So Why Is Apple "The best" in some peoples eyes?

[Yoinkerman]

I must be dumb then

 

You can't tell me you don't know these people.  

[ShadowCaptain]

You can't tell me you don't know these people.  

 

There are dumb people that build gaming PCs, .. people are dumb, people are ignorant, 

 

I also know people who did computer science at university, got their masters degree, and now earn 4x my wage working for major banks

 

I also know my brother who works for Jaguar designing cars, and uses macs......

[ShadowCaptain]

Everyone!  Point at this guy!  Laugh at him!  Laugh at him!  /s

 

 

We mean people who don't need Apple products, but buy them because a celebrity uses it who also doesn't utilize the technology/has a reason for it.  Aka the Jobs over Woz approach.

 

I bought my £11000 car because it looked nice and had a nice stereo... and I work less than a mile from my job.....

 

so what.. you dont always have to buy the cheapest or most cost effective thing, I would genuinely buy the new low powered macbook purely on the basis thats its really cute and is really nice

[Yoinkerman]

There are dumb people that build gaming PCs, .. people are dumb, people are ignorant, 

 

I also know people who did computer science at university, got their masters degree, and now earn 4x my wage working for major banks

 

I also know my brother who works for Jaguar designing cars, and uses macs......

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.  It's like you're projecting things I haven't said onto me.

[TheConverter]

I also know people who did computer science at university, got their masters degree, and now earn 4x my wage working for major banks

I also know my brother who works for Jaguar designing cars, and uses macs......

 

Kinda ironic how those people have a big salary still use a device with worse performance then mine.

[ShadowCaptain]

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.  It's like you're projecting things I haven't said onto me.

 

You said "you must know some people like that" and I was saying, yes, but they happen in every catagory

 

Kinda ironic how those people have a big salary still use a device with worse performance then mine.

Performance does not equal everything 

[Guest]

Kinda ironic how those people have a big salary still use a device with worse performance then mine.

 

Well, that depends on how you define performance. 

 

You will most likely define it as your 1080p ultra 60fps, no? 

 

Well, they might define it as having software (both their work applications and the OS) which allows maximum productivity. Performance is not always dependent on hardware, software plays a part too. 

[TheConverter]

Performance does not equal everything 

 

Well what else? I have Yosemite installed on my PC, there is no Imac that can do better then my build.

[TheConverter]

Well, that depends on how you define performance. 

 

You will most likely define it as your 1080p ultra 60fps, no? 

 

Well, they might define it as having software (both their work applications and the OS) which allows maximum productivity. Performance is not always dependent on hardware, software plays a part too. 

 

1080P 60FPS? What is this? 2008?

 

And bro, how many times do I have to say that I have Yosemite installed on my PC (for Logic Pro)

[Guest]

1080P 60FPS? What is this? 2008?

 

And bro, how many times do I have to say that I have Yosemite installed on my PC (for Logic Pro)

 

Within a workplace, which is what you were quoting on (ShadowCaptain's reply to how less knowledgeable people use Apple products), saying that with their high salaries they're using systems which costs so much with less performance, hackintosh may not be viable. 

 

You have to realise that within a workplace, all of those systems have to be managed (maintenance, updates, security etc.) and so if their companies software is designed for Mac OS, having tens possibly hundreds of hackintosh systems, isn't really going to be an easy task to manage. 

[Robi_g]

You don't have to faff around with a C compiler like you do in windows. It just works on a mac.

There's also the build quality, the nice display, the keyboards and touchpads work really well.

Also, most people who buy apple products don't care about the price, if they pay X amount and get something that just works and is of a high build quality then it was money well spent. And save from people who are actually into PCs (which is a much smaller number than the internet suggests) who even upgrades parts?

 

-edit- I don't actually own any apple products

[Guest]

And, you'd have to have all machines the same with very particular hardware in to agree with hackintosh software.

 

Yes. And so, companies that prefer Mac OS for productivity, security, update reasons etc., will use Macs... 

[DarkRift5]

Apple things are shiny. People like shiny things. Status symbol-think like a Ferrari (although Ferraris have a better justification IMO )

$800 for the Apple Watch is highway robbery compared to stuff like the Pebble, but people (my dad and step-mom included) buy it no matter what. My computer cost the same as my dad's iMac and completely annihilates it - but he doesn't care. They're products for people that can't really be bothered to do their own electronics work/research. Look at the Android market for example- there are a few really good phones like the S6 or G4, but also some really bad Chinese knockoffs you have to watch out for. With the iPhone, you know you're always going to get a quality product (well, except the 5C-I still don't know WTF they were thinking with that cheapo plastic atrocity). Now, I don't mind doing that extra research on phones and I game on PC so Windows is sort of locked in anyways (I don't really want to change it either, if it ain't broke don't fix it), but some people don't. I also do see the appeal of a whole Apple "ecosystem-" getting messages across all your devices is cool, and there are things that are out-of-the-box that take some work to get set up on Windows/Android/others.

 

And yeah, they're overpriced. But you usually get what you pay for in tech, and their build quality and associated things are impeccable.

And that kids, is how Apple became the world's most valuable brand.

 

[TheConverter]

Yes. And so, companies that prefer Mac OS for productivity, security, update reasons etc., will use Macs... 

 

Ok bro. Let's look at LMG.

It would take nearly 3 times as much to edit and render the same video on Imac 5k's then on their current workstations.

