Rescue Greece through Indiegogo Crowdfunding

[spartaman64]

Greece can go bankrupt themselves, no one gives two shits about people who work <4 Hours a day.

its not the people's fault its the prime minister's and no they work more than 4 hours a day

[alexnt]

Greece can go bankrupt themselves, no one gives two shits about people who work <4 Hours a day.

I'm from Greece my friend and I can tell you that you know nothing about the situation here. I work 8 hours + per day and I get 400€ per month without stamps which means that if I get sick I have to pay the doctor from my money and of course that I wont get pension when I retire. They want to raise the retirement age to 67 years old. It is not the people of Greece who created that situation but the corrupt political system of the last 40 years and was supported by the few rich.

[Fred Castellum]

I'm from Greece my friend and I can tell you that you know nothing about the situation here. I work 8 hours + per day and I get 400€ per month without stamps which means that if I get sick I have to pay the doctor from my money and of course that I wont get pension when I retire. They want to raise the retirement age to 67 years old. It is not the people of Greece who created that situation but the corrupt political system of the last 40 years and was supported by the few rich.

Time for a clean reformation mate. Best of luck, I'm rooting for you guys.

[CaptainGazzz]

The Eu could have easily given Greece a bailout, but they didn't. If we give them money now, we will need to do the same in a few years. Greece needs to sort out their situation and pay back their debt.

[spartaman64]

i dont think they will raise the money needed but i feel like the primary purpose is raising awareness and they are succeeding as we are talking about it here 

[Notional]

This is some of the dumbest I've seen about economics in a LONG time!

 

Greece pretty much owes every single northern/western European, over 1000 $ each (Luxembourg 1814$ each at the highest) resulting in about 339 billion 18 million dollars in debt. And that is just for the euro countries. Then you have non euro countries, and even much much worse, the IMF.

 

If anyone thinks any crowdfunded thing is going to make any change, then they need to stop their SJW gender studies, and study something useful like economics.

 

Greece has made its bed, and now they get to lie in it.

[alexnt]

Time for a clean reformation mate. Best of luck, I'm rooting for you guys.

As half of people are scared and support the past years corrupt politicians I think it 's very very difficult to achieve clean reformation. Media are scaring people and those media are funded by the few rich. It needs all Greeks to be united against them and not to be scared.

[spartaman64]

This is some of the dumbest I've seen about economics in a LONG time!

 

Greece pretty much owes every single northern/western European, over 1000 $ each (Luxembourg 1814$ each at the highest) resulting in about 339 billion 18 million dollars in debt. And that is just for the euro countries. Then you have non euro countries, and even much much worse, the IMF.

 

If anyone thinks any crowdfunded thing is going to make any change, then they need to stop their SJW gender studies, and study something useful like economics.

 

Greece has made its bed, and now they get to lie in it.

the change it makes is not from the money it raises but in how many people becomes aware of what is happening in greece 

[azurezeed]

Impossible to raise that much, not even Star Citizen can raise half of that

[Nineshadow]

The Eu could have easily given Greece a bailout, but they didn't. If we give them money now, we will need to do the same in a few years. Greece needs to sort out their situation and pay back their debt.

But if they had given Greece a bailout it would have set a precedent.

[Fred Castellum]

It is rather surprising how nobody seems to understand how Capitalism works. It is not only at a smaller level but at a larger level as well: Countries are supposed to go bankrup so that the central banks elsewhere can buy most of the country's real state and assets for pennies on the dollar. It has happened in virtually every single Latin American country at one point or another but somehow people think this is different because it's the European Union. It's the same thing except a tad closer to the banker's homes in Europe: most of the assets in the world are controlled by a handful of massively wealthy European bankers.

Thank gensokyo you made a post here...

 

Please for the love of all that's holy let companies that deserve to go bankrupt go BANKRUPT.... Don't make a giant safety net letting these major companies/banks that fucked up know they'll be in the clear and have another go at it again if they're about to go bankrupt. Sure if they go bankrupt the economic landscape will look like shite for a while but people will pick up the pieces and reform for the better if they learned for their earlier mistakes. It makes room for small start-ups and more competition and more competition in a capitalistic country the better.

 

 

As half of people are scared and support the past years corrupt politicians I think it 's very very difficult to achieve clean reformation. Media are scaring people and those media are funded by the few rich. It needs all Greeks to be united against them and not to be scared.

Stand up! The more who stand up and hold their position for others to see the more likely more will join you. Legitimate information about the topic need to be spread by legitimate sources, if no one fights the good fight then the good fight doesn't exist.

