Do you think my man Linus is a bit too harsh on consoles?

[threadysparrow]

I know PCs are better in many ways. Better graphics, open ended modding, smoother gameplay. But consoles are not THAT bad. I am not accusing Linus and Slick of saying consoles are bad, but whenever they talk about them, it seems that they are a bit more focused on the negative than the positive.

 

I honestly think that if it were not for consoles, then the video game crash would have been worse. The NES pulled video games up from the ashes.

 

Also, console makers have brought together some really great talent to make some really great exclusives. I always talk about Naughty Dog but if you think I am too focused on them then please go play The Last of Us or Uncharted. 343 Studios looks to have great potential with the new story arc for Halo. I get it, if you have a multiplatform game, then PC is the way to go. But I think Naughty Dog's games or 343 Studios' games are alone worth buying a console for. What do you guys think?

 

Again, I am not trying to put words into Linus's mouth or accuse him of being a PC fanboy, but it just seems like he might be acting a bit unfairly towards the potential of the new generation of consoles coming out in 2 months.

 

I honestly do not think consoles are trying to compete with PC. Jack Tretton of Sony said himself that the PS4 is an original console with its own expectations and potential. He doesn't want people to say "well it looks better on console A than console B."

 

And we all owe Linus a thanks anyways for taking a chance with Linus Media and giving us a great forum to come to. I have to end it with a compliment otherwise Linus might look at this thread and start rage typing.

[Morpheus]

no.

[Navin]

Nein!

[threadysparrow]

ok well great dialogue, I am glad we are being open minded about this.

[Anult]

I like to point out that during the video game crash of 1983, the PC gaming market was never affected at all.

 

If anything, it rose massively during those years.

 

Not to mention many of the advantages for owning a console have over time, faded away. (The only exception is ease of use and even then that's going away)

 

When websites like IGN are making articles saying what's the point of a console anymore, something is happening alright.

[kotekking2]

Nope, he's just being realistic.

[megadarkwood]

Linus, is not "Your man" He is OUR Man.

[Cacao]

Consoles are for people that won't take a few hours out of their life to learn a bit about hardware so they can put a PC together, once you acquire that knowledge, there are no reasons to go with a console over a PC. A PC can do everything a console can do at the same price point and more.

[Kirihuna]

To be fair consoles are great for people on a budget and play casually.

 

Have you ever played FIFA, NHL, or any sports game around a computer? It's dumb and insane. I feel PC gaming is more serious while console gaming is more laid back. It's hard to play with M+KB in a recliner.

[Matsy]

Hes being realistic.

Consoles will be holding PC's back again, in a year or two, more than they already are even with the new consoles.

[helping]

Consoles are for people that won't take a few hours out of their life to learn a bit about hardware so they can put a PC together, once you acquire that knowledge, there are no reasons to go with a console over a PC. A PC can do everything a console can do at the same price point and more.

I would definitely disagree, you're being a bit too Nazi. Consoles have their own niche and there are reasons too choose a console over PC. PC overlaps in gaming with consoles and is superior, but a console might be better for someone who wants to play with people over, or for a kid with siblings. Console is also easier to integrate into a living room since they're practically plug and play. Much simpler to operate and troubleshooting is pretty much nonexistent. Some people don't really care about graphics and only want to play the game, or already have a PC and are satisfied with it and have no need for redundancy when all they want to do is play a video game. They're just that much easier to use.

 

You're going fully against a consistent societal trend. If someone wants to game with most of their friends from school or Uni, they buy an Xbox or a PS3 because the majority of people still don't use PC for entertainment and instead use it for work or social networking.

 

Saying that they can do the same at the same price-point is just flat wrong. The hardware for a console is also heavily subsidized, you can't say you can build a PC equivalent of a console because the hardware is purchased by bulk, deals and arrangement, and sometimes sold at 0 or below profit margin.

 

Please consider that, while we might understand how simple and beneficial it is to put together a PC and how to deal with the problems associated with it, most people do not. In that way the information that people on this and many other forums posses is somewhat esoteric and with that knowledge it becomes harder to understand why someone wouldn't act on what you know, but what they know. It's like expecting an ape to be able to put together a set of legos to receive 10 bananas, or they could just push a button and receive 3. It seems idiotic  to you because you know how to play with legos, but  the ape prefers pushing the button because it's still satisfied and doesn't know a thing about legos.

 

You really shouldn't look down on people that don't know as much.

[threadysparrow]

Linus, is not "Your man" He is OUR Man.

He told me that he was my man... wait... this is going to a weird place...

[Guest Gazzer96]

To be fair consoles are great for people on a budget and play casually.

 

Have you ever played FIFA, NHL, or any sports game around a computer? It's dumb and insane. I feel PC gaming is more serious while console gaming is more laid back. It's hard to play with M+KB in a recliner.

