Skylake is a Waste Of Money

[Joe11221]

Skylake is now out and not much better, lol, it only has 8mb cache which 4770k has and is 4ghz with turbo boost same with 6700k, main difference is new motherboard with ddr4 and ddr3l support, which is laptop ram so, people that are upgrading from a previous desktop can't really use their old ram, big difference on lga 1151 motherboards now though, usb 3.1 type C support which is 10gbs and new m.2 socket with 10gbs read/write speed for SSD, Oh and almost all new motherboards can now support 4 way sli, as in haswell motherboards only high end motherboards support 4 way sli. But who needs 4 Graphic cards anyway, If they're a graphics designer and need 4 gpu's they would not be getting consumer processors and rather be getting Haswell-E (E standing for enthusiast) and Haswell-E is way superior than Skylake as the i7-5820k has 15mb l3 cache and 4mb l2 cache which is crazy, and for the $380 price point of the Haswell-E i7-5820k I don't understand why people wouldn't get that as also, the X99 Chipset Gaming motherboards range around $200-$300 which support 4 way sli and has 8 DDR4 Dims, I honestly think the hype about Skylake was way over the top. I honestly think Skylake is overrated and intel messed up on this generation. Let me know what you think in the comments below!

[Oberon.Smite]

Wow thanks for that info that everyone already knew.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

Wow thanks for that info that everyone already knew.

apperantly he didnt know

[007agentHP]

skylake is for those who either don't have a pc to upgrade from or are upgrading from sandy bridge and below, where there will be 30-35% performance increases. skylake is not meant for a haswell user upgrade.

[The Pizza Thief]

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Is this your final answer? 

 

Also, please change the color to automatic, you copied and pasted this from another page didn't you ?

[dizmo]

I disagree.

Look at it as if you're buying a new computer, not as if you're upgrading. Not everyone is going to be upgrading from the latest generation processor, and to be perfectly blunt there hasn't really been a reason to upgrade from the last gen for quite a while.

There are quite a few new features. It looks pretty nice. Is it Haswell-E, no, but it's also not meant to be. It has a much higher clock then those chips, and will deliver better gaming performance.

Does Haswell-E really have more overclocking abilities? First time I've heard that one.

[Joe11221]

Is this your final answer? 

 

Also, please change the color to automatic, you copied and pasted this from another page didn't you ?

I copied and pasted this from an email I was writing to someone... I just though it would be a good forum post

[Exploded117]

You just noticed this now? Even with the rumors they weren't stacking up to be absolutely amazing.

 

Also, Intel doesn't have to revolutionize with every generation of chips. They have like, literally no competition at the high-end. That's why they haven't been pushing out products that frequently. No competition. Which is bad for the market and the consumer. The real people we should be blaming here is AMD (and IBM because believe it or not they're still making CPUs.).

[runmymouth]

I was going to get skylake. Then I walked into micro center and got the 5820k for $299. Had to pay $230 after mail in rebate for the x99 board I wanted but it wasn't that much more expensive than I was going to pay for a Z170 board. I kind of agree. Should note I overclocked it to 4.4ghz stable without a whole lot of tuning. I lost the chip lottery so its 1.3 for 4.4 instead of 1.3 for 4.6. 

[Joe11221]

I disagree.

Look at it as if you're buying a new computer, not as if you're upgrading. Not everyone is going to be upgrading from the latest generation processor, and to be perfectly blunt there hasn't really been a reason to upgrade from the last gen for quite a while.

There are quite a few new features. It looks pretty nice. Is it Haswell-E, no, but it's also not meant to be. It has a much higher clock then those chips, and will deliver better gaming performance.

Does Haswell-E really have more overclocking abilities? First time I've heard that one.

Good point, thanks for actually explaining something rather than making stupid comments.

[typographie]

I honestly think the hype about Skylake was way over the top. I honestly think Skylake is overrated and intel messed up on this generation.

First of all, what hype? I see people complaining about it way more than I see "hype" about it.

 

Secondly, Intel didn't "mess up," this is how the last 3-4 generations of Intel products have been. 5-10% IPC improvement over the previous, maybe a few new chipset features. That's it. Anyone with a Haswell-based system who thought Skylake might be a cost-effective upgrade for them hasn't been paying attention.

 

Skylake is a good upgrade for someone with a Nehalem or Sandy Bridge system, because those 5-10% improvements have finally started to add up to something over four or five years.

[G33k 4 L1F3]

mkay then....I I sense great negative feedback on this post....copy paste much? haha...

 

 

But not everyone here is going to agree...the skylake is great for those looking for a new build, a first build, a new project, a good up-to-date project, and just to say they owned skylake.

 

Is it good enough to say jump on the bandwagon? PFFFT*......Don't make me laugh.

 

In upgrade terms it's sorta a joke, but hey, they try....and no company always succeeds.

[iHardware Shelden]

All I will say is if I want USB 3.1/USB C I will just pick up an expansion card. I don't have the need for the extra PCI lanes and hence for not needing to upgrade. It depends on the user tbh but all I know is that my FX 6300 is more than enough for me currently. 

[NumLock21]

Those who are running Sandy Bridge and before, will see a great improvement when they move over Skylake, but those who are on Haswell, will not see any major improvements at all. The only upgrade Haswell users will get from Skylake is additional lanes, so they can run multiple M.2 drives, and M.2 itself has been updated to run at x4, where previously it's limited to x2.