How the fuck is that "productivity"

[Guest]

Ok bro. Let's look at LMG.

 

It would take nearly 3 times as much to edit and render the same video on Imac 5k's then on their current workstations.

 

How the fuck is that "productivity"

 

Because not all companies are rendering videos. Which is why LMG don't use Macs, and why any similar company probably wouldn't choose Macs. 

[s3ns3]

well you can`t argue with the design and build quality. and in phones at least the iphone is the golden standard

[Tedster]

I guess because Apple just has this air around them of 'this is heavenly' or 'this is it'.

It helps because everything Apple is unified and supposedly just works.

[TheConverter]

And because LMG know that generally, to get the performance they wanted, they'd be overpaying.

 

Buying a Apple product is the same as buying a Alienware.

[Guest]

Ok bro. Let's look at LMG.

It would take nearly 3 times as much to edit and render the same video on Imac 5k's then on their current workstations.

How the fuck is that "productivity"

It will entirely depend on what work you'd do on a Mac

Most companies that use Macs are Banks for  the security and efficiency it has when they record data

Macs also have cheap license fees for businesses that use servers, but this applies to growing companies though

And most companies have macs because they'll require less IT consultants because problems are easier to solve (and Apple support is still one of the best)

[TheConverter]

It will entirely depend on what work you'd do on a Mac

Most companies that use Macs are Banks for  the security and efficiency it has when they record data

Macs also have cheap license fees for businesses that use servers, but this applies to growing companies though

And most companies have macs because they'll require less IT consultants because problems are easier to solve (and Apple support is still one of the best)

 

Maybe in US but in Europe Apple isn't as big.

[Guest]

Maybe in US but in Europe Apple isn't as big.

Well, I don't live in Europe nor the US so......yeah

 

Let's go Asia!

[TheConverter]

Well, I don't live in Europe nor the US so......yeah

 

Let's go Asia!

Hey atleast Asia is better then US, so fine with me.

[SkulD]

Please don't ignorantly bash apple/windows

This is more of a discussion thread just to understand a bit better.

My dad is an apple lover. He calls himself an apple guy. He has an iphone 6, ipad air 2, macbook pro, apple TV, and is planning to get an apple watch.. He's also waiting on the new apple TV, and is going to buy an iMac as well.

He was going to buy an apple router+expressport, but luckily I stopped him from doing that, by showing him a 10x better router for $30 cheaper.

Anyways, he is always saying his macbook is this and that, and there is some uneducated points he makes which got me thinking.

Why do people just deem apple the best?

Their support is clearly amazing. My dad took his macbook to the apple store recently cause he thought his hard drive was slow. They took about 2hours and didn't charge a dime, plus gave him some advice on why his system was slower than usual.

But for me, I built a $964 desktop and, spec wise, im beating the high-end iMac by a long shot. Plus, I'm not tied to a GPU I can't upgrade.

Like, im fucking confused.. Are people just drawn to the design and simplicity?

Is it because there are more "average" users than users who need the extra 3 gb of vRam and 2ghz more processor speed?

Please state your opinion!

Apple products aim at the average consumer, of average intelligence (thats why they are so easy to use), so the market is huge.

[Quiver]

First of all, lots of people think Macs are the best for creative work, because for a long time, they were. In the early 2000s Apple was the largest video editing supplier in the world, with iMovie being the first real consumer video editing option, and Final Cut making a splash on the professional side of things. Even outside of official Apple applications, Premiere and After Effects started out as Mac applications. This changed with Adobe catching up to them and the FCP X debacle of 2011. That vague air still resides around Macs, despite powerful custom built PCs making more sense if you plan on using Adobe products -- you can't even get an nVidia GPU in a Mac Pro, for instance.

 

Now, aside from that, ultimately I feel like Apple leaves behind standards that make sense just a little bit later, but they shoot themselves in the foot at first. The new MacBook could have made a splash if they would have waited until more Chrome books adopted USB C and went "Hey. You know USB C? We've got it in a Mac." Likewise, Apple keeps trying to come up with their own I/O and it hasn't worked out since USB caught up with FireWire. Thunderbolt was largely dead on arrival -- lots of people instead opting to plug in a MiniDisplay Port adapter for a second monitor.

 

Now, I don't hate Apple, I used a Mac mini as my main computer from 2013 until a couple of months ago. I just wanted to air some grievances with the direction they've gone in post-Jobs and Forstall. I have two iPod Touches, they're great, aside from the bloated application (Even the most die hard of Apple fans can agree with that), iTunes is one of the best digital distribution methods. It's just that couple with them sacrificing substance for style, or sometimes for nothing at all on more than one occasion, and generally wanting to do different things that OS X is not exactly strong at doing, I'm kind of done with them as far as computers go.

[TheConverter]

First of all, lots of people think Macs are the best for creative work, because for a long time, they were. In the early 2000s Apple was the largest video editing supplier in the world, with iMovie being the first real consumer video editing option, and Final Cut making a splash on the professional side of things. Even outside of official Apple applications, Premiere and After Effects started out as Mac applications. This changed with Adobe catching up to them and the FCP X debacle of 2011. That vague air still resides around Macs, despite powerful custom built PCs making more sense if you plan on using Adobe products -- you can't even get an nVidia GPU in a Mac Pro, for instance.

 

 

 

With the Adobe suite being the industry standard, people still say that Apple products are "better for creative work".