. When you set DRAM Voltage, that should automatically set VDDQ to the same value, but double check to make sure that it does. 

  Hide contents

Afterwards, press F10 to save and exit, and hopefully it will boot. If not, you'll need to start dropping the DRAM frequency until it starts working. 

 

Note that there might be slight differences in how the BIOS is organized from your board to mine since I'm on a different motherboard (Z690 Unify-X) and I know it does have some extra settings due to it being more OC optimized, though all the settings I listed should be the same as they're available on every LGA 1700 motherboard and they're both MSI Z690 boards. 

 

What memory slots are you using? It should boot 6000+ unless you're not in slots 2 and 4 counting from the CPU socket. 

 

 

Also make sure to quote so we get a notification, I just happened to see this. 

Dude, who are you. Worked first shot at 6600 MHz  . Thanks!!! Should i test for stability ? How?

[enzoray]

1 hour ago, RONOTHAN## said:

First, go into the BIOS, go to Advanced mode, and head to the overclocking tab. Scroll all the way to the bottom until you find "Memory-Z"

  Reveal hidden contents

Click through the following menus:

  Reveal hidden contents

Pick either of those

 

Once through there, make a note of the Max Bandwidth, Memory Voltage, DRAM tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS CLK values:

  Reveal hidden contents

Hit escape until you're back at the main OC menu, then scroll back up until you're at the DRAM Settings section. Change the IMC : DRAM clock ratio to 1/2 : 1 (Gear2) and set the DRAM Frequency to the value you copied down above:

  Reveal hidden contents

Then go into the Advanced DRAM Configuration menu and change the Command Rate to 2N, the tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS values to what you copied down above. Set tRCDW to the same as tRCD, though that isn't as important as the auto settings for that board should set it to the same as tRCD by default. 

  Reveal hidden contents

Hit escape to go back to the main OC tab and scroll back down to the bottom. Set the DRAM Voltage and DRAM VDDQ settings to voltage setting you copied down before. When you set DRAM Voltage, that should automatically set VDDQ to the same value, but double check to make sure that it does. 

  Reveal hidden contents

Afterwards, press F10 to save and exit, and hopefully it will boot. If not, you'll need to start dropping the DRAM frequency until it starts working. 

 

Note that there might be slight differences in how the BIOS is organized from your board to mine since I'm on a different motherboard (Z690 Unify-X) and I know it does have some extra settings due to it being more OC optimized, though all the settings I listed should be the same as they're available on every LGA 1700 motherboard and they're both MSI Z690 boards. 

 

What memory slots are you using? It should boot 6000+ unless you're not in slots 2 and 4 counting from the CPU socket. 

 

 

Also make sure to quote so we get a notification, I just happened to see this. 

Spoiler

 

 

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Edited May 25 by enzoray

[enzoray]

1 hour ago, RONOTHAN## said:

First, go into the BIOS, go to Advanced mode, and head to the overclocking tab. Scroll all the way to the bottom until you find "Memory-Z"

  Reveal hidden contents

Click through the following menus:

  Reveal hidden contents

Pick either of those

 

Once through there, make a note of the Max Bandwidth, Memory Voltage, DRAM tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS CLK values:

  Reveal hidden contents

Hit escape until you're back at the main OC menu, then scroll back up until you're at the DRAM Settings section. Change the IMC : DRAM clock ratio to 1/2 : 1 (Gear2) and set the DRAM Frequency to the value you copied down above:

  Reveal hidden contents

Then go into the Advanced DRAM Configuration menu and change the Command Rate to 2N, the tCL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS values to what you copied down above. Set tRCDW to the same as tRCD, though that isn't as important as the auto settings for that board should set it to the same as tRCD by default. 

  Reveal hidden contents

Hit escape to go back to the main OC tab and scroll back down to the bottom. Set the DRAM Voltage and DRAM VDDQ settings to voltage setting you copied down before. When you set DRAM Voltage, that should automatically set VDDQ to the same value, but double check to make sure that it does. 

  Reveal hidden contents

Afterwards, press F10 to save and exit, and hopefully it will boot. If not, you'll need to start dropping the DRAM frequency until it starts working. 

 

Note that there might be slight differences in how the BIOS is organized from your board to mine since I'm on a different motherboard (Z690 Unify-X) and I know it does have some extra settings due to it being more OC optimized, though all the settings I listed should be the same as they're available on every LGA 1700 motherboard and they're both MSI Z690 boards. 

 

What memory slots are you using? It should boot 6000+ unless you're not in slots 2 and 4 counting from the CPU socket. 

 

 

Also make sure to quote so we get a notification, I just happened to see this. 

as we are in topics, any suggestions for my 14900k? Any pro tewaks?

[RONOTHAN##]

1 hour ago, enzoray said:

Should i test for stability ? How?

I would. There's a few different programs that exist that do this, but the one I've found the best at detecting memory errors on 13/14th gen is Y-Cruncher with the VT3 stress test. Download it here, then hit 1 for component stress tester, then 8, 18, and 0 in that order to select only VT3 to run. I'd let it run for about 2 hours to declare it stable, and I wouldn't really want to let it run for much longer than that as on the 13th/14th gen chips it pulls a ton of power (well over 300W unless you have power limits in place). 

