PSU Tier List [OLD]

[Starelementpoke]

3 hours ago, Energycore said:

Damn glad to know!

 

@STRMfrmXMN this might even be a T2 unit if they don't fuck it up. Between the fan and DC-DC. Or even T1 if it's got all the protection circuits and great voltage/ripple

Wasn't the only thing that was holding back the new CXM from being a low tier 2 anyway the fan? (I can be helpful too guys)

[zelix]

So I got a EVGA 550GS which is in tier 2. Is there anything inherently wrong with that? what differentiates t1 and t2?

[Energycore]

3 hours ago, zelix said:

So I got a EVGA 550GS which is in tier 2. Is there anything inherently wrong with that? what differentiates t1 and t2?

It doesn't have as amazing voltage regulation or ripple suppression. It also has a worse bearing fan IIRC ( @STRMfrmXMN you own one which one was it?) than the EVGA G2. It's still really good though, don't worry about it

It might be a bit noisier than a Seasonic Snow Silent or Corsair RMi, but those cost more for the same capacity.

[STRMfrmXMN]

On 4/17/2017 at 5:52 PM, Energycore said:

It doesn't have as amazing voltage regulation or ripple suppression. It also has a worse bearing fan IIRC ( @STRMfrmXMN you own one which one was it?) than the EVGA G2. It's still really good though, don't worry about it

It might be a bit noisier than a Seasonic Snow Silent or Corsair RMi, but those cost more for the same capacity.

The GS performs fine electrically but doesn't have OVP OTP and the fan isn't really worse. It's just a bit worse than a G2 and is very, very small. I own the GS. Would have bought the G2 if there wasn't a size constraint with my old case.

 

The G2 is very quiet and shouldn't out-loud an RMi.

[STRMfrmXMN]

On 4/17/2017 at 2:36 PM, zelix said:

So I got a EVGA 550GS which is in tier 2. Is there anything inherently wrong with that? what differentiates t1 and t2?

I considered bumping it down to tier 3 due to lack of OVP but kept it there as it's got other redeeming features. The GS is plenty for most people (550W and 650W) versions so long as you don't work them too hard.

 

EDIT: OTP was the thing it lacks.

[turkey3_scratch]

11 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

I considered bumping it down to tier 3 due to lack of OVP but kept it there as it's got other redeeming features. The GS is plenty for most people (550W and 650W) versions so long as you don't work them too hard.

I find it hard to believe it doesn't have OVP, where did you hear that? Almost everything even cheap junk has OVP, it's a required protection whereas UVP is not required. Also, from the Toms review of the GS: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-550-gs-power-supply,4146.html

 

"EVGA offers a fully modular cabling design in its GS line, and all of the units in the series are Haswell-ready, since they are based on a design that uses DC-DC converters for generating the minor rails. In addition, besides OTP (Over-Temperature Protection) and OCP (Over-Current Protection) the rest of the protection features are present. In single +12V rail PSUs, OCP is substituted by OPP (Over-Power Protection); however, OTP is a crucial feature for any PSU and we strongly believe it should be included."

[turkey3_scratch]

Credit to Orion on Jonnyguru for this finding, it seems EVGA has another new PSU https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438119

[quan289]

Along with not having UVP on the 12V rail, the HY-510N protection IC that's in the 550/650 GS lacks OCP not only on the +12V rail like most single rail units but as well as the minor rail. This is bad if there's a parasitic draw caused by a short on the minor rails.

 

I believe there was two simples that the these lower wattage GS reported to have failed and burn out by Stefan and Philip.

[turkey3_scratch]

Just now, quan289 said:

Along with not having UVP on the 12V rail, the HY-510N protection IC that's in the 550/650 GS lacks OCP not only on the +12V rail like most single rail unit but as well as the minor rail. This is bad if there's a parasitic draw caused by a short on the minor rails.

 

I believe there was two simples that the these lower wattage GS reported to have failed and burn out by Stefan and Philip.

I'll believe Stefan. Nobody talks about protections more than him.

[quan289]

15 minutes ago, turkey3_scratch said:

I'll believe Stefan. Nobody talks about protections more than him.

Yep, he's the one who brought it up on this thread.

 

17 minutes ago, turkey3_scratch said:

Credit to Orion on Jonnyguru for this finding, it seems EVGA has another new PSU https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438119

So it's basically a the second revision of the EVGA B1 platform but without a heatsink on the bridge rectifier, a lower 30C rating to reflect that, and fully black cables?

 

I don't really see a point in this unit, if the EVGA Supernova B3  in the same price point. http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-B3-0450-V1

I can't help but feel that EVGA is just mindlessly putting out series without any set plans...

[STRMfrmXMN]

59 minutes ago, turkey3_scratch said:

I find it hard to believe it doesn't have OVP, where did you hear that? Almost everything even cheap junk has OVP, it's a required protection whereas UVP is not required. Also, from the Toms review of the GS: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-550-gs-power-supply,4146.html

 

"EVGA offers a fully modular cabling design in its GS line, and all of the units in the series are Haswell-ready, since they are based on a design that uses DC-DC converters for generating the minor rails. In addition, besides OTP (Over-Temperature Protection) and OCP (Over-Current Protection) the rest of the protection features are present. In single +12V rail PSUs, OCP is substituted by OPP (Over-Power Protection); however, OTP is a crucial feature for any PSU and we strongly believe it should be included."

Ah, it's OCP then.

 

I'll always get my acronyms confused, it seems.

4 minutes ago, quan289 said:

 

So it's basically a the second revision of the EVGA B1 platform but without a heatsink on the bridge rectifier, a lower 30C rating to reflect that, and fully black cables?