[TroubleKlef]

Giving money won't solve the fundamental problems. What Greece needs is a genuine product to sell. Perhaps I am ignorant but all I can think of that comes from Greece is olives. And I'm betting that's not even their major export.

[Notional]

its not the people's fault its the prime minister's and no they work more than 4 hours a day

 

And who elected that prime minister? In a democracy, the people are always at fault for picking corrupt, incompetent politicians.

 

As for awareness. Not sure what the point would be? Greece needs serious reformation. Especially their retirement system is a joke. Corruption is a big issue, and number of people working in the public sector. When you have 3 mayors in a tiny town, and one is more incompetent than the next, then you have an issue.

 

When it's a sport of the people to cheat in taxes, then you have a problem. No one has taken any responsibility in that country for decades now. This is the result, and the people are responsible for it.

 

And what did the Greeks do? Did they take responsibility or did they vote in a COMMUNIST Marxist political party into government? Hint it's not the first part. 

[Fred Castellum]

This is some of the dumbest I've seen about economics in a LONG time!

 

Greece pretty much owes every single northern/western European, over 1000 $ each (Luxembourg 1814$ each at the highest) resulting in about 339 billion 18 million dollars in debt. And that is just for the euro countries. Then you have non euro countries, and even much much worse, the IMF.

 

If anyone thinks any crowdfunded thing is going to make any change, then they need to stop their SJW gender studies, and study something useful like economics.

 

Greece has made its bed, and now they get to lie in it.

Two thumbs up to that! 

[Fred Castellum]

And who elected that prime minister? In a democracy, the people are always at fault for picking corrupt, incompetent politicians.

 

As for awareness. Not sure what the point would be? Greece needs serious reformation. Especially their retirement system is a joke. Corruption is a big issue, and number of people working in the public sector. When you have 3 mayors in a tiny town, and one is more incompetent than the next, then you have an issue.

 

When it's a sport of the people to cheat in taxes, then you have a problem. No one has taken any responsibility in that country for decades now. This is the result, and the people are responsible for it.

 

And what did the Greeks do? Did they take responsibility or did they vote in a COMMUNIST Marxist political party into government? Hint it's not the first part. 

The lack of educated participation in politics thats not for individual gain is painful to see. 

[Centurius]

This is some of the dumbest I've seen about economics in a LONG time!

 

Greece pretty much owes every single northern/western European, over 1000 $ each (Luxembourg 1814$ each at the highest) resulting in about 339 billion 18 million dollars in debt. And that is just for the euro countries. Then you have non euro countries, and even much much worse, the IMF.

 

If anyone thinks any crowdfunded thing is going to make any change, then they need to stop their SJW gender studies, and study something useful like economics.

 

Greece has made its bed, and now they get to lie in it.

A nice theoretical argument to make but it kind of crashes when starving children and people who can't get basic healthcare come into the equations. Conventional economics is a form of brain damage.

[ZetZet]

Here's a thought.

 

Bail out the people, let the politicians and bankers rot (or put them in prison).....where have I heard that before....oh yeah, iceland. AND IT WORKS TOO!

people are part of the problem. they always are.

[Fred Castellum]

A nice theoretical argument to make but it kind of crashes when starving children and people who can't get basic healthcare come into the equations. Conventional economics is a form of brain damage.

It's not impossible for a not so bumpy reformation of Greece. It's all about the way it's delivered, the people have the ability to make it happen. It just falls on them with who they do it.

[Notional]

Oh can you please not insult a whole nation by facts you got right out of your ass? Thanks!

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/dec/08/europe-working-hours

 

Ah yes that infinite lie about Greeks not working. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&language=en&pcode=tps00071 44 hours a week, well above the European average.

 

Notice the efficiency of their work? Yeah that's on ex soviet country levels. Working smart (efficient) is always better than working harder and longer. But both of you need to keep in mind, that working with pointless bureaucracy in the public sector, also adds up the hours, but makes the country poorer. Not paying taxes makes everyone poorer. Still collecting pension/retirement funds from deceased family members, makes everyone poorer.

 

Greece's situation is not the consequence of companies or banks, but of the people and the incompetent politicians they elected, based on impossible promises. The Greek people wanted their cake and to eat it too. Well they ate it, and now they blame everyone else for starving.

