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Volkswagen Ordered To Recall 500,000 cars, Faces $18 Billion Fine Over Emissions Defeating Software

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unless negative energy mass shows up the human race pretty much cant leave...(and thats assuming warp drives dont require impossible energy requirements like energy equivalent to mass bigger than our whole planet)

 

We could theoretically colonize mars and the moon - although the latter will never have an atmosphere. Some jupiter moons could also be rendered habitable with proper technological support.

 

As for interstellar travel, the truth is nobody knows if it's possible or not. Faster than light travel as we imagine it has been proven impossible by Einstein, but it has also been proven that particles can be in multiple places at once. Teleport could be a thing for all we know.

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lets make the assumption it is. chances are we will destroy ourselves with nuclear war first...

Possible. Although it's possible humanity would survive somehow.

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Possible. Although it's possible humanity would survive somehow.

i should disclose out of fairness. that i dont consider death the end so if all or most of us died of nuclear war. well i wouldnt these imperfect human body anymore. 

 

also from your viewpoint nuclear war would probably mean less people to share the planet and newer smaller poliltical systems.

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also from your viewpoint nuclear war would probably mean less people to share the planet and newer smaller poliltical systems.

Well done in your estimations sir.

 

I am indeed of the belief that giant political systems, like China, Russia, the US, Canada (to a lesser extent.) are doomed to extinction, because they're just too large to be supported. Nor can they accurately represent of the enormous amount of people that live under them.

 

Just look at all the "tiny" countries that are doing FAR better than any of the above mentioned countries.

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what is even the point if the emission control systems are there  :blink: I doubt most VW customers care much about slightly higher performance

It's not about performance it's about higher wear of engine parts.

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Well done in your estimations sir.

 

I am indeed of the belief that giant political systems, like China, Russia, the US, Canada (to a lesser extent.) are doomed to extinction, because they're just too large to be supported. Nor can they accurately represent of the enormous amount of people that live under them.

 

Just look at all the "tiny" countries that are doing FAR better than any of the above mentioned countries.

and their approaches could work in the us people agreed to them. for example norway. higher taxes yes but costs regarding education(all the way up to uni/college), living with disabilities, health,necessities etc compensate for it. Luxuries are luxuries if they cost more so be it. thing is big western countries like us,oz,uk, etc are full of complainers who dont wanna pay tax...

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and their approaches could work in the us people agreed to them. for example norway. higher taxes yes but costs regarding education(all the way up to uni/college), living with disabilities, health,necessities etc compensate for it. thing is big western countries like us,oz,uk, etc are full of complainers who dont wanna pay tax...

Nobody wants to pay taxes lol.

 

The problem is, that in the US. If you raise taxes on either everyone(including the rich), or the rich, prices just go up. What we need to do, is put a profit margin cap on all companies, and say that 50% of the profit margin must be equally distributed to all employees (of that company)

 

I dunno. I favor a mix of capitalism and socialism. Basically socialism fueled by capitalism, instead of being fueled by government.

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Good on VW. Software to put a check in the box without hurting my cars performance. I approve!

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Read about this and I don't quite believe it. I believe that emissions are higher but 40 times? I'm skeptical about that part. Not to offend anyone, but it's ironical when the US tells you that your cars are producing too much pollution.

 

The limits for carbon monoxide and NOx are such low concentrations (measured in parts per million) that 40x is actually not far fetched IMO.

 

I don't find it ironic that it is a US agency calling out VW on this matter, at all. The US domestic car market was the first to introduce mandated air pumps, catalytic converters, exhaust gas re-circulation valves, unleaded fuel, urea systems for diesel, active oxygen sensor air/fuel control feedback...the list goes on and on! 40 years ago we didn't begin stuffing every catalytic converter with thousands of dollars worth of precious metals because that is cool, but because brown clouds and ozone holes over populated cities are not cool.

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Just an FYI, for those who have no knowledge of Earth's history, climate change has happened before, before humanity existed for that matter. It IS a naturally occurring process.

It has never happened this fast, which is why it is worrying, species won't have time to adapt.

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It has never happened this fast, which is why it is worrying, species won't have time to adapt.

Considering we are talking about a time scale of billions of years, I find it hard to believe that they can accurately say "it's never happened this fast". Also, Just because it's happening this fast, doesn't mean it's our fault entirely, nor is it an accurate way to gauge how much effect we've had.

 

Again, I'm not saying we aren't contributing, I'm just skeptical of the amount of contribution they say we've had. And as for animals, The animals we need to remain alive in order for our own survival, we will likely do one of two things.

