AMD's Zen architecture will be late

[VagabondWraith]

Always Making Delays.

[crystal6tak]

Given that Zen still won't be able to compete with whatever Intel has when it's released (It only competes with what, haswell? ivy bridge?)... We'll probably only see real competition at late 2017 or even 2018  

[Icecube26]

havent heard of this site before...yeah right.... another site saying something without any prooff... if its not confirmed by AMD themselves... its just another rumor... and OFC LTT comunity believes every single thing some random site posts... #Facepalm

[Lazmarr]

source: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150910PD202.html

 

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not only that, but it's known that Zen will 1st make an appearance on the server segment - that means it will arrive on desktop roughly in Q2 2017

oh AMD .. you so silly 

Now what if they release simultaneously on both markets?

[You_are_a_cunt]

Let me get my shovel so I can bash some skulls in and/or help AMD dig deeper

[zMeul]

Now what if they release simultaneously on both markets?

another paper launch? yeah sure, why not  :lol:

[bogus]

Reputation. Nvidia has been more reliable and better performing most of the time. And even in current market Nvidia are not behind AMD in price/performance, but they provide nice things like Shadowplay, Shield.

 

That's a problem of public perception - people buy into that illusion that NVIDIA had been more reliable and better peforming, when in reality they had way dire problems with their GPUs and the performance has been back and forth with AMD in terms of the TOP TIER CARDS, all the rest is on par.

[ZetZet]

That's a problem of public perception - people buy into that illusion that NVIDIA had been more reliable and better peforming, when in reality they had way dire problems with their GPUs and the performance has been back and forth with AMD in terms of the TOP TIER CARDS, all the rest is on par.

ATI had drivers that were so shit they still haven't made up to this day.

[Misanthrope]

ATI had drivers that were so shit they still haven't made up to this day.

 

Nvidia had atrocious drivers people conveniently forget too so that's not it.

[ZetZet]

 

Nvidia had atrocious drivers people conveniently forget too so that's not it.

They had SOME atrocious drivers. ATI drivers were ALL shit for a while. It's like eating an old apple, if it's a little brown in some places you just ignore it, if it's all rotten you can't really ignore it.

[Misanthrope]

They had SOME atrocious drivers. ATI drivers were ALL shit for a while. It's like eating an old apple, if it's a little brown in some places you just ignore it, if it's all rotten you can't really ignore it.

This is ridiculously subjective without pointing out specific drivers and the issues that made em "atrocious" So I refuse to continue discussing this other than to say I disagree.

[zMeul]

This is ridiculously subjective without pointing out specific drivers and the issues that made em "atrocious" So I refuse to continue discussing this other than to say I disagree.

the time ATi jumped on .NET platform - the CCC was utter shit, if it worked

 

or, how about VPU Recover that ATi insisted leaving it on by default although it was known to create problems

[kacper]

Anyone know how does Intel 14nm compare to GloFo?

[Trik'Stari]

[SpaghettiCarbonara]

They had SOME atrocious drivers. ATI drivers were ALL shit for a while. It's like eating an old apple, if it's a little brown in some places you just ignore it, if it's all rotten you can't really ignore it.

This is ridiculously subjective without pointing out specific drivers and the issues that made em "atrocious" So I refuse to continue discussing this other than to say I disagree.

 

Just thought I'd chime in here. Other possible reasons off the top of my head:

1. The idea 'more expensive = more better'. We all know this is wrong, many being shafted ourselves.
2. Word of mouth. If who's-it of who-cares says Nvidia cards are good, who's-it's friend will buy Nvidia cards because he 'knows' them. When Nvidia has anything above 50% market share, I'd imagine this would make it snowball a bit. A lot of the gaming world is governed by word of mouth, so is the tech enthusiast world - the only reason many of us buy certain pieces of hardware is because someone else on here personally recommended it. Fanboys
3. Naming schemes. Back in the 7000 series days and earlier, that shit was complicated. When it was Radeon 7850/7870/7950/7970 vs GTX 660/660ti/670/680, I'd imagine less numbers = less confusing and easier to feel comfortable with, thus easier to spend money on. This might explain why AMD switched to the R# ### format.
4. The market share itself. If your average guy off the street sees how many people are buying Nvidia cards, he might be inclined to think Nvidia cards are better, because everyone else is buying them.

[patrickjp93]

They beat everything Intel has on fpoint anyways.

Until real world performance gets involved. Even Intel's current Xeon Phi outperform AMD's FirePro offerings, and KNL triples the performance of current offerings, not to mention coming in socket and PCIe card forms.

[patrickjp93]

havent heard of this site before...yeah right.... another site saying something without any prooff... if its not confirmed by AMD themselves... its just another rumor... and OFC LTT comunity believes every single thing some random site posts... #Facepalm

If you haven't heard of digitimes, they're one of the most prominent and most trusted tech news sites in existence, and it's your own fault.

 

 

Anyone know how does Intel 14nm compare to GloFo?

 

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/3884-who-will-lead-10nm.html

 

~30% denser/better.

[ivan134]

Reputation. Nvidia has been more reliable and better performing most of the time. And even in current market Nvidia are not behind AMD in price/performance, but they provide nice things like Shadowplay, Shield.

Did you just get into PC gaming yesterday? None of what you said is even remotely true.

[FunkyFeatures]

I wonder if there will be a rebrand between current AMD processors and Zen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 

[ivan134]

Given that Zen still won't be able to compete with whatever Intel has when it's released (It only competes with what, haswell? ivy bridge?)... We'll probably only see real competition at late 2017 or even 2018  

Oh? Can you show us those benchmarks?

[Notional]

Until real world performance gets involved. Even Intel's current Xeon Phi outperform AMD's FirePro offerings, and KNL triples the performance of current offerings, not to mention coming in socket and PCIe card forms.

 

Of course. The newest FirePro is based on a what 18 month old card now? Hawaii is old. The only reason Fiji is not a firepro is the low amount of VRam. Let's see next year, when we can get 32GB of HBM Greenland FirePro's.

[bogus]

ATI had drivers that were so shit they still haven't made up to this day.

The level of ignorance of this post shows it's not worth to keep this discussion.

[Clyne]

And I was hoping for a Zen release next year....oh well at least Skylake will be a decent upgrade over my FX 8320.

[rjfaber91]

I wonder if there will be a rebrand between current AMD processors and Zen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 

 

I'm still hoping they'll call them Phenom III instead of FX4...

[ltguy]

Stop beating a dead horse. AMD that is. Let AMD RIP like my sig has always said.