[AlexGoesHigh]

It is rather surprising how nobody seems to understand how Capitalism works. It is not only at a smaller level but at a larger level as well: Countries are supposed to go bankrup so that the central banks elsewhere can buy most of the country's real state and assets for pennies on the dollar. It has happened in virtually every single Latin American country at one point or another but somehow people think this is different because it's the European Union. It's the same thing except a tad closer to the banker's homes in Europe: most of the assets in the world are controlled by a handful of massively wealthy European bankers.

then you have venezuela where this year inflation will reach over 100% because a *cough* socialist *cough* government said fuck everything and everyone 15 years ago and lets do it ourselves without having at least some sense of how to do it, where they try to sell oil at market prices that is worthless in quality that nobody wants to buy, combine that with the most corrupted scum you can have in charge and you end up in a situation comparable with countries that have no natural resources to sell despite having amounts to supply the planet for the next 100 years and then some

 

/rant

[TroubleKlef]

Notice the efficiency of their work? Yeah that's on ex soviet country levels. Working smart (efficient) is always better than working harder and longer. But both of you need to keep in mind, that working with pointless bureaucracy in the public sector, also adds up the hours, but makes the country poorer. Not paying taxes makes everyone poorer. Still collecting pension/retirement funds from deceased family members, makes everyone poorer.

 

Greece's situation is not the consequence of companies or banks, but of the people and the incompetent politicians they elected, based on impossible promises. The Greek people wanted their cake and to eat it too. Well they ate it, and now they blame everyone else for starving.

 

With my 5 min reading of Wikipedia it seems like Greece was a heavy welfare state. I'm not surprised Greece is in so much debt.

[ansauri]

Greek politicians can be bad as fuck as you want, but greeks are also part of this situation. 

- They have lived in a system where the average retirement is about 59 years and anticipated retirements can start at 52 years, in a world where people easily lives +80 years and start to work at an older age. You should accept it if you want your country to be fixed.

- Greece has the highest black economy of whole EU, 24%. You should start to pay the taxes, avoid any kind of bribery, work with legal contracts... so your goverment can have much more money and doesn't need to ask the EU and other countries to finance yours.

 

Also, the actual government, Syriza (who is in the power because you people have decided it), is as guilty as the previous governments. It has done nothing to reduce the military budget, which is the highest in terms of % of GDP in the whole EU, has done nothing to transform the tax heavens you have in the islands, and has returned the country to the recession, when Greece grew during the previous months (which help to reactivate the economy and to start to solve the problems).

 

Saying that, it's nice that someone is doing something, because the austerity imposed by the EU and Germany has resulted to be a bad solution, and very criticized from outside of Europe, turning countries much more poorer that they were, and those less guilty are the ones who suffer the most.

[Theo]

imho greece deserves to die in hell.

It's all their fault it went to shit and all this bullcrap is caused by themself, i won't give them any respect at all.

They just don't deserve it. Just let them go and die plz?

 

edit: they act like fanboys, they know they are wrong but they keep not admitting it.

It's like someone saying like "My 550 gets 180fps in AC: Unity" We all know it's a lie and we won't change his mind.

Greece is exacly the same, just leave them alone we won't change their mind and all the effort to change that is a waste of time and money.

 

Yeah you are clearly not in a position to criticize anything since you clearly have no idea of the situation. The amount of stupidity in your post shows exactly how ignorant people should not have any sort of political power or influence 

Greece can go bankrupt themselves, no one gives two shits about people who work <4 Hours a day.

Same thing as i wrote above 

[Fred Castellum]

If a system is doomed to failed then it should be allowed to fail, a fall back to save a failing plan only helps to increase the longevity of a doomed system.

[Notional]

The lack of educated participation in politics not for individual gain is painful to see. 

 

I think that goes for most countries, I'm afraid. When powerful people are too stupid to be useful in the private sector, they go into politics.

 

A nice theoretical argument to make but it kind of crashes when starving children and people who can't get basic healthcare come into the equations. Conventional economics is a form of brain damage.

 

Greece has always been a very socialist country, where the government was a glorified ATM, in the eyes of the people. The result is indeed that the poorest will suffer the most. That is what greed leads to, both in over socialist countries (like Greece), but also over capitalist countries (like the US).

 

Too much regulation is usually a bad thing, but too little regulation, is always a bad thing. It might be best to just let Greece to bankrupt. I think the Greek people underestimate what that would mean in praxis for them, but I'm not sure they can get back without it. Either way Greece needs an extreme amount of reformation, whether they want to or not. Since 2008, they've done almost nothing. They could have fixed all problems by now, if they had.