 

Adapt the animals to our needs

 

Or

 

Adapt living environments to house and raise said animals

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Considering we are talking about a time scale of billions of years, I find it hard to believe that they can accurately say "it's never happened this fast".

 

Also, Just because it's happening this fast, doesn't mean it's our fault entirely, nor is it an accurate way to gauge how much effect we've had.

Even IF it wasn't our fault entirely, it doesn't change anything about what needs to be done. Oceans absorb a lot of CO2, but the warmer they get, the less they can absorb, permafrost is thawing and releasing even more green house gases, polar ice reflects light/energy/heat back into space and it's melting away, water vapor has a green house effect and warmer air can absorb more of it. It's a chain reaction that is only starting.

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Even IF it wasn't our fault entirely, it doesn't change anything about what needs to be done. Oceans absorb a lot of CO2, but the warmer they get, the less they can absorb, permafrost is thawing and releasing even more green house gases, polar ice reflects light/energy/heat back into space and it's melting away, water vapor has a green house effect and warmer air can absorb more of it. It's a chain reaction that is only starting.

Agreed, but what to do about it? Cutting emissions will only slow it. If we really wanted to take care of greenhouse gasses, we would need to scrub the atmosphere to allow things to cool down.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for massive Atmosphere Scrubbers like something out of a Sci-fi movie or game. It would look awesome, be a massive public works project and create a metric ass ton of jobs, to build, operate, and maintain.

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It's a good thing you two don't keep track of how many recalls GM, Toyota (especially these asswipes) do. The numbers are in millions.

Toyota even released an entire series where the throttle would get stuck and that was just a few years ago...

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Agreed, but what to do about it? Cutting emissions will only slow it. If we really wanted to take care of greenhouse gasses, we would need to scrub the atmosphere to allow things to cool down.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for massive Atmosphere Scrubbers like something out of a Sci-fi movie or game. It would look awesome, be a massive public works project and create a metric ass ton of jobs, to build, operate, and maintain.

Carbon sequestration is what your thinking and its issue is if it went wrong on earth...it would killed an entire area in minutes. the reason we know is a volcano did the same effect it would and just that happened...

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Agreed, but what to do about it? Cutting emissions will only slow it. If we really wanted to take care of greenhouse gasses, we would need to scrub the atmosphere to allow things to cool down.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for massive Atmosphere Scrubbers like something out of a Sci-fi movie or game. It would look awesome, be a massive public works project and create a metric ass ton of jobs, to build, operate, and maintain.

I also think that reducing emissions might not have significant impact and it might be too late, and that all it will do is limit how bad it gets or buy us some time. As to a solution I'm not sure, we might just have to deal with the consequences.

 

The CO2 is already in the atmosphere and making earth accumulate heat. Even if we completely stopped producing emissions, which would be desastruous, it wouldn't just disapear, by this point we need something to reduce the green house effect or the amount of sunlight that gets to us.

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Getting the PCM flashed will not only take away power and MPG, but reduce the longevity of the engine and other systems like DPF and catalyst filters. Very expensive emissions parts.

And people wonder why diesel will never pick up in America. Even trucks now. Best example is the Ford powerstroke. Post 7.3 people were running into reliability issues. They started ripping off the emissions stuff on the 6.0 and after you did that it was a decent motor. I don't think you can take off most if not all of the emissions systems on the new 6.4.

I recently got a recall notice about the 2010 Mazda 3 I just bought. Essentially the same thing, the car wasn't meeting PZEV standards that they advertised it at and they want to flash the PCM. Which means reduced power. Needless to say I'm not going to have them "fix" it.

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Carbon sequestration is what your thinking and its issue is if it went wrong on earth...it would killed an entire area in minutes. the reason we know is a volcano did the same effect it would and just that happened...

Scrub it from the atmosphere and re-use it for something.

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Getting the PCM flashed will not only take away power and MPG, but reduce the longevity of the engine and other systems like DPF and catalyst filters. Very expensive emissions parts.

 

It should add mpg because the mixture will be leaner. 

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It should add mpg because the mixture will be leaner.

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I'm not a diesel tech. So I'm going by what I read.

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Yeah, that tends to be the gist of what I'm reading. I'm debating how much of a selfish jerk I want to be by potentially ignoring the inevitable recall on my 2012 VW Jetta TDI... *sigh*

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wow that is like 6-7 quarters worth of profit there gone

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