[-rascal-]

Skylake is now out and not much better, lol, it only has 8mb cache which 4770k has and is 4ghz with turbo boost same with 6700k, main difference is new motherboard with ddr4 and ddr3l support, which is laptop ram so, people that are upgrading from a previous desktop can't really use their old ram, big difference on lga 1151 motherboards now though, usb 3.1 type C support which is 10gbs and new m.2 socket with 10gbs read/write speed for SSD, Oh and almost all new motherboards can now support 4 way sli, as in haswell motherboards only high end motherboards support 4 way sli. But who needs 4 Graphic cards anyway, If they're a graphics designer and need 4 gpu's they would not be getting consumer processors and rather be getting Haswell-E (E standing for enthusiast) and Haswell-E is way superior than Skylake as the i7-5820k has 15mb l3 cache and 4mb l2 cache which is crazy, and for the $380 price point of the Haswell-E i7-5820k I don't understand why people wouldn't get that as also, the X99 Chipset Gaming motherboards range around $200-$300 which support 4 way sli and has 8 DDR4 Dims, I honestly think the hype about Skylake was way over the top. I honestly think Skylake is overrated and intel messed up on this generation. Let me know what you think in the comments below!

 

• You cannot say a CPU is better by looking at the amount of L3 cache it has. For an example, AMD's FX Processors.
• DDR3L is not laptop RAM. The "L" stand for low voltage. Laptop RAM is SO-DIMM -- different form factor.
• Z87 and Z97 cannot natively support 4-way SLI when the CPU can only provide a maximum of 16 PCI-E 3.0 lanes. Same goes for "Broadwell" and "Skylake."
• "Haswell-E" is the Enthusiast platform on X99. "Skylake" is the Mainstream platform. If you were to compare "Haswell-E," compare it to "Skylake-E" on X199 or whatever it is.
• X99 costs more because more R&D time is put into the platform. The Extreme i7 Processors had to go through more vigorous testing before Intel releases them. As you said, X99 is used by people such as graphic designers, higher performance computing, simulations...where calculation errors may not be acceptable / can ruin months of work.
• The media and the consumers had high expectations....because Intel advertised there will be up to a 30% improvement in gaming. Key word, "up to."

My two cents on this.

[Glenwing]

If the i7-6700K is barely any better than the 4770K, that makes it a waste of money for 4770K owners. Not for everyone.

[Nena Trinity]

It feels like a re-brand but is not...

[Crowes]

Skylake is the DLC of the CPU world. You can easily ignore it.

[miribus]

skylake is for those who either don't have a pc to upgrade from or are upgrading from sandy bridge and below, where there will be 30-35% performance increases. skylake is not meant for a haswell user upgrade.

Agreed, as a rule any processor upgrade within 3yrs of the other, especially if you're going back into the same price point is going to be a marginal improvement for you.

The real good stuff actually happens on the lower end where you can get the same performance as before at 1/3rd or less the wattage.  Integrated graphics improvement could be signiicant if that matters but if you already have discrete graphics it doesn't.

 

I usually go about 5 yrs between upgrades to see any distinct improvement unless the processor has a feature I must have... say more memory that I actually require and will actually use, more power efficiency (better laptop battery) or things like better virtualization support.  If you're talking raw CPU power you could do with a Core 2 Quad in all reality and still play most games well if your card is up to snuff.

 

My 'gaming' desktop is still a 1st Gen Nehalem (i7-920) and I've had no problems playing anything with my HD7850, except for what the 7850 can't handle.

 

That said, that i7-920 needs 120W to do what a ~45W haswell and probably a 30W skylake can do.  <--- That is the real advantage, if/when it matters to your setup.

 

For example:  My old i3 "arrandale" laptop had "Intel HD" graphics, it was garbage.  From what I could tell, Sandy or Ivy wasn't much better.

Haswell... I just played Mass Effect 3 on a 15W i5-4210U.  That is not insignificant, on integrated graphics.  But again, that is where the upgrade mattered to me, but probably not to you.

 

If you're building brand new, sure go Skylake, why not?  Or go cheaper with people jumping to Skylake and get a haswell or even Sandy/Ivy on the cheap, pop in a GFX card and at worst you'll be slightly worse power efficient than someone's Skylake.  If it's discrete graphics, and it's a desktop anyway, power savings probably doesn't matter much.

 

Simply take that methodology and apply it to the next generation, and the next, then decide what matters.  As far as "already knowing this" is concerned, I'm glad to see your post, more people need to understand what they're buying assuming it is some big difference when it often isn't.

[swifty7]

I was really looking forward to Skylake to upgrade from my 2500k Sandy.   But now I think I will just upgrade to Haswell 4670k and save myself tons of money, not to mention system ram.  If only Intel or Nvidia had proper competition.

 

WAKE UP AMD......WAKE THE F'K UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[harrynowl]

Skylake isn't an upgrade intended for Haswell users.

[KWelz]

No offense but you are showing your ignorance.   

 

What exactly were you expecting?   A doubling in performance?   It is no different than any other release from intel, nvidia, AMD, Etc.    

 

You are not supposed to upgrade every generation.   It takes something truly ground breaking to justify upgrading to the next generation. 

 

The Skylake series are good processors that bring updated performance and some nice new features to the market.  Someone on a 2XXX or older series processor will probably want to upgrade.  The rest of us are just fine and intel knows this. 

[miribus]

New processor iterations really only matter the most on 3 levels.  The most powerful, the most power efficient, the most peripheral features.
Look at the context of the benchmarks carefully, and know what performance you want before you spend the money.  I think sometimes people buy new hardware just not to be on the bottom of a perceived totem pole.  Updating for the sake of it because if they don't they'll miss out on some secret Skylake party.

Even if your CPU is old, if it is not actually hindering you, why upgrade?  Upgrade when your system can't do what you want it to.

[timory]

But epeen...

[JoshB2084]

Skylake isn't an upgrade intended for Haswell users.

 

Worth upgrade for AMD users like me. *stare my 5 years old AMD system*