 

I don't really see a point in this unit, if the EVGA Supernova B3  in the same price point. http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-B3-0450-V1

I can't help but feel that EVGA is just mindlessly putting out series without any set plans...

How many freaking series do they need at this point..? They already dominate this market with the B1 and W1...

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 minute ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

How many freaking series do they need at this point..? 

More? Its obvious that they don't have enough series ATM  

[turkey3_scratch]

The B3 is also launching, the 450 B3 will launch for $50 in USA.

[LienusLateTips]

11 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

More? Its obvious that they don't have enough series ATM  

If they wanted more series, they shouldn't have discontinued mine "SUPERNOVA NEX B2"

[turkey3_scratch]

12 hours ago, JDE said:

If they wanted more series, they shouldn't have discontinued mine "SUPERNOVA NEX B2"

That's discontinued because frankly it's overpriced and not that good at all. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[LienusLateTips]

3 minutes ago, turkey3_scratch said:

That's discontinued because frankly it's overpriced and not that good at all. Sometimes the truth hurts.

 

11 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

More? Its obvious that they don't have enough series ATM  

 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

More? Its obvious that they don't have enough series ATM  

There are 26 letters in the english alphabet

There are 10 single digit numbers

EVGA naming format is Letter + Letter or Letter + Number

(i.e. EVGA BQ, EVGA G3)

And then there is this fucking EVGA G2L 

 

So 26*26*10+1=6761

EVGA still has a long way to go

 

But if we think realistically, EVGA only starts with G, B, W, N, P and T

So that's only 1561 possible combinations for EVGA to name their PSU unit

That doesn't account for the fact they could release another L unit like EVGA G2L I mentioned, which would increase the number more. 

 

 

 

 

[Energycore]

10 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

There are 26 letters in the english alphabet

There are 10 single digit numbers

EVGA naming format is Letter + Letter or Letter + Number

(i.e. EVGA BQ, EVGA G3)

And then there is this fucking EVGA G2L 

 

So 26*26*10+1=6761

EVGA still has a long way to go

 

But if we think realistically, EVGA only starts with G, B, W, N, P and T

So that's only 1561 possible combinations for EVGA to name their PSU unit

That doesn't account for the fact they could release another L unit like EVGA G2L I mentioned, which would increase the number more. 

 

 

 

 

I think they can only combine G,B,W,N,P,T on the first entry, then any digit + any letter on the second. Then they may add L to any of these.

 

So that's 6 (first entry) * 36 (number of letters + digits) * 2 (may add L to the end) = 432. Not the ludicrous 6000 or so

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I think they can only combine G,B,W,N,P,T on the first entry, then any digit + any letter on the second. Then they may add L to any of these.

 

So that's 6 (first entry) * 36 (number of letters + digits) * 2 (may add L to the end) = 432. Not the ludicrous 6000 or so

There is always that guy who is smarter than you

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I think they can only combine G,B,W,N,P,T on the first entry, then any digit + any letter on the second. Then they may add L to any of these.

 

So that's 6 (first entry) * 36 (number of letters + digits) * 2 (may add L to the end) = 432. Not the ludicrous 6000 or so

Also x2 at the end isn't correct. Do you think EVGA W1 will have an L version? As if EVGA white isn't shit enough they decided to Light it up to make the explosion more dramatic

[Energycore]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

Also x2 at the end isn't correct. Do you think EVGA W1 will have an L version? As if EVGA white isn't shit enough they decided to Light it up to make the explosion more dramatic

Well if you try to test its OPP circuit the lightshow comes built-in

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

There is always that guy who is smarter than you

I'm sorry sometimes I'm your stereotypical "well actually that doesn't work like that, here's how it actually works" nerd. Lost a couple girls on that I have.

[quan289]

Opps, didn't mean to post this yet before getting my thought process organized. Oh well, I'll may talk about it later.

 

Just an update on the EVGA B3 file. Apparently, an error was made during the initial press release stating it had a HDB fan. It will have a sleeved bearing fan instead.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-b3-psus-super-flower,34115.html

 

I was wondering how they are going to make the B3 series work. Being fully modular and having a HDB fan are price adders, in which they may need to cut some corners elsewhere to keep the price low. While it is a little disappointing, it's more understanding for the segment / price point it is at. So my opinion on it didn't change much as it offer a full modular and semi-passive mode advantage over the CX / M.

[STRMfrmXMN]

14 hours ago, JDE said:

If they wanted more series, they shouldn't have discontinued mine "SUPERNOVA NEX B2"

There's no NEX B2, only B1 NEX and B2 afaik

[STRMfrmXMN]

12 hours ago, quan289 said:

 

Just an update on the EVGA B3 file. Apparently, an error was made during the initial press release stating it had a HDB fan. It will have a sleeved bearing fan instead.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-b3-psus-super-flower,34115.html

 

I was wondering how they are going to make the B3 series work. Being fully modular and having a HDB fan are price adders, in which they may need to cut some corners elsewhere to keep the price low. While it is a little disappointing, it's more understanding for the segment / price point it is at. So my opinion on it didn't change much as it offer a full modular and semi-passive mode advantage over the CX / M.

I weeped a little but I do suppose it makes sense.

 

Gonna keep recommending the B2 I guess. We'll have to see if it ever makes sense to recommend the B3.

[Starelementpoke]

40 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

I weeped a little but I do suppose it makes sense.

 

Gonna keep recommending the B2 I guess. We'll have to see if it ever makes sense to recommend the B3.

Probably if they stop producing the B2.