what do you get for going with Skylake instead of haswell ?

[warzkaz]

other than ddr4 and 10% performance increase 

[Guest]

other than ddr4 and 10% performance increase 

14nm and way cooler running 

[Starelementpoke]

More guaranteed future cpu upgrades and that's about it. Thought the IPC improvement was only 5% though?

[Marinatall_Ironside]

Thunderbolt 3 as well, better iGPU which only gets used by system integrators that think the iGPU is sufficient enough. I don't know what else did I miss.

[007agentHP]

THANK YOU

at least someone here finally understands that skylake isnt worth it compared to haswell

[SPG]

a bigger hole in your wallet

[TacticlTwinkie]

DMI 3.0 for more pcie lanes from the chipset, and nvme support. If you don't need these, I see no need to shell out the extra for a skylake setup. But if its a less than $25ish difference between the setups, then I say go for it.

[007agentHP]

More guaranteed future cpu upgrades and that's about it. Thought the IPC improvement was only 5% though?

for a gamer, would going from an i5 skylake to an i5 kabylake make a big difference? no

past kabylake is another socket so not much of a generation upgrade path.

[Atmos]

other than ddr4 and 10% performance increase 

10% is an overstatement, its much closer to 5%.

 

There is virtually nothing you get in exchange. You get more epensive, slightly faster ddr4, marginally lower temps, and a lower clockspeed.

[Enderman]

more PCIe speed, better performance, newer motherboards with newer features, higher frequency memory, up to 64GB instead of 32, better integrated graphics,

[TheRandomness]

Kaby Lake is really the only reason I can think of.

[warzkaz]

More guaranteed future cpu upgrades and that's about it. Thought the IPC improvement was only 5% though?

either way 10% or 5% it's not worth it imo

[warzkaz]

DMI 3.0 for more pcie lanes from the chipset, and nvme support. If you don't need these, I see no need to shell out the extra for a skylake setup. But if its a less than $25ish difference between the setups, then I say go for it.

z97 has nvme support

[Marinatall_Ironside]

Kaby Lake is really the only reason I can think of.

IMO Kaby Lake offers almost nothing better than Skylake based on preliminary features, but again I could be wrong.

[StackUnderflow]

USB 3.1/Thunderbolt

16 GB RAM Sticks/32 GB ECC RAM Sticks for Xeons (i'm not sure about the Xeons)

32 GB RAM on ITX boards

also 6700 is a larger number than 4790, hence it must be better (/sarcasm)

[runit3]

Non-K SKU overclocking, marginal IPC improvement, better IMC for RAM, DMI 3.0 and chipset lanes.

 

Bang for buck, better in every way assuming you are going to OC a non-K SKU chip.

[TacticlTwinkie]

z97 has nvme support

That is correct. When I think Haswell, I think Z87.

[NumLock21]

NVMe gets to run at its actual speed, more pcie lanes, and your upgrade path will not be restricted by your cpu. Want SLI or CFX along with a Intel 750 or Samsung 950 Pro. Not on the Z97, but you can with the Z170. From your sig, it's an AMD build, so if your going with Intel get a 6700K.

[flipped_bit]

for a gamer, would going from an i5 skylake to an i5 kabylake make a big difference? no

past kabylake is another socket so not much of a generation upgrade path.

 

Really?  Has Intel confirmed Cannonlake will be on a new socket?  Their pattern recently has been to stick with the same socket for two generations, and Kabylake is the same generation as Skylake (just as Devil's Canyon was still Haswell).

[SteveGrabowski0]

for a gamer, would going from an i5 skylake to an i5 kabylake make a big difference? no

past kabylake is another socket so not much of a generation upgrade path.

 

Cannonlake is still LGA 1151

[007agentHP]

Really?  Has Intel confirmed Cannonlake will be on a new socket?  Their pattern recently has been to stick with the same socket for two generations, and Kabylake is the same generation as Skylake (just as Devil's Canyon was still Haswell).

generally 2 gens to 1 socket

lga 1156 was nehalem

lga 1155 was  sandy bridge and ivy bridget

lga 1150 haswell and broadwell

lga 1151 skylake and kabylake (its a stand alone, not like devil's canyon. the only reason devil's canyon was made is cause they F$CKED up the TIM on haswell)

lga XXXX canonlake and unknown

[Nena Trinity]

DDR4 and maybe one gen of CPUs more?

 

generally 2 gens to 1 socket

lga 1156 was nehalem

lga 1155 was  sandy bridge and ivy bridget

lga 1150 haswell and broadwell

lga 1151 skylake and kabylake (its a stand alone, not like devil's canyon. the only reason devil's canyon was made is cause they F$CKED up the TIM on haswell)

lga XXXX canonlake and unknown

 

I heard Cannonlake wont have a dual-core is that true? o3o

[Jahramika]

M.2 PCI x4 support the only real reason to upgrade performance gain here is worth more than the 10 CPU gain in my mind.

[v0id]

The performance gain over Haswell, in my opinion, doesn't really justify the cost difference. Sure, it's not THAT much but if you're already on Haswell and not having issues it isn't worth changing up your entire system over. Now if you are still rocking like Z77 or something and looking for an upgrade, then Skylake would be a reasonable chipset to go to. Or if money just doesn't really matter and you wanna stay with the curve of technology, by all means shell it out for Skylake. Personally, I'm on Haswell and while Skylake does have some features I'd like I'm going to ride it out for something a bit more substantial since Haswell is meeting my needs just fine for the moment.

 

if anything I'd go X99 over Skylake, since an X99 system would suite me for the next 2-5 yrs easily. But that's another thread for a different topic.

[typographie]

More guaranteed future cpu upgrades and that's about it. Thought the IPC improvement was only 5% though?

 

Very rarely would you ever upgrade from one Intel generation to the immediate next generation—even many Sandy Bridge owners still aren't bothering. Someone buying a Skylake i5 or i7 today would probably not get much value for their money by upgrading to another i5 or i7 on LGA-1151. A same-socket upgrade is advisable for someone with a Pentium, but not many others.

 

I don't know how the IPC improvement is quantified, but depending on the benchmark used, Skylake is between 0% and 20% faster than Haswell. Sometimes there's no difference, sometimes it's a surprising difference. Game benchmarks aren't an indication of very much, as most aren't sensitive enough to high-end CPUs for it to matter anyway.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/12

 

The problem with Skylake is pricing, not that it isn't somewhat better. $280 for an i5-6600K and $420 for an i7-6700K are absurd prices. If those prices came down to match the MSRP more closely, Skylake vs. Haswell wouldn't even be a question anymore.