 

1 hour ago, enzoray said:

as we are in topics, any suggestions for my 14900k? Any pro tewaks?

Not really. Those chips are more or less redlined from the factory, so unless you have an insane amount of cooling and/or get super lucky with an amazing chip, you can't really change anything on these chips. 

[enzoray]

9 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I would. There's a few different programs that exist that do this, but the one I've found the best at detecting memory errors on 13/14th gen is Y-Cruncher with the VT3 stress test. Download it here, then hit 1 for component stress tester, then 8, 18, and 0 in that order to select only VT3 to run. I'd let it run for about 2 hours to declare it stable, and I wouldn't really want to let it run for much longer than that as on the 13th/14th gen chips it pulls a ton of power (well over 300W unless you have power limits in place). 

 

Not really. Those chips are more or less redlined from the factory, so unless you have an insane amount of cooling and/or get super lucky with an amazing chip, you can't really change anything on these chips. 

Amazing,

 

I have read the whole thing about leaving everything stock on MSI boards using the Intel Box Cooler settings. I have put a power limit of about 250 watts... such a shame losing performance but these chips are basically for water cooling only...

[enzoray]

9 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I would. There's a few different programs that exist that do this, but the one I've found the best at detecting memory errors on 13/14th gen is Y-Cruncher with the VT3 stress test. Download it here, then hit 1 for component stress tester, then 8, 18, and 0 in that order to select only VT3 to run. I'd let it run for about 2 hours to declare it stable, and I wouldn't really want to let it run for much longer than that as on the 13th/14th gen chips it pulls a ton of power (well over 300W unless you have power limits in place). 

 

Not really. Those chips are more or less redlined from the factory, so unless you have an insane amount of cooling and/or get super lucky with an amazing chip, you can't really change anything on these chips. 

Errors but no crashes.

[RONOTHAN##]

1 hour ago, enzoray said:

Errors but no crashes.

 

Alright, that more or less means you need to lower the memory speed in order to get this stable. Instant crashing is about the worst you can run into. There are a couple voltages you can play with in order to get it stable if you really want to, but they can also cause some weird issues like retrain instability that isn't worth messing with. 

[enzoray]

3 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Alright, that more or less means you need to lower the memory speed in order to get this stable. Instant crashing is about the worst you can run into. There are a couple voltages you can play with in order to get it stable if you really want to, but they can also cause some weird issues like retrain instability that isn't worth messing with. 

Ok, the test crashes but windows is stable, video editing is stable.

 

What can it cause if i leave it?

 

When you say to lower the speed you mean from 6600 to 6400? (Your 4th Image)

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, enzoray said:

What can it cause if i leave it?

Random blue screens that you just haven't run into yet, and inevitably a corrupted Windows install. 

 

2 minutes ago, enzoray said:

When you say to lower the speed you mean from 6600 to 6400? (Your 4th Image)

Yes. 

[enzoray]

3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Random blue screens that you just haven't run into yet, and inevitably a corrupted Windows install. 

 

Yes. 

OK, seems a simple switch. Shame i wont be using the full potential but will keep you posted soon

 

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, enzoray said:

Shame i wont be using the full potential

 

Yeah, it's the main reason I don't really recommend anyone buy high frequency memory kits, there's a good enough change that it doesn't work at the rated speeds without tuning the memory controller, so you might as well just use the lower speeds instead. 

 

Plus there's the fact that DDR5 is relatively consistent, and even a 6000 CL30 rated kit can overclock to the super high speeds anyway with minimal effort assuming your CPU is capable of it (getting 7200 working on a 6400 CL32 rated kit, assuming that its 2x16 or 2x24GB rather than 2x32 or 2x48GB, takes as much effort as it took for you to get 6400 to boot), so you might as well save money and get a slower rated kit. 

[Wolverine2349]

I can say from experience DDR5 XMP 6000+ on 13th and 14th Gen is a mess on any 4 DIMM board. Especially any Asus board.

 

Even if it boots and seems stable try running OCCT Large Dataset variable test which is not at all a power virus but an overall good stability test5 and you will get WHEAs or CPOU core errors. I had it happen with multiple 13th and 14th Gen CPUs across multiple 4 DIMM board mostly Asus but even a couple of MSI 4 DIMM ones.

 

You need a 2 DIMM MSI board like the Z690 Unify X or Z790i Edge and then it just works well up to 7200 loading XMP without any other work and stability tests are rock solid. Probably eVGA Dark boards as well though never tried one.

 

Asus anything DDR5 XMP and Intel 12th Gen or newer stay far away!!

[enzoray]

7 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Yeah, it's the main reason I don't really recommend anyone buy high frequency memory kits, there's a good enough change that it doesn't work at the rated speeds without tuning the memory controller, so you might as well just use the lower speeds instead. 

 

Plus there's the fact that DDR5 is relatively consistent, and even a 6000 CL30 rated kit can overclock to the super high speeds anyway with minimal effort assuming your CPU is capable of it (getting 7200 working on a 6400 CL32 rated kit, assuming that its 2x16 or 2x24GB rather than 2x32 or 2x48GB, takes as much effort as it took for you to get 6400 to boot), so you might as well save money and get a slower rated kit. 

seems like im settled at 6000. Not too bad!