Try plugging in A wired Xbox controler in the USB port.

[Vitalius]

I personally think he is harsh on them, but I believe it is deserved, because he is right.

 

The main reason PC gamers are harsh on Consoles is because we know they hold our games back, graphically, and in the long term, they are more costly for less features. Generally inferior for what we, PC gamers, want to do. Hardcore gaming. 

People go too far with that sometimes, just as any fanboy does (not that Linus has, just talking generally). 

 

A PC can do everything a console can do at the same price point and more.

I disagree. Consoles always have better short-term price-performance ratios. Good example: You cannot make a $400 PC that has the graphical capabilities of a PS4, including peripherals and an OS, because the PS4 comes with that (one controller, the PS4's OS). 

You can do that in 2-5 years, but then the PS4's price has been cut and you have to re-evaluate and in that time, you will not be able to do it with $300 when that is the PS4's price. 

I agree with the rest of your comment that I did not quote.

 

To be fair consoles are great for people on a budget and play casually.

 

Have you ever played FIFA, NHL, or any sports game around a computer? It's dumb and insane. I feel PC gaming is more serious while console gaming is more laid back. It's hard to play with M+KB in a recliner.

Agreed. 

Part of the reason they are good for budget minded people, even though PC's cost less in the long term, is because they cost less in the short term. No one wants to save up. They want what they want, now. Not save up for 2 months to year, then get it.

Try plugging in a wired Xbox controler in the USB port.

This^.  

 

Hes being realistic.

Consoles will be holding PC's back again, in a year or two, more than they already are even with the new consoles.

Agreed.

[Kirihuna]

Try plugging in a wired Xbox controler in the USB port.

This doesn't solve the problem. An Xbox 360 + a sports game + a second controller is cheaper than a PC + the game + two controllers wirelessly + wireless adapter (lets face it, barely anyone likes wired controllers for consoles)

[s3ns3]

hell no. he needs to say console sucks more often. with cursewords and everything

[berna]

As i said on the other topic:

 

Pc games are kinda chained to consoles atm, most of the games need to have in mind to be able to run on PC. So to break this chain basicly consoles would need to disappear or something, and that will not happen any time soon. For one great reason that people forget, PC AREN'T optimized for living room entertainment. Its so freaking unpractical to use a mouse and a keyboard on a sofa, you need to have an optimized OS that can be controlled with a gamepad NATIVELY, The PC games are mainly to be played with a mouse and keyboard. The OS is meant to be navigated with a mouse. My opinion,as I said, before, is that the future of the consoles will stop being about the hardware but about the OS itself. Designed to be installed on a recommended hardware and all the games are designed to be played NATIVELY with a gamepad.

[LinusTech]

Console exclusives are the main benefit, with ease of use being another huge one.

 

The cold hard truth is that not every gamer is some tech-savvy LTT forum member who is willing to try 4 different voice chat clients to find the one that doesn't sound like butt or give his IP to everyone in his/her contact list.

 

Consoles fill that void.

 

I just have no use for them, that's all.

[wtfxmitchell]

[wtfxmitchell]

Console exclusives are the main benefit, with ease of use being another huge one.

 

The cold hard truth is that not every gamer is some tech-savvy LTT forum member who is willing to try 4 different voice chat clients to find the one that doesn't sound like butt or give his IP to everyone in his/her contact list.

 

Consoles fill that void.

 

I just have no use for them, that's all.

the truth has spoken

[Vitalius]

Console exclusives are the main benefit, with ease of use being another huge one.

 

The cold hard truth is that not every gamer is some tech-savvy LTT forum member who is willing to try 4 different voice chat clients to find the one that doesn't sound like butt or give his IP to everyone in his/her contact list.

 

Consoles fill that void.

 

I just have no use for them, that's all.

Called it.^

They are for the sheeple (people who do not have the time or desire to learn everything we know and so follow their brands blindly) to gorge themselves on.

... That came out very derogatory. You know what I mean.

[_ASSASSIN_]

not at all, the only thing console has to hold on to is ease of use and exclusives, they have 0 potential, the only thing that has potential is their studios that could be doing multiplats instead of exclusives

[berna]

I just have no use for them, that's all.

 

So you don't like to play on your living room? or you some how manage to work with a keyboard and a mouse on your sofa?!?! Because gaming in a living room will not go away.

[Raboo]

no.

[Str_Mape]

I disagree. Consoles always have better short-term price-performance ratios. Good example: You cannot make a $400 PC that has the graphical capabilities of a PS4, including peripherals and an OS, because the PS4 comes with that (one controller, the PS4's OS). 

Don't forget that people will normally want to have a cheap computer for general well computing along with the console so for the price of both you can easily just do the one gaming pc